Poll

Would Islamic terror exist if there was no oil in the middle east?

Yes54%54% - 45
No38%38% - 32
*Runs behind couch cowering*7%7% - 6
Total: 83
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7024|SE London

I reckon so.

Israel would still exist in it's present form and be backed by the US, proxy wars between the US and USSR would probably still have been fought there - ultimately setting in motion the chain of events that led to the creation of Al Qaeda.

That's two major grievances.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

Pug wrote:

Yes it would exist, because of the fundamentalist nature, but not "as we know it" because we'd care less and the resources would be lacking to stage violence
Pretty much...
geNius
..!.,
+144|6885|SoCal

Mong0ose wrote:

Mitch wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:


Christians believe in the Trinity. God in Christianity has three personalities, opposed to Allah who has one, that is why he is singular. Allah is just Allah, while God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Umm... I'm pretty certain your not right about the christian part... Christians believe on 1 god. He is 'God' thats his name. Then there Christ and stuff.. In christianity ive never heard of the trinity.... and in christianity ive never heard anything about 3 personalities.
please tell me u r joking
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RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6980|Chicago
It would, but it would be nowhere near as big a deal as it is now, and I can guarantee you if there was no oil there, the US would not be intervening.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6998

Bertster7 wrote:

I reckon so.

Israel would still exist in it's present form and be backed by the US, proxy wars between the US and USSR would probably still have been fought there - ultimately setting in motion the chain of events that led to the creation of Al Qaeda.

That's two major grievances.
I forgot about the Israel grievance. That's pretty much a deal breaker right there.
ReDevilJR
Member
+106|6794
No, it wouldn't, because the middle east would go undisturbed from the US. Terrorism wouldn't have been 'invented' in the '70's if there wasn't any wars over the 'holy ground.'

US would have no reasoning for being there at that point.

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-07-17 16:14:43)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7118|Canberra, AUS
Yes. We may be motivated by oil, but some nomad in moutain regions between Afghanistan and Taliban sure ain't.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

Is there a lot of oil in Thailand?

"Up to 10 percent of Thailand's 65 million people are Muslims, most of whom live in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat province where they are a majority. Muslims have long complained they are treated as second-class citizens in predominantly Buddhist Thailand.

Muslims accuse government forces of extrajudicial killings, but the government claims insurgents are killing residents from both communities to stir up the conflict."
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Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6991|San Diego, CA, USA
Its an ideology that we are fighting, extremist Islam.  Them having oil just makes it easier for them to do terrorism.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6962|Πάϊ

Harmor wrote:

Its an ideology that we are fighting, extremist Islam.  Them having oil just makes it easier for them to do terrorism.
...which is their ultimate goal of course, because they are bad people and want to destroy us good guys and eat our children.
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David.P
Banned
+649|6717
No to an extent. But they're still would be others maybe mexican nationals who are opposed to the US buying all their corn up? I dont know jsut throwing it out there.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6622
Let's put it another way:

Would Islamic terror exist if there was no rice in Asia?

Why do I say this...because many, many Asian countries are facing Islamic militants and terrorists. So what do you blame there....the American obsession with rice?  Or maybe the women? Seriously...the radical Islamic movement is global and growing regardless of what America is doing in the middle east!!!!  It is a growing war of Ideology...plain and simple. Oil has as much to do with it as rice does.

Last edited by DeathBecomesYu (2007-07-17 19:29:38)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|7094|USA

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Let's put it another way:

Would Islamic terror exist if there was no rice in Asia?

Why do I say this...because many, many Asian countries are facing Islamic militants and terrorists. So what do you blame there....the American obsession with rice?  Or maybe the women? Seriously...the radical Islamic movement is global and growing regardless of what America is doing in the middle east!!!!  It is a growing war of Ideology...plain and simple. Oil has as much to do with it as rice does.
I love this guy. Someone else who gets it!! Pass me a tissue, I think I am gunna cry.

+1 as soon as I reload buddy
PureFodder
Member
+225|6728
Without the oil money you'd end up with budget global terrorism. Blowing up cars in front of embassies would get replaced by setting off firecrackers under mopeds outside embassies. 9/11 would have involved hijacking Greyhound busses and driving them into the WTC.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6622

PureFodder wrote:

Without the oil money you'd end up with budget global terrorism. Blowing up cars in front of embassies would get replaced by setting off firecrackers under mopeds outside embassies. 9/11 would have involved hijacking Greyhound busses and driving them into the WTC.
?????????WHAT??????? Terrorists have to have oil money to kill? Most attacks are backpack, cars..etc. What does oil have to with that? Lost me on this one.
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|7067|Birmingham, UK

