BF2S Forums Why the double standards with Islam

usmarine2005 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

You don`t want him in your clan ?

My clan?

I think he means your klan.

Major_Spittle wrote:

Why can people on the forum post that Christians/Jews are stupid/dangerous/evil .......  but when I said " You try to live next to a bunch of Islamic sand monkeys ",  in reference to Israel trying to live next to Palestine which is run by Hamas, I get threatened with a ban for being " racist ".  Then I get called all sorts of other names (bigot, prejudice, bias) yet the people who criticize Jew/Catholics/Mormons seem to not get called this or threatened.

Ummm....

You don't see "Islamic sand monkeys" as being a racist slur? It clearly is, and it's nothing to do with the Islamic part. It's the sand monkeys bit that is racist. If you can't see that, then you must have more ingrained racist tendencies than either you realise, or are ready to admit.

Major_Spittle wrote:

What if I said "you try to live next to a bunch of Nazi goat yodelers" in 1939 in reference to the Nazis attacking European countries?  Is this racist?  Prejudice? Bias?

Yes. It is. Though since it is less controversial it creates less of an impact and is less likely to upset people.

Major_Spittle wrote:

I do feel the teachings of Mohammad is evil.

Care to explain why?

I'm no fan of any religion, but I'd struggle to find anything more evil either in Islams teachings or history that compares badly to mainly other mainstream religions, most notably Christianity.

Major_Spittle wrote:

I will call terrorists firing rockets from behind a wall into residential areas many things to illustrate how stupid and primitive they are.  Hamas is an Islamic terrorist organization, Islam is a religious belief system and Muslims are people that practice Islam and neither are much different than the Nazi party.

Hamas is an Islamic political entity, recognised by a very few countries as being a terrorist organisation, but for the sake of argument we will use that definition. Hamas is by no means a mouthpiece for the teachings of Islam. If you had more sense, or more understanding of the situations you may realise that.

I don't follow your somewhat warped leap from Islam being a religious belief system and Muslims are people who practice Islam, to them both being similar to Nazis. I defy you to prove that statement.

Major_Spittle wrote:

And both practice violence and hate toward ANYONE that doesn't share their belief system.  If not, explain this:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (the devote follower of Islam and leader of Iran) Quotes:
Oct. 2006
"The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive."
May 2006
Israel is "a regime based on evil that cannot continue and one day will vanish."
April 2006
"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
April 2006
"We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries."
Dec. 2005
"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred... If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel... Why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"
Oct. 2005
"Israel must be wiped off the map... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world."

I don't see any problem with the majority of those statements. The Zionist regime have behaved deplorably over the past century and should be held accountable for their crimes. There is a very clear and defined difference between Jews and Zionists and being critical of Zionists need have no connection to anti-semetism.

The only big thing said above that I disagree with is "They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred", holocaust denial is not a nice thing, though your quote does go on to make a very good point, "If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel... Why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?" - a sentiment I think makes a lot of sense.

I don't agree that the fake regime of Israel should not be allowed to exist, but I do believe in a single state solution for the region of Israel/Palestine. Though practically a two state solution is a more likely route to peace, however sickening it is to endorse a racist solution involving an apatheid situation.
"We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries."

All of these statements have been the views of individuals. Your interpretation of them as representative of all Muslims is indicative of your unfamiliarity with Muslims and their culture and your paranoid intolerance. I do know lots of Muslims, that is not a typical attitude for them. You might as well take the views of the Westboro Baptist Church as being representative of Christianity.

Major_Spittle wrote:

Iraq fired Scud Missiles at Israel during the first Gulf War.  I suppose this had nothing to do with religion either.

All of the Warring in the ME between Sunni and Shite.

All the terrorist organizations that kill people in the name of Islam while quoting the Qua ran.

The virtual vacuum non Islamic religions in Islamic countries.

The treatment of Women and non Muslims in Islamic countries.

Why Muslims haven't policed and brought to justice the supposed minority belonging to "radical and violent" hate groups in their religion?

Because it is not the role of those who practice a religion to police their fellow practitioners. That is a role for law enforcement agencies. Encouraging vigilantism amongst Muslim communities would only make matters worse. That is a really stupid thing to even suggest.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-05-20 09:49:48)

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

My clan?

I think he means your klan.

If he does mean that......he can go fuck himself with baseball bat.

I`m not into your type of sex usmarine, sorry

usmarine2005 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

If he does mean that......he can go fuck himself with baseball bat.

I`m not into your type of sex usmarine, sorry

Are you saying I am in the Klan or something?

Sorry i'm lost here.

What "Klan" are we talking about here?

usmarine2005 wrote:

jord wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Are you saying I am in the Klan or something?

Sorry i'm lost here.

What "Klan" are we talking about here?

Trying to figure out what he is talking about also...

The right wing clan - i never mentioned any klan, the other guy did - funny though how you thought i was prolly referring to kkk cause that was your thought right ?

Have fun with your bat tonight, but please use some lube, you don`t want splinters up your toight <censored>

The double standards exist mainly in europe where the atheists cannot see the danger islam poses to them, and homosexuals and many other freedoms they currently hold dear.

David.Podedworny wrote:

m3thod wrote:

David.Podedworny wrote:

Commie

Soviet Style Leaning....

More attention to detail pody

I hate the soviets, I hate people who protest their own war vets, And most of all i hate people that cant stand up and fight for themselves and side with the enemy against those who are trying to help them.

Enemy?  You do realise more people on earth percieve the US as the enemy than vice versa?

Ii got 1.2 billion (give or take) of em that wouldn't piss on you even if you were on fire.

m3thod wrote:

Christian Fundamentalism = Bush
Islamic Fundamentalism = Iraq

FOX should be blown up.

At least Bush doesn't send children to blow themselves up next to enemy children in Iraq. You blow (things way out of perspective).

Enough said...

Could I suggest this thread be closed now that the Splittlemeister has been banned?

m3thod wrote:

A golden rule of debating: Never EVER start an argument with "At least" it's childish.

And of course attack the idea and not the person. I was also taught not to use never or always.