m3thod
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Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I feel this topic could get closed, coz some mods don't like Israel threads, even when the topic isn't about Israel.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=81004

Courtesy of badhq.
I am also a forum search ho'[/url]
topal63 commanded the Amazonian Chicks with the big jubblies to masterfully punish their keyboard and thus resulted:

Fancy would troll through peoples past posts in an attempt to find either inconsistencies or things he considered retarded. And, then he would quote-post those in an attempt to childishly discredit someone (in every other thread they participated in). He did this a lot to IRONCHEF & Serge (ed) as I recall.

P.S. I doubt the search feature exists for the express purpose of past post trolling. It exists (IMO) so that duplicate threads are not created.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-07-20 12:25:15)

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nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6766|New Haven, CT

CameronPoe wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

I see why. They definitely should have ensured a smoother, less disruptive relocation of Palestinian people.
Why on earth should the Palestinians have been relocated? If someone told you tomorrow that the UN decided your house and business was being given to a Mexican immigrant would you not regard yourself as having been done an injustice?
Yes. So are you saying that the Jews and Arabs should have coexisted peacefully within what is now Israel.
nukchebi0
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m3thod wrote:

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I feel this topic could get closed, coz some mods don't like Israel threads, even when the topic isn't about Israel.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=81004

Courtesy of badhq.
I am also a forum search ho'[/url]
topal63 commanded the Amazonian Chicks with the big jubblies to masterfully punish their keyboard and thus resulted:

Fancy would troll through peoples past posts in an attempt to find either inconsistencies or things he considered retarded. And, then he would quote-post those in an attempt to childishly discredit someone (in every other thread they participated in). He did this a lot to IRONCHEF & Serge (ed) as I recall.

P.S. I doubt the search feature exists for the express purpose of past post trolling. It exists (IMO) so that duplicate threads are not created.
Off-topic. What an immature moron Fancy was.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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sergeriver wrote:

I feel this topic could get closed, coz some mods don't like Israel threads, even when the topic isn't about Israel.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=81004

Courtesy of badhq.
Take it up with bad boy himself...
CameronPoe
Member
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nukchebi0 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

I see why. They definitely should have ensured a smoother, less disruptive relocation of Palestinian people.
Why on earth should the Palestinians have been relocated? If someone told you tomorrow that the UN decided your house and business was being given to a Mexican immigrant would you not regard yourself as having been done an injustice?
Yes. So are you saying that the Jews and Arabs should have coexisted peacefully within what is now Israel.
They had done for centuries. The Jewish immigration that was permitted under British administration following WWI fucked things up a bit. Prior to that it was part of the Ottoman empire.
mikkel
Member
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The UN committee was pretty much free to do with the Palestinian mandate as they wished. The Arabs got their share, the Jews got their share, and of course the Arab population were pissed off at being evicted from their homes. Just giving away occupied land isn't very thoughtful, but their prerogative nontheless.

That the ungrateful Jews decided to just take whatever land they saw fit after the war and breaking more UN resolutions than any other nation in history, and subsequently and arrogantly claim to be the "good guys" is just reprehensible. I'm no ultraliberal, but that a country like Israel can get away with as much as they have is just completely unfathomable. If it wasn't for their one big Western ally, they'd be sanctioned deep into hell, but apparently the UN's take on justice can only be forced onto countries that aren't closely allied with the US.

The US' continued abuse of their UN security council veto to help their allies dodge the consequences of their actions does nothing but prompt China and Russia to abuse theirs in support of their African allies as well.

The UN is quickly becoming ineffective through the actions of the very countries blaming it for being just that. If you're doing your best to break down the foundation of an organisation, don't arrogantly accuse it of inefficiency. You only have yourself to blame.

Last edited by mikkel (2007-07-20 14:02:46)

M.O.A.B
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CameronPoe wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Perhaps if the jews had stayed and not pussied out when the Romans started oppressing them this problem would not exist today. The Irish didn't just wholesale ditch Ireland when the Brits invaded.
The Jews didn't pussy out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_rebellion
Ever heard of Masada? Ever heard of the jewish diaspora? Any idea why Europe had more than 6 million jews in it in the 1930s?
Ah but you see its not much different from how all the Irish ended up in America, they left because they had no food when the British cut off all other supplies of food after the potatoes went kaput. In a sense they could have stayed and fought to get at the wheat or something, so I'm not saying they are but does that make them pussies as well because they left?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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nukchebi0 wrote:

Why were so many Arab nations angry at the creation of a Israeli state after WWII? I don't get it because Israel had existed as a state much earlier in history. It was Israeli territory originally, so why should it have not been then?

