DeathBecomesYu wrote:
That is easy Cam.....look at the history of the world. Hitler spread Germany and its Nazi ideology throughout Europe and almost defeated Russis. But of course it didn't reach the west (America, South America). Think about it for a moment. Even though the Nazi ideology didn't reach all over the globe....it was STILL a threat to us ALL.
During the Cold war. Communism spread throughout Eastern Europe and to many countries around southern Asia. Even though it didn't reach our shores...it STILL was a threat to the world. All you have to understand is that just because Radical Islam hasn't knocked on our door step YET...it is STILL a threat to us all. Do not forget a lot of countries outside the ME and Europe are facing Islamic movements and terror attacks. Many of those countries have nothing to do with Iraq. NOTHING!!!!! For example Indonesia, Phillipines, areas in Southern China and countries in Africa.
People need to stop blaming the war on Iraq for an Ideology that already existed and will exist long after we leave. The radical Islamic Ideology is a global movement. It hasn't reached too much outside of Europe and the ME but if you really look closely...it is starting to go beyond those areas into countries in Africa, Asia, Europe..etc.. It is just like any other sweeping Ideology that was a threat in the past.
How is this ideology movement any different. Yes, they are more difficult to target and fight because they don't have a border or uniforms. But they do have support and backing from countries who want to spread Radical Islam. Communism was similar in ways because countries like Russia and China armed and supported communist movements into South Korea, Vietnam and the west fought back. If we hadn't, communism would have been much more expansive, but at least we took it as a threat to freedom and helped fight it back and eventually won. It was won by a variety of actions. War, secret and blatant, and of course political and covert. They all played a part.
Radical Islam is no different. It wants to spread itself to all parts of the world. If you don't believe that then don't come crying to me when your grand kids are forced to rock back and forth while reciting the Koran. It IS a movement that is spreading like many ideologies of the past and sooner or later countries and armies will have to unite or fall one by one as many countries did during WW2 and the communists expansion into Eastern Europe and southern Asia. The Radical Islamic movement is a threat to us ALL....doesn't matter if it is here nor in South America...it is a threat regardless...just like the past.
Just because we don't have a problem here YET....does not mean that we are not facing a threat to the world....WE ARE!! To ignore that would be extremely ignorant. At least America will be ready.
Are radical Islamists going to charge the beaches at Delaware in amphibious landing craft? Are 'Al Panzer' spearheads of Islamic tanks going to be trundling across the bosphorus towards Europe? No. All they'll be doing is attempting to bomb civilians with isolated attacks, which will probably continue as long as there is a muslim left standing on this earth and a Pakistani madrasa nearby. USA is safe by virtue of its geography, all it needs to do to preserve itself is to improve domestic security and perhaps get that missile shield up and running: it's that simple.
What stopped Hitler was a complete and utter annihilation of his country. Collective punishment was deemed acceptable because he posed an existential threat to us all, was popular amongst his people and was using the apparatus of the state and its military to achieve this. No nation today poses such a threat or is anywhere near the US or Europe in terms of military prowess. If a sovereign nation tries anything on us they'll be blasted into next week. You also seem to forget that when it was necessary we came together to DEFEAT Hitler.
I think you forget also that the popularity of Hitler was borne out of desperation and a massively politically fractured Germany, buckling under the strain of the Versailles treaty. He was strong and delivered on promises of jobs, food on their tables and a renewed sense of pride. What radical Islam offers is an opportunity to commit suicide as long as you don't want an open coffin funeral. It offers nothing of benefit whatsoever. It will always only be a fringe movement. It couldn't possibly gather enough popular support inside a western nation to do any real damage, certainly not on the scale of Adolf Hitler: that's for sure. You cannot defeat the radical islam ideology in the same manner the Nazi movement was destroyed, unless of course you're advocating the genocide of every last one of the 1 billion or so muslims there are in this world today...
PS Communism did not spread in Europe - it was a quiet 'communism or else' word in their ear from the Soviet Union 'liberators'.
PPS Indonesia, the Phillipines and the countries you mention in Africa have very sizeable long-standing muslim minorities - and in the case of Indonesia: the largest population of muslims on earth. The movements in Africa and the Phillipines are independence movements, unsurprising given that Islam is not really compatible with Christian or Western-style government/civilisation. The issue in Indonesia is more serious but Indonesia is thousands of miles from either the US or Europe. To be honest, we supported that cunt General Suharto for so long that we're probably due for some retaliation against our interests there, not that I condone the methods they will no doubt employ.
PPS Lol at the grandkids comment. That is hilariously delusional. Ireland has a practically non-existent muslim community.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-22 05:12:43)
