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2007-07-17 22:03:22

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6991|San Diego, CA, USA

The Daily Gut
Recently, Standing before a crowded church, Barack Obama revealed the cause of violence in our country. He said, "There's a reason they go out and shoot each other, because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is because we are not loving them enough."

So, okay - the reason people are shooting shopkeepers and cops is BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LOVING THEM ENOUGH.

Truthfully, I would love to follow Obama's advice. IT'S JUST SO HARD TO HUG SOMEONE WHEN THEY'VE GOT A GUN IN YOUR FACE.

It's amazing that some people still think low self esteem causes crime. The fact is, research shows that criminals have higher levels of self-esteem than anyone on the planet, including Star Jones.

The only thing worse than a real criminal is a pseudo-intellectual who refuses to understand the nature of evil. It's the disease of modern society - a fear of judgment stemming from the conviction that moral relativism means no one should ever be convicted.

I guess by extension, that means that all sociopaths can be cured by "love." Do you think we can get Musharaff to find Osama and give him a hug? Then maybe we can lay off of this whole "war on terror" thing. Maybe we can buy Ahmadinejad a warm puppy and he'll reconsider obliterating Israel.
If only Hitler had gotten that fire engine for Christmas.

I wonder if Obama's compassion extends to all by criminals? How about a neo-Nazi? A Klansman? Hey Obama, why not send David Duke a candygram?

Obama might be the first conceptual politician in history - offering a national platform based on statements coming off a coffee mug. One probably filled with chai tea.

That's my gut feeling.

Source: Barack Obam's Solution To Crime

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2007-07-17 22:05:08

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +697|6733|Washington St.

Alright...

So what's YOUR solution to crime. If you're going to slam on him for his, you'd better have a good one yourself.

2007-07-17 22:14:46

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6991|San Diego, CA, USA

Well my point is that he, trying to be President, doesn't have a sane solution...and no one in the press is calling him on it.

My solution is pretty simple: Harsher punishments. Liberialize gun laws (An Armed Society is a Polite Society) - how many people could be alive today in the Virginia Tech shooting if a Professor had a gun? Make Capital Punishment mandatory for Murder 1 cases. Streamline the appeal process for Murder 1 cases. Put a fence on the border. Require police to inform ICE whenever an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime. Deport illegal immigrants once they finished their prison sentence. 6 months in jail for being an illegal immigrant + fines. Make it illegal to own or rent property if you are illegal. Require that you be here legally to wire money outside the United States.

2007-07-17 22:15:08

chittydog: less busy; +586|7278|Kubra, Damn it!

For one, I don't see any mention of his solution to crime. All it says is his theory on the cause of crime.
Two, call me what you will, but stupidjuice.net just doesn't seem like the most credible of sources. Look through it, it's not a news site, it's some guy's blog. Recent posts include such hard-hitting news articles as: Taliban Barbie, Baby Panther Adopted by Dog, Diet Coke With Bacon (/fail) and Woman Dies Doing Handstand on Balcony (But Wins Bet).

2007-07-17 22:24:33

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6596|what

I honesty can't see why arming more people is supposed to stop shooting sprees and gun violence. All it will do is increase gun crime.

2007-07-17 22:35:24

Blehm98: conservative hatemonger; +150|6906|meh-land

TheAussieReaper wrote:
I honesty can't see why arming more people is supposed to stop shooting sprees and gun violence. All it will do is increase gun crime.

negatory. It causes a marked decrease in all crime, and gun crimes of course go down with the others

what does that have to do with the OP's point however. Please don't bring up offtopic ideas

I know of a few people you would most definitely NOT want to hug, and i know for a fact that 'love' wouldn't make them any less wierd/dangerous/evil

2007-07-17 22:44:05

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7210

I did not hear the speech and I am not sure if this article takes what he said our of context. but what he said does not sound like a solution its just political ramblings. Its hardly a detailed plan to fix crime.

GET A GRIP!

if you want to take things so literal email GW Bush and ask him if he plans on coming through on his promise to FIRE anyone who "illegally leaked" Plame's identity. aka Mr Rove

2007-07-17 22:53:58

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6596|what

Blehm98 wrote:
what does that have to do with the OP's point however. Please don't bring up offtopic ideas

Off topic? The OP said:

Harmor wrote:
My solution is pretty simple: Harsher punishments. Liberialize gun laws (An Armed Society is a Polite Society) - how many people could be alive today in the Virginia Tech shooting if a Professor had a gun?