Edit: Sorry about the title. I was lazy. Thanks to the moderator who fixed it.
On a purely hypothetical level (to work out one of the reasons for the anger), think of it as a foreign power carving up a portion of the US and calling it Hubbadub nation, while supplying them arms, equipment and funds to keep us disorganized. Foreigners then filter into this new country and grab up land. Everyone evicted from their homes would not receive very fair recompense. Of course there's going to be angry people.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-07-20 22:09:55)

Wolphoenix
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Because instead of giving parts of Germany to the Jews they took parts from a country which had nothing to do with the extermination of the Jews and gave it to them, without even talking to the people who lived in that country.
UGADawgs
Member
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Because the Arabs didn't want to compromise an inch of land in 1948. The British already gave the Arabs the whole Transjordan earlier and the UN and Jews were perfectly fine with a 2-state solution, but the Arab nations wanted the whole cake and failed in taking it.
Wolphoenix
Member
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You cant just take someones home and say its not urs anymore. it doesnt work like that. If they wanted to do something for the Jews cos of the holocaust, they shuda given them germany. Not give them control of land which wasnt theirs and without consent from the people living there.
ATG
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

The reason:

- Germany decided that they wanted to wipe every last jew from the face of the planet.
- Germany get defeated in WWII. It transpires that they killed 6 million jews. The world feels sorry for jews.
- The United Nations decide that Germany must pay for their crimes and therefore the overwhelmingly arab region of Palestine (originally called Cana'an), an ex-Ottoman empire province which had nothing to do with Germany, is selected as a location for a jewish state.
- The UN votes on the proposition with far flung countries like New Zealand being given a say in what will no doubt detrimentally impact on Palestinian arabs - nice and fair. The motion is passed.
- The arabs rightly disagree with this being imposed on them and the arab v jewish immigrant (the British had been irresponsibly allowing jewish immigration to Palestine since WWI, when they should have been safeguarding the citizens of the region they were tasked with administering) tit-for-tat violence and terrorism (on both sides) ratchets up until the Brits withdraw. Acts like the Jewish bombing of the King David hotel make Britain realise that they can no longer control the situation (kinda like Iraq).
- Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians flee their homes thinking that they will return within weeks once the fighting has stopped. Little do they know that they will never see their homes, farms, businesses or properties again - Israel has taken them all and won't give them back.
bah, as usual, you have selected one narrow definition of events.

Havok wrote and Cam probably never considered


"That, and because even though the Israeli's owned the land many generations ago, the Arabs were occupying it when it was stolen.  It's not the fault of the Arabs who lived there that they lived on conquered territory.  And it's (in their mind) not fair that their land was stolen from them. (Even though like you said it belonged to the Israelis long before)  Personally I think the Arabs have a valid claim, because a similar example would be if Italy began taking over most of Europe and North Africa because it had belonged to Rome in the past.  Another example could be if the Mongols wanted to reconquer all of Asia, or if Native Americans wanted to reclaim North America."


except there were always Jews in Israel.

Last edited by ATG (2007-07-21 08:44:44)

CameronPoe
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ATG wrote:

except there were always Jews in Israel.
There were also always semites that did not follow Judaism (i.e., arabs).
ATG
Banned
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That's why a compromise is needed;
Bomb them all.


Or at least, raze the ground level and forcibly migrate everybody elsewhere.

Enough is enough.
Wolphoenix
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Thats not compromise, thats a massacare. Are you american? Ah, i see you are. That explains it.
mikkel
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ATG wrote:

except there were always Jews in Israel.
There were also always Native Americans in North America. By the same token, you'd support relocating present day occupants and giving back all the land to the indian tribes and the Inuit.

When land has been conquered and held for centuries by various powers until their collapse, there's no longer anyone capable of making a legitimate claim to the land. No existing Israeli nation or exiled government to demand their land back, no displaced citizens, nothing but a bunch of people who claim that because their ancient ancestors lived there, they have the right to have the land. That's just not how the modern world works, as proven by Japan, China, the Philipines, the US, Canada, the UK, and any other existing nation occupying land historically belonging to a different, indigenous population.

Israel's right to exist is solely a product of the UN decision. It has absolutely no religious or historically derived rights, and no rights whatsoever to the occupied territory.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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nukchebi0 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

I see why. They definitely should have ensured a smoother, less disruptive relocation of Palestinian people.
Why on earth should the Palestinians have been relocated? If someone told you tomorrow that the UN decided your house and business was being given to a Mexican immigrant would you not regard yourself as having been done an injustice?
Yes. So are you saying that the Jews and Arabs should have coexisted peacefully within what is now Israel.
That was the plan. The Jewish immigrants just didn't play fair.

There was a massive policy of deliberate economic deprivement (well documented), which alongside the lack of integration by the Jewish immigrants (things like Jews refusing to use Arab shops, Jewish doctors refusing to treat Arab patients, refusal to employ Arabs by the Jews except the most menial of tasks) which led to widespread resentment towards the Jewish immigrants.

