CameronPoe
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

My agenda?....as a combat veteran I despise Kerry...he got his fake medals... bugged out of Vietnam..and then established a political career on slandering his fellow veterans.
Do you have many medals? I've a purple heart myself. Got it on e-bay. It's reeeaallll shiny. I don't really see any value in obtaining a medal from the likes of Vietnam or the latest Iraq war. It's like a commendation for sticking your nose into someone else's business (when you should mind your own fucking business) and then completely fucking botching it. If I was sent on either of those missions I'd do my job and if I happened to receive a medal I'd refuse it on principle.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-23 16:14:03)

Braddock
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Point A: 4 months is 4 months longer than your dearly beloved George W. Bush served in Vietnam ...oh I forgot he was protecting Texas in the Texas Air National Guard in case Charlie made it over in their F16's.

Point B: How long did you serve in Vietnam that enables you to speak so flippantly about a four month stint there?
Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
RoosterCantrell
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I can't stand Bush, but I seriously wonder how we would be doing if Kerry was our President.
san4
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Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Point A: 4 months is 4 months longer than your dearly beloved George W. Bush served in Vietnam ...oh I forgot he was protecting Texas in the Texas Air National Guard in case Charlie made it over in their F16's.

Point B: How long did you serve in Vietnam that enables you to speak so flippantly about a four month stint there?
Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Bush supported the war in Vietnam, so why didn't he volunteer to go?
Braddock
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san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:


Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Bush supported the war in Vietnam, so why didn't he volunteer to go?
Because he was too busy being coked off his head back then.
san4
The Mas
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Braddock wrote:

san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Bush supported the war in Vietnam, so why didn't he volunteer to go?
Because he was too busy being coked off his head back then.
Why can people forgive Bush for being a drugged-out alcoholic but they can't forgive Kerry for speaking out against the war?
GATOR591957
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

"After returning from a tour of duty that lasted an astonishing four months"

I didn't know that.  Why was it only four months?
He got 3 "Band-Aid" purple Hearts in four months and was entitled to leave combat...amazing in only 4 months he got all those medals..what a Rambo.
At least he was there.  He didn't hide behind Daddy's coat strings in the National Guard.

John Kerry's Military Record per Wiki:

Military service (1966–1970)

Kerry joined the United States Navy Reserve during his senior year at Yale. He is quoted as saying that he decided to join the Navy after he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, and the draft board refused.[6] In addition, several of his classmates were enlisting in the armed services. Upon graduation from Yale, Kerry entered active duty and served until 1970, eventually reaching the rank of Lieutenant. Kerry was awarded several medals during his second tour of Vietnam, including the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. Kerry's military record has received considerable praise and criticism during his political career, especially during his unsuccessful 2004 bid for the presidency.

[edit] Commission, training, and tour of duty on the USS Gridley

On February 18, 1966, Kerry enlisted in the Naval Reserve.[9] He began his active duty military service on August 19, 1966. After completing sixteen weeks of Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island, Kerry received his officer's commission on December 16, 1966. During the 2004 election, Kerry posted his military records at his website, and permitted reporters to inspect his medical records. In 2005, Kerry released his military and medical records to the representatives of three news organizations, but has not authorized full public access to those records. [10][11]

Kerry's first tour of duty was as an ensign on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley in 1968. The executive officer of the Gridley described the deployment as: "We deployed from San Diego to the Vietnam theatre in early 1968 after only a six-month turnaround, and spent most of a four month deployment on rescue station in the Gulf of Tonkin, standing by to pick up downed aviators."

During his tour on the USS Gridley, Kerry requested duty in Vietnam, listing as his first preference a position as the commander of a Fast Patrol Craft (PCF), also known as a "Swift boat."[12] These 50-foot boats have aluminum hulls and have little or no armor, but are heavily armed and rely on speed. "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."[13] However, his second choice of billet was on a river patrol boat, or "PBR", which at the time was serving a more dangerous duty on the rivers of Vietnam.[12]

On June 16, 1968, Kerry was promoted to the rank of lieutenant, junior grade. On June 20, 1968, he left the Gridley for Swift boat training at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado.

[edit] Swift boat duty

On November 17, 1968, Kerry reported for duty at Coastal Squadron 1 in Cam Ranh Bay in South Vietnam. In his role as an officer in charge of Swift boats, Kerry led five-man crews on a number of patrols into enemy-controlled areas. His first command was Swift boat PCF-44, from December 6, 1968 to January 21, 1969, when the crew was disbanded. They were based at Coastal Division 13 at Cat Lo from December 13, 1968 to January 6, 1969. Otherwise, they were stationed at Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi. On January 30, 1969, Kerry took charge of PCF-94 and its crew, which he led until he departed An Thoi on March 26, 1969, and subsequently the crew was disbanded.[14]

On January 22, 1969, Kerry and several other officers had a meeting in Saigon with Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, the commander of U.S. Naval forces in Vietnam, and U.S. Army General Creighton Abrams, the overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam. Kerry and the other officers reported that the "free-fire zone" policy was alienating the Vietnamese and that the Swift boats' actions were not accomplishing their ostensible goal of interdicting Viet Cong supply lines. According to his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, Kerry and the other visiting officers felt their concerns were dismissed with what amounted to a pep talk ("Tour of Duty," pp. 254–261).

