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2007-07-10 04:33:43
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina
Pakistani troops have stormed a radical mosque in Islamabad after talks with hard-line Islamists inside failed.  The army says up to 50 militants and eight soldiers were killed, and about 50 women and children rescued.

Reading about what happened in Pakistan, and knowing what's going on everyday in the ME, the World should find the way to fight religious extremism.  But how do you do that without affecting the lives of normal people?  How do you fight 'em when they hide among the civilians?  Some days ago CameronPoe suggested a solution to religion-based terrorism, "making it mandatory for any member of any institution of worship to register and sign in whenever they attend a service/ceremony and that all places of worship be bugged, the speeches made therein being examined on a daily basis by the local police authorities".  The problem with this proposal is that you would be violating the rights and civil liberties of millions just to control the activities of a few.  We can't affect the lives of normal people based on suspicion, violating their right to freedom of speech and free church.

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
2007-07-10 04:41:34
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6837|The Gem Saloon
i have thought about this for awhile now, and despite losing a lot of rights, there are solutions.




Islamic Extremist=Dead

the people that are fighting them need to get together and pool resources, really truly share intelligence, and literally drop an electronic net over the majority of the planet. its not that far off from data-mining if you think about it.
now the question is what to do with the intel once obtained?
Israels route usually involves an attack chopper, a few dead terrorists, and who knows how many dead civilians.....which the point of this thread, is to think of a different way.


i say we go to the muslims that are not supporting these radicals. the ones that know the extremists are making an entire religion look bad by the actions of a few. train them, equip them, provide them with the intel and let them walk into their house, or see them on the street, or get them through their bedroom window.......there are many options, but i hope you see where im going.
2007-07-10 04:57:50
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

Parker wrote:

i have thought about this for awhile now, and despite losing a lot of rights, there are solutions.




Islamic Extremist=Dead

the people that are fighting them need to get together and pool resources, really truly share intelligence, and literally drop an electronic net over the majority of the planet. its not that far off from data-mining if you think about it.
now the question is what to do with the intel once obtained?
Israels route usually involves an attack chopper, a few dead terrorists, and who knows how many dead civilians.....which the point of this thread, is to think of a different way.


i say we go to the muslims that are not supporting these radicals. the ones that know the extremists are making an entire religion look bad by the actions of a few. train them, equip them, provide them with the intel and let them walk into their house, or see them on the street, or get them through their bedroom window.......there are many options, but i hope you see where im going.
I think intelligence reports are the key to fight these people.  But what I don't see happening is innocent Muslims helping to catch these assholes.  And not because they support the extremists, but because of the consequences.  If someone from the CIA asked you to work for them controlling the activities of extremists in your home city, would you do it?  Remember, they are extremists.
2007-07-10 05:08:31
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

sergeriver wrote:

Pakistani troops have stormed a radical mosque in Islamabad after talks with hard-line Islamists inside failed.  The army says up to 50 militants and eight soldiers were killed, and about 50 women and children rescued.

Reading about what happened in Pakistan, and knowing what's going on everyday in the ME, the World should find the way to fight religious extremism.  But how do you do that without affecting the lives of normal people?  How do you fight 'em when they hide among the civilians?  Some days ago CameronPoe suggested a solution to religion-based terrorism, "making it mandatory for any member of any institution of worship to register and sign in whenever they attend a service/ceremony and that all places of worship be bugged, the speeches made therein being examined on a daily basis by the local police authorities".  The problem with this proposal is that you would be violating the rights and civil liberties of millions just to control the activities of a few.  We can't affect the lives of normal people based on suspicion, violating their right to freedom of speech and free church.

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
Very good question serge, I think the answer is simply no. The way these groups conduct themselves is for that very reason. They hide amoungst the masses, so when they strike it is a surprise attack and innocent people get killed and when you hit them you kill innocent people. Either way they win until the "normal people" realize what we are up against and do away with all of the bullshit PC and go in and get these groups at the cost of, yes some freedoms and sacrifices for now.