Fearing this resentment the Jewish immigrants began conducting terror attacks against the Palestinian civilians (bombs in marketplaces were quite popular) and against the British administration, which took the side of the Palestinian people because the Jewish immigrants were not meeting their responsibilities to co-exist peacefully with the Palestinians - which was always a condition of the Balfour declaration. After the British issued the White Paper of 1939 imposing greater restrictions on Jewish immigration and attempting to calm the situation down, the Jewish immigrants became even more violent and the laws governing immigration were completely ignored, the British took measures to enforce the restrictions on immigration and the Jewish attempts to circumvent the British border control and naval blockades became known as Aliyah Bet.

Illegal immigrants came into the country with loads of money, bought all the good stuff (with loans from the centralised Jewish Agency), wouldn't integrate with the existing communities and treated them as inferior, bombed civilians, bombed the military, then declared themselves a nation and expelled loads of the people living there from their homes and killed many who refused to leave (ethnic cleansing). That's why a few people got quite pissed off at them.
herrr_smity
Member
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nukchebi0 wrote:

Why were so many Arab nations angry at the creation of a Israeli state after WWII? I don't get it because Israel had existed as a state much earlier in history. It was Israeli territory originally, so why should it have not been then?

Edit: Sorry about the title. I was lazy. Thanks to the moderator who fixed it.
that's like asking why were the indians so upset about the colonists
Breez
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Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I feel this topic could get closed, coz some mods don't like Israel threads, even when the topic isn't about Israel.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=81004

Courtesy of badhq.
Oh please...

Could it have been closed because you have made like 40 Israel threads!? (this list doesn't include any of your Israel threads from the past month...God only knows how long it would be if it did)

How to Achieve Peace for Dummies

47% of Americans Think Israel is Justified in Killing Civilians

The Real Job of the IDF

Does Israel want the rockets to stop?

Wouldn't You Hate Them Too if You Were Living There?

The Israeli SOLUTION to the Palestinian Problem

Jews Want Israel to Raise its Moral Standard

Should Olmert Resign?

Is this Fighting Terrorism or Supporting it?

Jerusalem Should Be Declared Capital of the World

It's All About Education

Is Retaliation the Solution?

A Nuke Would Be Nicer

Israel Used Palestinian Kids as Human Shields

Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Peace Settlement

Israel Nukes and the Refusal to Sign the NPT Go Unpunished

Palestinians: scapegoats for Hitler's Failures?

They steal your home: what would you do?

Israel Won't Deal with the New Palestinian Government

Winds of Change?

Israel leaving the Occupied Territories

I am Israel

Interesting Video About .s.a.l

Palestine & Israel Discussion Thread

247 People Gazassinated Since June

First Step to Achieve Peace: US Incredible Opportunity

Global Leaders Call for Action on Arab-Israeli Settlement

How Many More People Should Israel kill?

Isn't it outrageous?

Could Israel be anti-semite?

Is Israel fucking with the world?

Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?

How 'd you solve the conflict between Israel and muslin countries?
I think I'm gonna have to make a sticky where all the Israel threads get put in and it keeps grawnig by the day......

I'm not closing this thread because I don't agree with you.... I'm closing it because there are tons of same sort of subject on here... ( if it's not exactly the same, then it's very similar)


Thread Closed

As you can see Cerpin_Taxt has found you some threads that should keep you entertained for few weeks if not you can find more here

http://forums.bf2s.com/search.php?search_id=1948855844

Peace Boris
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
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re-opened
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6665|Escea

Wolphoenix wrote:

Thats not compromise, thats a massacare. Are you american? Ah, i see you are. That explains it.
How come?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7023|SE London

M.O.A.B wrote:

Wolphoenix wrote:

Thats not compromise, thats a massacare. Are you american? Ah, i see you are. That explains it.
How come?
I'd assume he means because of consistent US support for Israel despite any acts they may have committed that have been condemned by the rest of the world.

Either that or Americans perceived desire to bomb every Arab state into the stone age (which considering the post he was addressing seems more likely).
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6665|Escea

Bertster7 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Wolphoenix wrote:

Thats not compromise, thats a massacare. Are you american? Ah, i see you are. That explains it.
How come?
I'd assume he means because of consistent US support for Israel despite any acts they may have committed that have been condemned by the rest of the world.

Either that or Americans perceived desire to bomb every Arab state into the stone age (which considering the post he was addressing seems more likely).
Ah I see, that's the way I feel sometimes though I'll admit, I'm not saying I really want that to happen or such, but y'know .
AutralianChainsaw
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B.Schuss wrote:

re-opened
I agree, the idea of a single thread for all Palestinia/Israel topics was not a success..  as long as the thread remain civil there not reason to close it.

To answer the OP, like most people here already stated, just imagine having your land given away to another people. Would you shoot back?  i know i would.
jonsimon
Member
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"Used to be" doesn't matter. America "used to be" the native american's. Britain "used to be" the celt's and the pict's. Israel "used to be" the jews, but it also "used to be" the caananites. A lot of places "used to" belong to someone else, but that holds no legal or political significance in the PRESENT. The argument that Israel "used to be" the jew's is mere propoganda created by the zionist jews as early as WWI.

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