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2007-07-09 17:33:28
usmarine
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IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Why aren't the Irish rolling in?   Oh wait...

"Saudi Arabia, Ireland to Forge Alliances"
http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA … 0900070117

"FG Wilson generates a new £500,000 Saudi Arabia deal"
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busin … 265122.ece

"Terex Finlay wins new business in the UAE and Saudi Arabia"
http://www.ameinfo.com/108171.html
2007-07-09 17:34:05
Kmar
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Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

Well, its all the way people look at the religion, some say everybody should live in peace with each other, no matter what the religion is, because we are all creations of Allah, some people think that Islam should dominate the world, but the latter mentality is very rare, maybe 1-2 percent of the Islamic world, I will research into this and post it up later, as some things i am saying might be wrong. but the main thing is how the people think towards their religion.
It's funny, but it seems like this is the same conflict that Christianity went through a while back.

For a couple centuries, Christian forces did their best to conquer various cultures and convert the masses.  Islam went through a period of that as well.  Yet, this kind of mentality is very subdued among Christians today.  I wonder why the 1-2 % are so violent among Muslims....
Crusades?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-09 17:34:20
CDK3Y
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I for one am not violent... but i just hate it when i go to the US border to go to US, im 16 now, so i have to sign this alienation form, and report all my movement to the police. .... maybe cause im Muslim, or maybe cause im brown. i mean after 9/11 ppl killed Sikh's for gods sake, their not even muslim! prejudice is out and about. of course im nto saying everybody is like that, but there are people with some screws loose.
2007-07-09 17:35:21
Turquoise
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Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

Well, its all the way people look at the religion, some say everybody should live in peace with each other, no matter what the religion is, because we are all creations of Allah, some people think that Islam should dominate the world, but the latter mentality is very rare, maybe 1-2 percent of the Islamic world, I will research into this and post it up later, as some things i am saying might be wrong. but the main thing is how the people think towards their religion.
It's funny, but it seems like this is the same conflict that Christianity went through a while back.

For a couple centuries, Christian forces did their best to conquer various cultures and convert the masses.  Islam went through a period of that as well.  Yet, this kind of mentality is very subdued among Christians today.  I wonder why the 1-2 % are so violent among Muslims....
Crusades?
Well yeah, but again, the Crusades were a long time ago, so I don't see how that relates to modern Muslims.
2007-07-09 17:36:58
CDK3Y
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


It's funny, but it seems like this is the same conflict that Christianity went through a while back.

For a couple centuries, Christian forces did their best to conquer various cultures and convert the masses.  Islam went through a period of that as well.  Yet, this kind of mentality is very subdued among Christians today.  I wonder why the 1-2 % are so violent among Muslims....
Crusades?
Well yeah, but again, the Crusades were a long time ago, so I don't see how that relates to modern Muslims.
A human is a human, hes been the same for more than 2 millenniums, unless you believe in the evolution theory
2007-07-09 17:37:32
Turquoise
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CDK3Y wrote:

I for one am not violent... but i just hate it when i go to the US border to go to US, im 16 now, so i have to sign this alienation form, and report all my movement to the police. .... maybe cause im Muslim, or maybe cause im brown. i mean after 9/11 ppl killed Sikh's for gods sake, their not even muslim! prejudice is out and about. of course im nto saying everybody is like that, but there are people with some screws loose.
*nods*  I agree.  It's sad...  but then again, I'd say America's response is a lot more lenient than if the reverse happened.  You can imagine what would happen if there were several white Christian extremists blowing up buildings in Saudi Arabia.  I have a feeling your government and society would react a bit more harshly.
2007-07-09 17:38:55
Turquoise
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CDK3Y wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Crusades?
Well yeah, but again, the Crusades were a long time ago, so I don't see how that relates to modern Muslims.
A human is a human, hes been the same for more than 2 millenniums, unless you believe in the evolution theory
Well, evolution has more to do with genes than mindset.  You don't believe in Darwinian evolution?
2007-07-09 17:39:16
CDK3Y
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well im not Saudi, im Paki...but yea...we'd propably be burning flags by now and chanting slogans...

Last edited by CDK3Y (2007-07-09 17:39:30)

2007-07-09 17:39:23
Kmar
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


It's funny, but it seems like this is the same conflict that Christianity went through a while back.