Again excellent question buddy. +1
2007-07-10 05:09:48
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6734|Éire
We need more of this kind of action from within the Muslim community otherwise it will continually be perceived as an 'us against them' battle...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6275772.stm
2007-07-10 05:13:54
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pakistani troops have stormed a radical mosque in Islamabad after talks with hard-line Islamists inside failed.  The army says up to 50 militants and eight soldiers were killed, and about 50 women and children rescued.

Reading about what happened in Pakistan, and knowing what's going on everyday in the ME, the World should find the way to fight religious extremism.  But how do you do that without affecting the lives of normal people?  How do you fight 'em when they hide among the civilians?  Some days ago CameronPoe suggested a solution to religion-based terrorism, "making it mandatory for any member of any institution of worship to register and sign in whenever they attend a service/ceremony and that all places of worship be bugged, the speeches made therein being examined on a daily basis by the local police authorities".  The problem with this proposal is that you would be violating the rights and civil liberties of millions just to control the activities of a few.  We can't affect the lives of normal people based on suspicion, violating their right to freedom of speech and free church.

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
Very good question serge, I think the answer is simply no. The way these groups conduct themselves is for that very reason. They hide amoungst the masses, so when they strike it is a surprise attack and innocent people get killed and when you hit them you kill innocent people. Either way they win until the "normal people" realize what we are up against and do away with all of the bullshit PC and go in and get these groups at the cost of, yes some freedoms and sacrifices for now.

Again excellent question buddy. +1
I really don't know what the solution is.  What I don't like, and you may call it PC, is innocent people getting killed and the violation of personal rights and liberties.  Maybe there isn't a solution that doesn't involve those things.  I asked coz I really don't know how to deal with these assholes.  I agree with you, that something must be done. 

I hope you are doing well buddy, take care and come back in one piece.
2007-07-10 05:18:00
Machine_Madness
Madness has now come over me
+20|6880|Brisbane, Australia
get rid of all religion.

You may not realise, but most wars are started by it. Im probably going to be flammed for this but if you think about it...
Just think if religion was never heard of, many wars would not have occured.

P.S. im a Atheist
2007-07-10 05:18:46
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

Braddock wrote:

We need more of this kind of action from within the Muslim community otherwise it will continually be perceived as an 'us against them' battle...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6275772.stm
That helps, but only to make it clear that most Muslims are not extremists.  But the main problem remains unsolved.  While these moderate Muslims show the World they are against extremists, these extremists continue with their activities caring little or nothing about this kind of attitude condemning their actions.
2007-07-10 05:22:46
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

Machine_Madness wrote:

get rid of all religion.

You may not realise, but most wars are started by it. Im probably going to be flammed for this but if you think about it...
Just think if religion was never heard of, many wars would not have occured.

P.S. im a Atheist
I don't belong to any Religion and in fact I don't give a fuck for them, but I do give a fuck for other people's beliefs, and I think we all must respect them.  That's the issue here, how to deal with these assholes, without affecting billions and one of the most important things in their lives such as Religion.
2007-07-10 05:24:28
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pakistani troops have stormed a radical mosque in Islamabad after talks with hard-line Islamists inside failed.  The army says up to 50 militants and eight soldiers were killed, and about 50 women and children rescued.

Reading about what happened in Pakistan, and knowing what's going on everyday in the ME, the World should find the way to fight religious extremism.  But how do you do that without affecting the lives of normal people?  How do you fight 'em when they hide among the civilians?  Some days ago CameronPoe suggested a solution to religion-based terrorism, "making it mandatory for any member of any institution of worship to register and sign in whenever they attend a service/ceremony and that all places of worship be bugged, the speeches made therein being examined on a daily basis by the local police authorities".  The problem with this proposal is that you would be violating the rights and civil liberties of millions just to control the activities of a few.  We can't affect the lives of normal people based on suspicion, violating their right to freedom of speech and free church.

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
Very good question serge, I think the answer is simply no. The way these groups conduct themselves is for that very reason. They hide amoungst the masses, so when they strike it is a surprise attack and innocent people get killed and when you hit them you kill innocent people. Either way they win until the "normal people" realize what we are up against and do away with all of the bullshit PC and go in and get these groups at the cost of, yes some freedoms and sacrifices for now.