Go forum police somewhere else.

2007-07-17 22:58:57

Xblade-3o5-: Oi, Suzy!; +113|7196|Florida, United States

Harmor wrote:
Well my point is that he, trying to be President, doesn't have a sane solution...and no one in the press is calling him on it.
Put a fence on the border. 6 months in jail for being an illegal immigrant + fines. Make it illegal to own or rent property if you are illegal. Require that you be here legally to wire money outside the United States.

WTF? Those things you said there won't stop crime, you are just bashing the illegal immigrants.

2007-07-17 23:20:05

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +697|6733|Washington St.

Harmor wrote:
Well my point is that he, trying to be President, doesn't have a sane solution...and no one in the press is calling him on it.

My solution is pretty simple: Harsher punishments. Liberialize gun laws (An Armed Society is a Polite Society) - how many people could be alive today in the Virginia Tech shooting if a Professor had a gun? Make Capital Punishment mandatory for Murder 1 cases. Streamline the appeal process for Murder 1 cases. Put a fence on the border. Require police to inform ICE whenever an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime. Deport illegal immigrants once they finished their prison sentence. 6 months in jail for being an illegal immigrant + fines. Make it illegal to own or rent property if you are illegal. Require that you be here legally to wire money outside the United States.

Alright. +1 for backing up your argument with a valid response. You're better at this than most people who post on this thread.

2007-07-17 23:41:41

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,992|7075|949

Harmor wrote:
Well my point is that he, trying to be President, doesn't have a sane solution...and no one in the press is calling him on it.

The press doesn't call out front-runners for either party. They will however give no press time to non-career politicians. The media acts as guardians of our fucked up system.

Harmor wrote:
My solution is pretty simple: Harsher punishments.

Harsher punishment does not work as deterrence. I would argue for a focus on creating positive, contributing members of society (look up prison recidivism rates).

Harmor wrote:
Liberialize gun laws (An Armed Society is a Polite Society) - how many people could be alive today in the Virginia Tech shooting if a Professor had a gun?

No, enact realistic and logical gun laws. Limit the ability of criminals to obtain guns (through theft or proxy buyers mostly). An armed society is a paranoid society.

Harmor wrote:
Make Capital Punishment mandatory for Murder 1 cases. Streamline the appeal process for Murder 1 cases. Put a fence on the border

And that will stop crime how? Crime is actually higher in states that have the death penalty. Putting a fence on the border is the most insane and expedient solution to the illegal immigration problem.

Harmor wrote:
Require police to inform ICE whenever an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime. Deport illegal immigrants once they finished their prison sentence. 6 months in jail for being an illegal immigrant + fines. Make it illegal to own or rent property if you are illegal. Require that you be here legally to wire money outside the United States.

I agree that police should notify ICE whenever an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime. However, they should be deported immediately. I don't want to pay to house a non-citizen in jail.

I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of requiring legal status to wire money outside the US (except in special cases).

2007-07-17 23:45:42

eMarine: Gorgonnash PVP; +119|7287|Sacramento, Cal

Harmor wrote:
http://stupidjuice.net/wp-content/uploa … _obama.jpg The Daily Gut
Recently, Standing before a crowded church, Barack Obama revealed the cause of violence in our country. He said, "There's a reason they go out and shoot each other, because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is because we are not loving them enough."

So, okay - the reason people are shooting shopkeepers and cops is BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LOVING THEM ENOUGH.

Truthfully, I would love to follow Obama's advice. IT'S JUST SO HARD TO HUG SOMEONE WHEN THEY'VE GOT A GUN IN YOUR FACE.

It's amazing that some people still think low self esteem causes crime. The fact is, research shows that criminals have higher levels of self-esteem than anyone on the planet, including Star Jones.

The only thing worse than a real criminal is a pseudo-intellectual who refuses to understand the nature of evil. It's the disease of modern society - a fear of judgment stemming from the conviction that moral relativism means no one should ever be convicted.