For a couple centuries, Christian forces did their best to conquer various cultures and convert the masses.  Islam went through a period of that as well.  Yet, this kind of mentality is very subdued among Christians today.  I wonder why the 1-2 % are so violent among Muslims....
Crusades?
Well yeah, but again, the Crusades were a long time ago, so I don't see how that relates to modern Muslims.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-09 17:41:26
CDK3Y
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Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well yeah, but again, the Crusades were a long time ago, so I don't see how that relates to modern Muslims.
A human is a human, hes been the same for more than 2 millenniums, unless you believe in the evolution theory
Well, evolution has more to do with genes than mindset.  You don't believe in Darwinian evolution?
no sir i dont, its in my faith, and im very faithful...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them. unless somebody screwed a monkey in the middle
2007-07-09 17:41:58
Turquoise
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CDK3Y wrote:

well im not Saudi, im Paki...but yea...we'd propably be burning flags by now and chanting slogans...
*nods*  Well, I hope you haven't taken anything I've said about Pakistan personally, but I really fear for what may happen if Musharraf falls.

What's your take on it?
2007-07-09 17:43:48
usmarine
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CDK3Y wrote:

...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them.
Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
2007-07-09 17:44:27
Turquoise
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CDK3Y wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:


A human is a human, hes been the same for more than 2 millenniums, unless you believe in the evolution theory
Well, evolution has more to do with genes than mindset.  You don't believe in Darwinian evolution?
no sir i dont, its in my faith, and im very faithful...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them. unless somebody screwed a monkey in the middle
Well, I'm atheist, but I've always thought that the creation story was metaphorical, not literal.  I mean, if God (or Allah, etc.) had tried to explain evolution to people in ancient times, He would have lost them completely.

You can imagine the look that would have been on Moses's face after the conversation...  "What the hell?"   LOL
2007-07-09 17:45:17
CDK3Y
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Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

well im not Saudi, im Paki...but yea...we'd propably be burning flags by now and chanting slogans...
*nods*  Well, I hope you haven't taken anything I've said about Pakistan personally, but I really fear for what may happen if Musharraf falls.

What's your take on it?
Well Musharraf, he did some good for Pak, and he did some bad, mostly bad, he is a dictator, but because of him, our previous corrupt govt. has fallen. the govt. backed MQM had riots in Karachi and killed a whole bunch of ppl..since then I dislike him. I like him some way, because he led us in the Kargil war of 1999 and we achived some success, that man has dedicated his life to my country, plus because of him ,extremism is being stopped. unlike the older days, when the Taliban were supported by our govt.

Not at all, i keep an open mind

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2007-07-09 17:46:44
oug
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Turquoise wrote:

Note that another key difference between Al Quida and the Shiite insurgents is that the Shiites just want Western forces to leave Iraq.  They have no interest in flying over here to attack us on our own soil.  Al Quida is interested in attacking various nations and goes to the trouble of making attacks inside these countries.
I just happened to see an old Bin Laden video the other day. Quoting the Greek translation, he said: "For America, only a few words: You will never feel safe as long as you keep meddling with Palestine, and as long as you keep forces in Arab lands."

So maybe it is true that Al Quaeda goes to the trouble of taking the fight to the western world, but their demands seem to match those of the Shiites in the sense that they want nothing more than to be left alone. I don't know if anything has changed ever since, but in that statement and at that point in time, Bin Laden seemed satisfied with that. Of course he talks about the Arab world and Palestine, which is much more than just Iraq, but still.
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2007-07-09 17:48:58
CDK3Y
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usmarine2005 wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them.
Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
Well Allah after time created everything, animals, land etc. so over thousands upon thousands of years, slight changes have occured due to the genetics of man, Bengali's have great hair, because they eat alot of fish, brown people are brown because of our location on the planet, it all is interlinked... you had me there for a second.
2007-07-09 17:49:25
Turquoise
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oug wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Note that another key difference between Al Quida and the Shiite insurgents is that the Shiites just want Western forces to leave Iraq.  They have no interest in flying over here to attack us on our own soil.  Al Quida is interested in attacking various nations and goes to the trouble of making attacks inside these countries.
I just happened to see an old Bin Laden video the other day. Quoting the Greek translation, he said: "For America, only a few words: You will never feel safe as long as you keep meddling with Palestine, and as long as you keep forces in Arab lands."

