Aviation Safety

2007-07-17 17:04:11

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070717/ap_ … lane_crash

"Statistics show that, for two decades or more, airlines in Africa and in parts of Latin America and Asia – were responsible for a small percentage of the world’s air transport activity and a large percentage of its serious accidents, according to International Civil Aviation Organisation records."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 … -2005.html

It is well know fact that the US, UK, Canada, and Australia have the best safety records for commercial aviation. In my job, I can't tell you how many friggin federal regulations there are.(http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an … enFrameSet)

My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?

2007-07-17 17:06:28

#2

l41e: Member; +677|7090

usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious?

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2007-07-17 17:07:31

#3

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

k30dxedle wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious?
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They got the money to buy the planes....

2007-07-17 17:09:35

#4

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6997

usmarine2005 wrote:
k30dxedle wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious?
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They got the money to buy the planes....

Doesn't matter. Developing countries don't look past their own nose when it comes to preventative maintenance, etc. They think they can cut corners on cost because the problem remains silent and is not obviously apparent until *crack* your plane suddenly fractures into several pieces in mid-air.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-17 17:10:02)

2007-07-17 17:11:12

#5

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

They more concerned with the moolah rolling in than the precious cargo on board i guess.

When i was learning how to drive a bus that was ingrained into me.

And yes i have professional bus driving license and have driven big red double deckers around central London and had the wits scared out of me.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-07-17 17:13:19)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-07-17 17:14:06

#6

oug: Calmer than you are.; +380|6961|Πάϊ

Is it lack of regulations and general structure so to speak, or just the stupid effort to cut costs?

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2007-07-17 17:16:25

#7

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,992|7074|949

m3thod wrote:
They more concerned with the moolah rolling in than the precious cargo on board i guess.

When i was learning how to drive a bus that was ingrained into me.

And yes i have professional bus driving license and have driven big red double deckers around central London and had the wits scared out of me.

Muslim driving mass transport in an international hub? *FEAR

2007-07-17 17:50:17

#8

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7210

Self regulation, $$$.

Its cheaper to take a hit with lawsuit from the families of dead passengers than it is to properly maintain a fleet of planes

2007-07-17 17:52:10

#9

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

BN wrote:
Its cheaper to take a hit with lawsuit from the families of dead passengers than it is to properly maintain a fleet of planes

Same holds true in the US.

2007-07-17 17:55:50

#10

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7117|Canberra, AUS

BN wrote:
Self regulation, $$$.

Its cheaper to take a hit with lawsuit from the families of dead passengers than it is to properly maintain a fleet of planes

Except that in these countries, there is no such thing as a "lawsuit" to a family.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-07-17 19:28:51

#11

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6847|North Carolina

usmarine2005 wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070717/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane_crash

"Statistics show that, for two decades or more, airlines in Africa and in parts of Latin America and Asia – were responsible for a small percentage of the world’s air transport activity and a large percentage of its serious accidents, according to International Civil Aviation Organisation records."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 … -2005.html

It is well know fact that the US, UK, Canada, and Australia have the best safety records for commercial aviation. In my job, I can't tell you how many friggin federal regulations there are.(http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an … enFrameSet)

My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?

Well, in those other countries, things are less regulated. But hey, a lot of conservatives act like deregulation is such a good thing. If they really believe that, they should move to Mexico. Things are a lot less regulated there -- and a lot less safe. I'm not sure how regulated their airlines are though.

2007-07-17 19:48:48

#12

PureFodder: Member; +225|6727

There was a great documentary about what happened to the Russian airlines after the break up of the Soviet Union when they had no money. It was called Airplaneski. One couple found that only one of their seats had a seatbelt, so the bloke let his wife have it. As soon as they took off her seat fell over backwards and slid down the aisle as it turned out it wasn't actually bolted onto the plane. Running airlines without enough money can be a terrifying and dangerous thing to do.

2007-07-17 19:53:33

#13

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

PureFodder wrote:
There was a great documentary about what happened to the Russian airlines after the break up of the Soviet Union when they had no money. It was called Airplaneski. One couple found that only one of their seats had a seatbelt, so the bloke let his wife have it. As soon as they took off her seat fell over backwards and slid down the aisle as it turned out it wasn't actually bolted onto the plane. Running airlines without enough money can be a terrifying and dangerous thing to do.

Americans should think about stuff like that next time they bitch and moan about being late because of a maintenance issue.