Kmarion wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

They were eternally in their debt, and when Muhammad (peace be upon him) managed to establish Islam as the religion of that area, they let the Jews and Christians etc. live there in peace -
Was that before or after the massacre of the Qurayza?
The Qurayza were traitors upon seeing the vast forces of Makkah at the Battle of the Trench. That's why most of the men were beheaded (apart from converts) & the women enslaved.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7118|Belgium

Harmor wrote:

Its an ideology that we are fighting, extremist Islam.  Them having oil just makes it easier for them to do terrorism.
I didn't know AQ had oilfields... Where are they located? Who are they selling their oil to? American companies? Can't we bomb them?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6998

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Let's put it another way:

Would Islamic terror exist if there was no rice in Asia?

Why do I say this...because many, many Asian countries are facing Islamic militants and terrorists. So what do you blame there....the American obsession with rice?  Or maybe the women? Seriously...the radical Islamic movement is global and growing regardless of what America is doing in the middle east!!!!  It is a growing war of Ideology...plain and simple. Oil has as much to do with it as rice does.
Good point. But can you explain why fundamentalist Islamic 'take over the world' terrorism is a relatively recent phenomenon? It was pretty much non-existent most of last century. Islam has been in existence for 1400 years.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-18 01:01:58)

Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7118|Belgium

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Let's put it another way:

Would Islamic terror exist if there was no rice in Asia?

Why do I say this...because many, many Asian countries are facing Islamic militants and terrorists. So what do you blame there....the American obsession with rice?  Or maybe the women? Seriously...the radical Islamic movement is global and growing regardless of what America is doing in the middle east!!!!  It is a growing war of Ideology...plain and simple. Oil has as much to do with it as rice does.
I agree with you, but then again, why are they targetting the Western world, especially the US? Maybe it's because the West (UK mostly in the past and US nowadays) keeps interfering with the ME, so these terrorist regard them as an enemy.  I don't see them targetting South American or African countries (they did atttack the Western representations in these countries but not the interests or assets of these countries).

Did they shout 'death to America' in the streets in the 50's? No. The hate for the US was and is the direct result of the American policy in the recent past (1960+), your unconditional backing up of Israel, your help of local regimes that only favor yourself (Iraq in the past, Saudi Arabia nowadays, etc.).
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6998

Pierre wrote:

I agree with you, but then again, why are they targetting the Western world, especially the US? Maybe it's because the West (UK mostly in the past and US nowadays) keeps interfering with the ME, so these terrorist regard them as an enemy.  I don't see them targetting South American or African countries (they did atttack the Western representations in these countries but not the interests or assets of these countries).

Did they shout 'death to America' in the streets in the 50's? No. The hate for the US was and is the direct result of the American policy in the recent past (1960+), your unconditional backing up of Israel, your help of local regimes that only favor yourself (Iraq in the past, Saudi Arabia nowadays, etc.).
Good points. Unfortunately a lot of westerners seem to have a selective memory and would prefer to imagine we have done nothing in the middle east over the last few decades/centuries to draw more than stern criticism.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-18 01:38:17)

Moo? Si!
Tall, Dark, Antlered
+39|6571|817---->907

geNius wrote:

Mong0ose wrote:

Mitch wrote:


Umm... I'm pretty certain your not right about the christian part... Christians believe on 1 god. He is 'God' thats his name. Then there Christ and stuff.. In christianity ive never heard of the trinity.... and in christianity ive never heard anything about 3 personalities.
please tell me u r joking
Don't believe this guy.  He is a known hacker..........................of my heart.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7071|IRELAND

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

It is a growing war of Ideology...plain and simple. Oil has as much to do with it as rice does.
Yes it is. Its the west and particularly the USA's Ideology of globalization, free market economy and rampant capitalism versus an area still steeped in tribalism and an Ideology based around Islam. By trying to change their Ideology inadvertently, by forcing Capitalism etc on them you breed discontent and terror.
The real question is who was the first to force who's ideology on who?
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7069|Sea to globally-cooled sea
no, because Islamic Terror is funded by corrupt regimes, and they get their money from oil.

edit  let's face it, the religion of Islam is stuck in the middle ages.  The most technological it's allowed to be is Modern Weaponry!  lol

Last edited by G3|Genius (2007-07-18 04:03:53)

theelviscerator
Member
+19|6731
Dumbest question ever.

There was islamic terror long before gas stations.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6998

theelviscerator wrote:

Dumbest question ever.

There was islamic terror long before gas stations.
I think you'll find there wasn't. First attack on US homeland: 1993.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-18 05:43:03)

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