I guess by extension, that means that all sociopaths can be cured by "love." Do you think we can get Musharaff to find Osama and give him a hug? Then maybe we can lay off of this whole "war on terror" thing. Maybe we can buy Ahmadinejad a warm puppy and he'll reconsider obliterating Israel.
If only Hitler had gotten that fire engine for Christmas.

I wonder if Obama's compassion extends to all by criminals? How about a neo-Nazi? A Klansman? Hey Obama, why not send David Duke a candygram?

Obama might be the first conceptual politician in history - offering a national platform based on statements coming off a coffee mug. One probably filled with chai tea.

That's my gut feeling.
Source: Barack Obam's Solution To Crime

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Before you single out Obama, what are the other candidate's opinions?

2007-07-18 00:54:40

Elamdri: The New Johnnie Cochran; +134|7089|Peoria

would just like to clear something up the reporter was too foolish to pick up on.

Notice where Obama WAS.

Harmor wrote:
Recently, Standing before a crowded church, Barack Obama revealed the cause of violence in our country.

totally playing the crowd. Telling Christians that crime is caused by a lack of love? How ORIGINAL!

2007-07-18 01:03:33

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6998

I think Harmor needs to lay off the trashy 'news' sites and the FOX News TV channel a little.

2007-07-18 01:22:22

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7284|Cologne, Germany

Obama is trying to get elected, not solve the crime problem. He says what he thinks will get him the most votes from the people he is speaking to.

That's what everyone of the candidates does.

I wonder what he'd say at an NRA rally though....

it is only until after the elections that we will know the true Barack Obama. That's also the same for every candidate, btw....

2007-07-18 02:06:46

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7210

CameronPoe wrote:
I think Harmor needs to lay off the trashy 'news' sites and the FOX News TV channel a little.

Amen to that

2007-07-18 03:58:50

PureFodder: Member; +225|6728

Harmor wrote:
how many people could be alive today in the Virginia Tech shooting if a Professor had a gun?

The real chasm in this argument (the arming teachers idea) is that during my time at school at least 3 of my teachers had nervous breakdowns, two resulted in the teacher loosing it and throwing stuff at the kids. Yes the kid in question utterly deserved for a metal bin to be lobbed at his head, but that's beside the point. Arming someone in a potentially highly stressful job then shutting them in a room full of kids somehow doesn't sound like a solution as much as a ticking bomb.

Also there's the whole issue of America having the death penalty, some of the most lax gun control and easy of civilian access and strongest sentencing. And about the highest violent crime figures for a western nation.

Kind of gives the impression that these aren't actually solutions to the crime problem.

2007-07-18 04:31:13

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6993|CH/BR - in UK

It actually makes sense. If you don't give these guys a reason to hate life, if you make them love who they are, they will be less willing to turn their life to ruin. A person who loves who they are is also more likely to want to raise a family, which would give them more to lose if they went out mugging people.
Does that makes sense to you? It does to me.

I would say however, that this is not the only reason that there is crime - having a good police force never hurt anyone. Enforcing the current gun laws wouldn't be bad either - you don't even have to add anything to the law, just enforce what you have now.

-konfusion

PS: Agreed, Cam

2007-07-18 05:03:38

13rin: Member; +977|6922

TheAussieReaper wrote:
I honesty can't see why arming more people is supposed to stop shooting sprees and gun violence. All it will do is increase gun crime.

Proven wrong. http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Lott/Lott11.html

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2007-07-18 05:21:38

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6733|Éire

DBBrinson1 wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:
I honesty can't see why arming more people is supposed to stop shooting sprees and gun violence. All it will do is increase gun crime.
Proven wrong. http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Lott/Lott11.html

What kind of website is that?

RE: The OP ...that's just vague, political speak by Obama. He's just running off press-friendly cliches and soundbites as it's nearly election time. There's no actual description of policy in there. Wait until he unveils actually policies ...then tear them to pieces! If we were to pick apart every bit of bullshit that came out every politicians' mouth there would be a lot more threads in the D&ST section.

2007-07-18 05:27:47

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7064|London, England

Braddock wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:
I honesty can't see why arming more people is supposed to stop shooting sprees and gun violence. All it will do is increase gun crime.
Proven wrong. http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Lott/Lott11.html
What kind of website is that?

