Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-23 01:47:23)
Last edited by agwood (2007-07-23 02:21:29)
I concur totally from my time in the great Thanksgiving Bird, the locals take a lot of pride and have a lot of funny anecdotes relating to attempted religious takeovers of the government, and how "accidental" tank columns misdirected through the middle of down town magically make the Islamists shut up. Western Turkey is a lot like modern Europe, and Eastern Turkey where I spent most of my time I would compare to rural West Virginia (taking their religiosity just as seriously but not moreso).agwood wrote:
The Turkish army absolutely has the obligation to remove the Government from power if they are starting to rule from a religious standpoint. I had been out in Diyarbakir in 2002 when they took a majority and there was a lot of very serious talk among our LNOs (Local National Observers) about what will happen if they get to wacko religious and it would be very quick and possibly messy depending.
I was just in Istanbul for vacation not too long ago myself.. man.. had a great time. BUT Istanbul does not equal the rest of Turkey it is soo very different from the rest of the country.
Exactly Cam. Istanbul is practically an exception in Turkey, and so are the cities along the Aegean shoreline which benefit from tourism. If you were to go to the mainland, you'd see that people live very different lives. It's like they're 300 years back...agwood wrote:
BUT Istanbul does not equal the rest of Turkey it is soo very different from the rest of the country.
but that is just istanbul and some other citys with western influence.CameronPoe wrote:
I'm actually not so worried about Turkey. I was in Istanbul last year and the place seemed to me to be Europe with Mosques. Men and women held hands in the street, locals drank beer and got wasted, consumerism was at the fore: I don't think Erdogan is as bad as the Turkish military are making out. In the constitution laid out by the father of Turkey and that bastion of secularity, Kemal Ataturk, the military will (and have in the past) step in to depose any government that tries to subvert the secular nature of the country. That aside, Erdogan has been in power for a while and he hasn't exactly been indulging in Taliban like governmental policy.
It's called democracy ...deal with it.Cougar wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/22/turkey.elections/index.html
Nice knowin ya. Have fun with the rest of the Islamic run wacko countries.
...and they were doing so good too. Shame, tsk tsk.
??[pt] KEIOS wrote:
you come from a country, where the genitals of young boys get mutilated...
Hey marine, do you have eunuchs there?usmarine2005 wrote:
??[pt] KEIOS wrote:
you come from a country, where the genitals of young boys get mutilated...
He's talking about Circumcision. Which isn't really mutilation but it still makes me cry.usmarine2005 wrote:
??[pt] KEIOS wrote:
you come from a country, where the genitals of young boys get mutilated...
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Hate to break it to you, but the foreskin is on the penis, not the genitals.[pt] KEIOS wrote:
ok. drop your pants and search for your foreskin.
many americans still believe, that there is a need to circumsize... even when there is no medical need in it at all. look at the majority /millions of europeans, who do not ever get any problems with their foreskin. but out of old traditions and irrational believes, you still cut of a functioning part of the genitals...
They cut a piece of skin from your penis, not your balls.[pt] KEIOS wrote:
ok. drop your pants and search for your foreskin.
many americans still believe, that there is a need to circumsize... even when there is no medical need in it at all. look at the majority /millions of europeans, who do not ever get any problems with their foreskin. but out of old traditions and irrational believes, you still cut of a functioning part of the genitals...
Last edited by [pt] KEIOS (2007-07-23 12:29:34)
ffs, thanks for that bit of irrelevance from the pecker patrol. it's not really the same result.[pt] KEIOS wrote:
ok. drop your pants and search for your foreskin.
many americans still believe, that there is a need to circumsize... even when there is no medical need in it at all. look at the majority /millions of europeans, who do not ever get any problems with their foreskin. but out of old traditions and irrational believes, you still cut of a functioning part of the genitals...
Ya and last time I checked there was not an outcry to stop circumcision.Havok wrote:
Hate to break it to you, but the foreskin is on the penis, not the genitals.
Doesn't your penis belong to you?[pt] KEIOS wrote:
the penis belongs to your genitals....