So maybe it is true that Al Quaeda goes to the trouble of taking the fight to the western world, but their demands seem to match those of the Shiites in the sense that they want nothing more than to be left alone. I don't know if anything has changed ever since, but in that statement and at that point in time, Bin Laden seemed satisfied with that. Of course he talks about the Arab world and Palestine, which is much more than just Iraq, but still.
True...  I see similarities there, but I think it's better to be on the safe side and kill groups like Al Quida.  At least Muqtada can be reasoned with.
2007-07-09 17:50:05
CDK3Y
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oug wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Note that another key difference between Al Quida and the Shiite insurgents is that the Shiites just want Western forces to leave Iraq.  They have no interest in flying over here to attack us on our own soil.  Al Quida is interested in attacking various nations and goes to the trouble of making attacks inside these countries.
I just happened to see an old Bin Laden video the other day. Quoting the Greek translation, he said: "For America, only a few words: You will never feel safe as long as you keep meddling with Palestine, and as long as you keep forces in Arab lands."

So maybe it is true that Al Quaeda goes to the trouble of taking the fight to the western world, but their demands seem to match those of the Shiites in the sense that they want nothing more than to be left alone. I don't know if anything has changed ever since, but in that statement and at that point in time, Bin Laden seemed satisfied with that. Of course he talks about the Arab world and Palestine, which is much more than just Iraq, but still.
oh yea... US had bases in Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war, OBL counted this as a CRUSADER FORCE on HOLY LAND! thats where things got messed
2007-07-09 17:51:13
Turquoise
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CDK3Y wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them.
Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
Well Allah after time created everything, animals, land etc. so over thousands upon thousands of years, slight changes have occured due to the genetics of man, Bengali's have great hair, because they eat alot of fish, brown people are brown because of our location on the planet, it all is interlinked... you had me there for a second.
So, you do believe in genetics and evolutionary changes, just not the primate part?
2007-07-09 17:53:32
CDK3Y
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Turquoise wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
Well Allah after time created everything, animals, land etc. so over thousands upon thousands of years, slight changes have occured due to the genetics of man, Bengali's have great hair, because they eat alot of fish, brown people are brown because of our location on the planet, it all is interlinked... you had me there for a second.
So, you do believe in genetics and evolutionary changes, just not the primate part?
I guess so *scratches head*, i mean my whole family is brown, and i came out white, some genetics which gooo waayyy back, half my ancestors come from India, the other from Afghanistan, i wouldnt say evolutionary, because it ties into the whole darwin theory.

Last edited by CDK3Y (2007-07-09 17:54:07)

2007-07-09 17:56:15
Turquoise
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I guess my point is...  evolution and faith aren't necessarily in contradiction with each other...  It's all a matter of interpretation.

I figure if I was religious, I'd see science as discovering God's laws.
2007-07-09 17:56:23
Kmar
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CDK3Y wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

...Adam and Eve, werent monkeys or apes, we all are descendants of them.
Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
Well Allah after time created everything, animals, land etc. so over thousands upon thousands of years, slight changes have occured due to the genetics of man, Bengali's have great hair, because they eat alot of fish, brown people are brown because of our location on the planet, it all is interlinked... you had me there for a second.
What about the caruncle in the Human eye (that little reddish-pink fleshy substance on the inside corner of your eye). It is left overs from the  the reptilian eye. Reptiles have to see in fresh water (which can be irritating when it interacts with the salts in our body), a clear lid covers their eyes. Since humans don't need that flap to live in air, we lost it through evolution, and it became the remnant that we have today.

Yikes.. going off topic
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-09 17:59:10
Turquoise
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I'll start a new topic for evolution...  Everyone is welcome to join me...
2007-07-09 18:00:15
CDK3Y
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Kmarion wrote:

CDK3Y wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Is that right?  Where did Chinese people come from?  How about blacks?  Mexicans?
Well Allah after time created everything, animals, land etc. so over thousands upon thousands of years, slight changes have occured due to the genetics of man, Bengali's have great hair, because they eat alot of fish, brown people are brown because of our location on the planet, it all is interlinked... you had me there for a second.
What about the caruncle in the Human eye (that little reddish-pink fleshy substance on the inside corner of your eye). It is left overs from the  the reptilian eye. Reptiles have to see in fresh water (which can be irritating when it interacts with the salts in our body), a clear lid covers their eyes. Since humans don't need that flap to live in air, we lost it through evolution, and it became the remnant that we have today.

Yikes.. going off topic
hmm thats interesting, i never knew about that. Or maybe God didnt make us to live under the sea... what if we go swimming with our eyes open? does it help?
yes i am also noticing that this topic is sliding away from its main purpose
2007-07-09 18:06:58
CDK3Y
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Turquoise wrote:

I'll start a new topic for evolution...  Everyone is welcome to join me...
maybe next time man, i got a summer school test tomorrow..need to study:(

 

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