RE: The OP ...that's just vague, political speak by Obama. He's just running off press-friendly cliches and soundbites as it's nearly election time. There's no actual description of policy in there. Wait until he unveils actually policies ...then tear them to pieces! If we were to pick apart every bit of bullshit that came out every politicians' mouth there would be a lot more threads in the D&ST section.

Makes me think how this election will be totally different compared to others. I mean even 2004 the Internet/Forums was no way near as popular as it is now.

Every little thing will be ripped apart by...everyone. Blogs, Youtube, all of that. Elections (anywhere) will be more involving now.

2007-07-18 05:33:02

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6733|Éire

Mekstizzle wrote:
Braddock wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:

Proven wrong. http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Lott/Lott11.html
What kind of website is that?

RE: The OP ...that's just vague, political speak by Obama. He's just running off press-friendly cliches and soundbites as it's nearly election time. There's no actual description of policy in there. Wait until he unveils actually policies ...then tear them to pieces! If we were to pick apart every bit of bullshit that came out every politicians' mouth there would be a lot more threads in the D&ST section.
Makes me think how this election will be totally different compared to others. I mean even 2004 the Internet/Forums was no way near as popular as it is now.

Every little thing will be ripped apart by...everyone. Blogs, Youtube, all of that. Elections (anywhere) will be more involving now.

That's a great thing imo. I've learned more about world politics on this forum than I would have ever done through traditional media and books.

2007-07-18 06:53:17

san4: The Mas; +311|7131|NYC, a place to live

konfusion wrote:
It actually makes sense. If you don't give these guys a reason to hate life, if you make them love who they are, they will be less willing to turn their life to ruin. A person who loves who they are is also more likely to want to raise a family, which would give them more to lose if they went out mugging people.
Does that makes sense to you? It does to me.

I would say however, that this is not the only reason that there is crime - having a good police force never hurt anyone. Enforcing the current gun laws wouldn't be bad either - you don't even have to add anything to the law, just enforce what you have now.

-konfusion

PS: Agreed, Cam

That seems like it's on the right track, except I'm sure Obama meant "love" metaphorically. Like, for instance, providing schools with excellent teachers, as well as providing kids with the various forms of support they need to avoid being fucked up by crackhead parents.

Kids aren't muggers or drug dealers when they're 6 months old. They get screwed up by shitty parents and neighborhoods full of drug dealers. I think Obama was suggesting that society stop just wishing scumbag criminals would go away and clean up the hellholes that create them. That's love, or something like it.

2007-07-18 22:23:54

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6848|North Carolina

Elamdri wrote:
would just like to clear something up the reporter was too foolish to pick up on.

Notice where Obama WAS.

Harmor wrote:
Recently, Standing before a crowded church, Barack Obama revealed the cause of violence in our country.
totally playing the crowd. Telling Christians that crime is caused by a lack of love? How ORIGINAL!

Yeah... The Democrats have started to realize that they too can play the "manipulate the religious" game. Republicans mastered it in the 80s, so it was only a matter of time before the Democrats would catch on.

It's kind of sad to think that an atheist or agnostic would never win a presidential election in this country. Then again, any non-Christian probably wouldn't.

2007-07-18 22:44:23

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7214|PNW

pirana6 wrote:
Alright...

So what's YOUR solution to crime. If you're going to slam on him for his, you'd better have a good one yourself.

There is no solution to crime for this society.

Mekstizzle wrote:
Braddock wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:
Proven wrong. http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Lott/Lott11.html
What kind of website is that?

RE: The OP ...that's just vague, political speak by Obama. He's just running off press-friendly cliches and soundbites as it's nearly election time. There's no actual description of policy in there. Wait until he unveils actually policies ...then tear them to pieces! If we were to pick apart every bit of bullshit that came out every politicians' mouth there would be a lot more threads in the D&ST section.
Makes me think how this election will be totally different compared to others. I mean even 2004 the Internet/Forums was no way near as popular as it is now.

Every little thing will be ripped apart by...everyone. Blogs, Youtube, all of that. Elections (anywhere) will be more involving now.

The good part being, I suppose, that politicians will have to watch what they say a bit more closely, apart from the understandable slip-up here and there.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-07-18 22:46:35)

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