Again excellent question buddy. +1
I really don't know what the solution is.  What I don't like, and you may call it PC, is innocent people getting killed and the violation of personal rights and liberties.  Maybe there isn't a solution that doesn't involve those things.  I asked coz I really don't know how to deal with these assholes.  I agree with you, that something must be done. 

I hope you are doing well buddy, take care and come back in one piece.
Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but I am safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-10 05:32:31)

2007-07-10 05:30:57
twiistaaa
Member
+87|7112|mexico

Parker wrote:

i say we go to the muslims that are not supporting these radicals. the ones that know the extremists are making an entire religion look bad by the actions of a few. train them, equip them, provide them with the intel and let them walk into their house, or see them on the street, or get them through their bedroom window.......there are many options, but i hope you see where im going.
lol they arent airport security dogs.
2007-07-10 05:33:41
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Very good question serge, I think the answer is simply no. The way these groups conduct themselves is for that very reason. They hide amoungst the masses, so when they strike it is a surprise attack and innocent people get killed and when you hit them you kill innocent people. Either way they win until the "normal people" realize what we are up against and do away with all of the bullshit PC and go in and get these groups at the cost of, yes some freedoms and sacrifices for now.

Again excellent question buddy. +1
I really don't know what the solution is.  What I don't like, and you may call it PC, is innocent people getting killed and the violation of personal rights and liberties.  Maybe there isn't a solution that doesn't involve those things.  I asked coz I really don't know how to deal with these assholes.  I agree with you, that something must be done. 

I hope you are doing well buddy, take care and come back in one piece.
Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but aI m safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.
I agree, something should be done, but we should avoid acting like animals like these extremists or Israel do.  Last night I was watching this documentary on Discovery Channel about the new generation of missiles.  Man, these weapons are more intelligent than any of us.  I was impressed by their effectiveness, hitting a target from 80 miles whitout destroying the building next door.  I know the US is working on these kind of weapons with many contractors, and maybe they could help to eliminate these fuckers without collateral damage.  When fighting these cowards that hide among the civilians, these weapons are very useful.  Israel could take all the precautions to avoid hurting civilians but they don't give a fuck for them.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-07-10 05:40:24)

2007-07-10 05:42:22
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


I really don't know what the solution is.  What I don't like, and you may call it PC, is innocent people getting killed and the violation of personal rights and liberties.  Maybe there isn't a solution that doesn't involve those things.  I asked coz I really don't know how to deal with these assholes.  I agree with you, that something must be done. 

I hope you are doing well buddy, take care and come back in one piece.
Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but aI m safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.
I agree, something should be done, but we should avoid acting like animals like these extremists or Israel do.  Last night I was watching this documentary on Discovery Channel about the new generation of missiles.  Man, these weapons are more intelligent than any of us.  I was impressed by their effectiveness, hitting a target from 80 miles whitout destroying the building next door.  I know the US is working in these kind of weapons with many contractors, and maybe they could help to eliminate these fuckers without collateral damage.  When fighting these cowards that hide among the civilians, these weapons are very useful.  Israel could take all the precautions to avoid hurting civilians but they don't give a fuck for them.
civilian deaths are inevitable in this conflict regardless of technology, what is needed is some latitude from the "normal people" in recognizing that and accepting it. It would also help if they would actually consider the alternatives to giving up a little freedom temporarily and stop bitching about how inconvenient this war is to their lives. There are a lot of people in this struggle that give up more than a standing in a long line at the airport. It is time to start backing these folks and stop the squabbling over getting your feelings hurt because TSA chose to search your carry on bag.
2007-07-10 05:47:19
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

lowing wrote:

civilian deaths are inevitable in this conflict regardless of technology, what is needed is some latitude from the "normal people" in recognizing that and accepting it. It would also help if they would actually consider the alternatives to giving up a little freedom temporarily and stop bitching about how inconvenient this war is to their lives. There are a lot of people in this struggle that give up more than a standing in a long line at the airport. It is time to start backing these folks and stop the squabbling over getting your feelings hurt because TSA chose to search your carry on bag.
Civilian deaths should be minimized.  But, regarding the civil liberties, who decides which ones are taken?
2007-07-10 06:04:30
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6999

lowing wrote:

Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but I am safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.
You're talking as if you're from Pakistan lowing. The US does not have an islamic extremism problem.
2007-07-10 06:09:52
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but I am safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.
You're talking as if you're from Pakistan lowing. The US does not have an islamic extremism problem.
I disagree, I think the whole western world has an islamic extremist problem. By the way I hope you are doing well also Cam.
2007-07-10 06:18:06
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

civilian deaths are inevitable in this conflict regardless of technology, what is needed is some latitude from the "normal people" in recognizing that and accepting it. It would also help if they would actually consider the alternatives to giving up a little freedom temporarily and stop bitching about how inconvenient this war is to their lives. There are a lot of people in this struggle that give up more than a standing in a long line at the airport. It is time to start backing these folks and stop the squabbling over getting your feelings hurt because TSA chose to search your carry on bag.
Civilian deaths should be minimized.  But, regarding the civil liberties, who decides which ones are taken?
Civil deaths absolutly should be minimized as much as possible.

As for who decides the liberties to be taken temporarily, the truth is, the islamic extremists do. We have to continually adapt to the ever changing tactics used by these groups, and not allow ourselves be tied up by the things we hold  precious. Again I do not admit these things lightly, I am all for personal freedoms, but it is the times of which we live for now. and  winning this will cost all of us, losing will cost us more

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-10 06:21:02)

2007-07-10 06:18:56
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well you know my position on civil liberties but we are dealing with a group of people that has us pinned down by our own morality and value for life and the quality of it. It is a hold that we will only break by taking the kid gloves off and getting in the mud with them. You will never win a game against a cheater by following the rules. It is time to end the PC and the fear of hurting someones feelings and go in and getting these people.

Thx, kinda crazy over here but I am safe as can be expected and plan on remaining so.
You're talking as if you're from Pakistan lowing. The US does not have an islamic extremism problem.
I disagree, I think the whole western world has an islamic extremist problem. By the way I hope you are doing well also Cam.
If the West has an extremist problem, imagine the Middle East.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-07-10 06:19:26)

2007-07-10 06:22:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7095|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

You're talking as if you're from Pakistan lowing. The US does not have an islamic extremism problem.
I disagree, I think the whole western world has an islamic extremist problem. By the way I hope you are doing well also Cam.
If the West has an extremist problem, imagine the Middle East.
LOL, I don't have to imagine it. It gets lobbed into our compound almost every day.

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-10 06:33:37)

2007-07-10 09:44:58
san4
The Mas
+311|7132|NYC, a place to live

sergeriver wrote:

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
This question is misconceived because, in the long run, the war is not a war. Killing terrorists will not get rid of terrorists. Israel has proved that. (I am not knowledgeable about Northern Ireland, but perhaps England also proved that violence against 'terrorists' didn't end the violence there?) There are weapons and violence in prisons, where civil rights are minimal. The problem isn't the existing terrorists, the problem is the source of new terrorists.

The key to stopping terrorism--and religious extremism--is solving the root problem that causes people to become terrorists and religious extremists.  Kids who join radical groups know they will receive basic necessities (e.g., food) and will be respected. They will feel like they are actively opposing oppression, that their lives have a purpose.

I don't know what the root problem is that is causing Muslim extremists of hate the West and to attack Western targets, but that is the question that must be solved. The key point I'm making is that, in the long run, violence and repression will not win the war because it is not a war.
2007-07-10 10:04:33
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

san4 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
This question is misconceived because, in the long run, the war is not a war. Killing terrorists will not get rid of terrorists. Israel has proved that. (I am not knowledgeable about Northern Ireland, but perhaps England also proved that violence against 'terrorists' didn't end the violence there?) There are weapons and violence in prisons, where civil rights are minimal. The problem isn't the existing terrorists, the problem is the source of new terrorists.

The key to stopping terrorism--and religious extremism--is solving the root problem that causes people to become terrorists and religious extremists.  Kids who join radical groups know they will receive basic necessities (e.g., food) and will be respected. They will feel like they are actively opposing oppression, that their lives have a purpose.