2007-07-18 03:36:47

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Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7063|London, England

Yeah I think unfortunately it boils down to money and less regulation. I think it should be international standard (is it already?) and I think that the Aircraft Manufacturers should take some responsibility in ensuring that their planes are maintained (do they do that already?)

2007-07-18 03:47:05

#15

DancingGerbil: Member; +1|6605|Melton Mowbray, England

I think it's down to consumer pressure ... in Africa (for example) most passengers can't afford to pay the high prices that the west has to pay for flights so they don't. If a British airline (for example) set up in Africa doing local flights but maintaining it's high safety standards and prices it would soon fail as very few people would fly on it. Conversely, if an African airline set up in the US (which it wouldn't be allowed to do but let's see this argument through) it would soon fail as people can afford to pay more to feel a lot safer.

What is acceptable safety? Nobody dying ever? How much would you pay for that? Who decides?

Last edited by DancingGerbil (2007-07-18 03:49:06)

2007-07-18 03:57:16

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sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

Little or no regulation, corruption and lack of interest in people. With that cocktail you don't need to wonder how security is taken down here.

2007-07-18 06:57:15

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m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
m3thod wrote:
They more concerned with the moolah rolling in than the precious cargo on board i guess.

When i was learning how to drive a bus that was ingrained into me.

And yes i have professional bus driving license and have driven big red double deckers around central London and had the wits scared out of me.
Muslim driving mass transport in an international hub? *FEAR

Mooslims?!! London white van drivers are the scariest thing i've ever come across.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-07-18 09:33:14

#18

EVieira: Member; +105|6920|Lutenblaag, Molvania

usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?

Without the billions you have, you can't expect the same level of security and safety. Still, air travel is by far the safest way to go.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2007-07-18 11:26:38

#19

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

EVieira wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?
Without the billions you have, you can't expect the same level of security and safety. Still, air travel is by far the safest way to go.

Billions? We have ten dollar tickets at my airline. Bet that is cheaper than most tickets in South America or Africa.

2007-07-18 11:40:43

#20

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7178|Salt Lake City

usmarine2005 wrote:
EVieira wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?
Without the billions you have, you can't expect the same level of security and safety. Still, air travel is by far the safest way to go.
Billions? We have ten dollar tickets at my airline. Bet that is cheaper than most tickets in South America or Africa.

But aren't those promotional or something? You know very well that the airline is losing money on that ticket.

2007-07-18 11:41:20

#21

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But aren't those promotional or something? You know very well that the airline is losing money on that ticket.

Not promotional. Not losing money either.

2007-07-18 11:53:24

#22

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7178|Salt Lake City

usmarine2005 wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But aren't those promotional or something? You know very well that the airline is losing money on that ticket.
Not promotional. Not losing money either.

Then can you explain to me how it is that they aren't losing money on a $10 ticket, but airlines are cutting billions from their workers to get/stay out of bankruptcy?

2007-07-18 11:55:04

#23

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But aren't those promotional or something? You know very well that the airline is losing money on that ticket.
Not promotional. Not losing money either.
Then can you explain to me how it is that they aren't losing money on a $10 ticket, but airlines are cutting billions from their workers to get/stay out of bankruptcy?

No

2007-07-18 12:22:11

#24

EVieira: Member; +105|6920|Lutenblaag, Molvania

usmarine2005 wrote:
EVieira wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
My question is, why don't other countries take it as serious? They fly the same planes we do for the same reasons. Why don't they do something about it?
Without the billions you have, you can't expect the same level of security and safety. Still, air travel is by far the safest way to go.
Billions? We have ten dollar tickets at my airline. Bet that is cheaper than most tickets in South America or Africa.

I'm not talking about the airlines, they have plenty. I'm talking about governments/regulation agencies.

Besides, this crash had nothing to do with aircraft maintenance. The plane skidded on the runway and the pilot tried to abort the landing. The runway was very wet, it had rained very heavily the entire day.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2007-07-18 12:23:47

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

EVieira wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
EVieira wrote:
Without the billions you have, you can't expect the same level of security and safety. Still, air travel is by far the safest way to go.
Billions? We have ten dollar tickets at my airline. Bet that is cheaper than most tickets in South America or Africa.
I'm not talking about the airlines, they have plenty. I'm talking about governments/regulation agencies.

Besides, this crash had nothing to do with aircraft maintenance. The plane skidded on the runway and the pilot tried to abort the landing. The runway was very wet, it had rained very heavily the entire day.

I know that. Maybe something failed or the pilot came in too hot. My point was not the accident, but that jump started my thread.

Airlines have to pay for safety modifications, not the government.

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