I don't know what the root problem is that is causing Muslim extremists of hate the West and to attack Western targets, but that is the question that must be solved. The key point I'm making is that, in the long run, violence and repression will not win the war because it is not a war.
So, are you saying that all the "War on terror" thing was a marketing campaign made by GWB administration?  I can't believe it.
2007-07-10 10:08:06
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7205

You can't.
2007-07-10 10:13:39
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6623

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pakistani troops have stormed a radical mosque in Islamabad after talks with hard-line Islamists inside failed.  The army says up to 50 militants and eight soldiers were killed, and about 50 women and children rescued.

Reading about what happened in Pakistan, and knowing what's going on everyday in the ME, the World should find the way to fight religious extremism.  But how do you do that without affecting the lives of normal people?  How do you fight 'em when they hide among the civilians?  Some days ago CameronPoe suggested a solution to religion-based terrorism, "making it mandatory for any member of any institution of worship to register and sign in whenever they attend a service/ceremony and that all places of worship be bugged, the speeches made therein being examined on a daily basis by the local police authorities".  The problem with this proposal is that you would be violating the rights and civil liberties of millions just to control the activities of a few.  We can't affect the lives of normal people based on suspicion, violating their right to freedom of speech and free church.

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
Very good question serge, I think the answer is simply no. The way these groups conduct themselves is for that very reason. They hide amoungst the masses, so when they strike it is a surprise attack and innocent people get killed and when you hit them you kill innocent people. Either way they win until the "normal people" realize what we are up against and do away with all of the bullshit PC and go in and get these groups at the cost of, yes some freedoms and sacrifices for now.

Again excellent question buddy. +1
I really don't know what the solution is.  What I don't like, and you may call it PC, is innocent people getting killed and the violation of personal rights and liberties.  Maybe there isn't a solution that doesn't involve those things.  I asked coz I really don't know how to deal with these assholes.  I agree with you, that something must be done. 

I hope you are doing well buddy, take care and come back in one piece.
Yes innocence may be lost but do we sit around and let them continue to kill innocence day in and day out? Look at what is going on in Dar-fur and other places where the international community is sitting on its hands. While we sit and wonder about what to do....innocent people ARE being used and killed by these extremists. We may have to take a lesser of two evils approach and take action. Yes, innonence may be lost because of our action but I do believe it would be far less than letting extremists continue to kill and maim on a daily basis while most countries do nothing.
2007-07-10 11:11:28
san4
The Mas
+311|7132|NYC, a place to live

sergeriver wrote:

san4 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

What do you think?  Is it possible to fight these extremists without affecting innocent people lives?  Can this war be conducted without stereotyping and prejudice?  Will this war against extremists change the way people express their faith?  Are Religions losing adherents because of this?
This question is misconceived because, in the long run, the war is not a war. Killing terrorists will not get rid of terrorists. Israel has proved that. (I am not knowledgeable about Northern Ireland, but perhaps England also proved that violence against 'terrorists' didn't end the violence there?) There are weapons and violence in prisons, where civil rights are minimal. The problem isn't the existing terrorists, the problem is the source of new terrorists.

The key to stopping terrorism--and religious extremism--is solving the root problem that causes people to become terrorists and religious extremists.  Kids who join radical groups know they will receive basic necessities (e.g., food) and will be respected. They will feel like they are actively opposing oppression, that their lives have a purpose.

I don't know what the root problem is that is causing Muslim extremists of hate the West and to attack Western targets, but that is the question that must be solved. The key point I'm making is that, in the long run, violence and repression will not win the war because it is not a war.
So, are you saying that all the "War on terror" thing was a marketing campaign made by GWB administration?  I can't believe it.
It's not just a marketing campaign, the "war on terror" is another incompetent Bush Administration strategy. If every terrorist and religious extremist in the world disappeared tomorrow, there would still be a terrorism/religious extremism problem. A new generation would just take the place of the old one. It has been happening in the occupied territories for years now. Israel's assassination of Hamas leaders has not made Hamas go away, and it's not because there were civilian casualties in the process. There's a much deeper cause that Israeli violence doesn't address.

Don't get me wrong, in the short run, existing terrorists have to be stopped. Collecting intelligence is extremely critical to stopping attacks, and people who plan and support attacks have to be restrained, dead or alive. My point is that, in the long run, stopping today's terrorists will not stop the continuing creation of new terrorists and religious extremists.

 

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