[edit] Military honors

During the night of December 2, 1968 and early morning of December 3, 1968, Kerry was in charge of a small boat operating near a peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay together with a Swift boat (PCF-60). According to Kerry and the two crewmen who accompanied him that night, Patrick Runyon and William Zaladonis, they surprised a group of men unloading sampans at a river crossing, who began running and failed to obey an order to stop. As the men fled, Kerry and his crew opened fire on the sampans and destroyed them, then rapidly left. During this encounter, Kerry received a minor wound in the left arm above the elbow. It was for this injury that Kerry received his first Purple Heart.[15]

Kerry received his second Purple Heart for a wound received in action on the Bo De River on February 20, 1969. The plan had been for the Swift boats to be accompanied by support helicopters. On the way up the Bo De, however, the helicopters were attacked. They returned to their base to refuel and were unable to return to the mission for several hours.

As the Swift boats reached the Cua Lon River, Kerry's boat was hit by a RPG round, and a piece of shrapnel hit Kerry's left leg, wounding him. Thereafter, they had no more trouble, and reached the Gulf of Thailand safely. Kerry still has shrapnel in his left thigh because the doctors tending to him decided to remove the damaged tissue and close the wound with sutures rather than make a wide opening to remove the shrapnel.[16] Kerry received his second Purple Heart for this injury, but like several others wounded earlier that day, he did not lose any time off from duty.[17][18]

Eight days later, on February 28, 1969, came the events for which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star. On this occasion, Kerry was in tactical command of his Swift boat and two others. Their mission included bringing a demolition team and dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers to destroy enemy sampans, structures and bunkers. Running into an ambush, Kerry "directed the boats to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions" and he "expertly directed" his boat's fire and coordinated the deployment of the South Vietnamese troops, according to the original medal citation (signed by Admiral Zumwalt). Going a short distance farther, Kerry's boat was the target of an RPG round; as the boat beached at the site, a VC with a rocket launcher jumped and ran from a spider hole. While the boat's gunner opened fire, wounding the VC on the leg, and while the other boats approached and offered cover fire, Kerry jumped from the boat and chased the VC and killed him, capturing a loaded rocket launcher.[19][20][21]

Kerry's commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander George Elliott, joked to Douglas Brinkley in 2003 that he didn't know whether to court-martial Kerry for beaching the boat without orders or give him a medal for saving the crew. Elliott recommended Kerry for the Silver Star, and Zumwalt flew into An Thoi to personally award medals to Kerry and the rest of the sailors involved in the mission. The Navy's account of Kerry's actions is presented in the original medal citation signed by Zumwalt. The engagement was documented in an after-action report, a press release written on March 1, 1969, and a historical summary dated March 17, 1969.[22]

On March 13, 1969, five Swift boats were returning to base together on the Bay Hap river from their missions that day, after a firefight earlier in the day (during which time Kerry received a slight shrapnel wound in the buttocks from blowing up a rice bunker), and debarking some but not all of the passengers at a small village. They approached a fishing weir (a series of poles across the river for hanging nets), so that one group of boats went around left, hugging the shore, and a group with Kerry's 94 boat went around right along the shoreline. A mine was detonated directly beneath the lead boat, PCF-3, as it crossed the weir to the left, lifting PCF-3 completely into the air.[23]

James Rassmann, a Green Beret advisor who was aboard PCF-94, was knocked overboard when, according to witnesses and the documentation of the event, a mine or rocket exploded close to the boat. According to the documentation for the event, Kerry's arm was injured when he was thrown against a bulkhead during the explosion. PCF 94 returned to the scene and Kerry rescued Rassmann from the water. Kerry received the Bronze Star for his actions during this incident; he also received his third Purple Heart.[24]

After the crew of PCF-3 had been rescued, and the most seriously wounded sailors evacuated by two of the PCFs, PCF 94 and another boat remained behind and helped salvage the stricken boat together with a damage-control party that had been immediately dispatched to the scene.

Last edited by GATOR591957 (2007-07-24 11:13:44)

Comrade Ogilvy
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CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

My agenda?....as a combat veteran I despise Kerry...he got his fake medals... bugged out of Vietnam..and then established a political career on slandering his fellow veterans.
Do you have many medals? I've a purple heart myself. Got it on e-bay. It's reeeaallll shiny. I don't really see any value in obtaining a medal from the likes of Vietnam or the latest Iraq war. It's like a commendation for sticking your nose into someone else's business (when you should mind your own fucking business) and then completely fucking botching it. If I was sent on either of those missions I'd do my job and if I happened to receive a medal I'd refuse it on principle.
Yeah...I got a couple....you must have got your  medals by playing some video game on your computer. Funny how you can always find lefty liberals on war game forums. Must be that they can get their aggression out without getting off their fat ass.
CameronPoe
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Yeah...I got a couple....you must have got your  medals by playing some video game on your computer. Funny how you can always find lefty liberals on war game forums. Must be that they can get their aggression out without getting off their fat ass.
'Lefty liberal' - any other clichés you'd like to throw out there; that one was particularly good.

PS I weigh 12 stone.
Comrade Ogilvy
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Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Point A: 4 months is 4 months longer than your dearly beloved George W. Bush served in Vietnam ...oh I forgot he was protecting Texas in the Texas Air National Guard in case Charlie made it over in their F16's.

Point B: How long did you serve in Vietnam that enables you to speak so flippantly about a four month stint there?
Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Flying fighter jets is a risky business even in Texas...but people like you elected a real draft dodger twice in Bill Klitoon.
CameronPoe
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Flying fighter jets is a risky business even in Texas...but people like you elected a real draft dodger twice in Bill Klitoon.
I don't think Braddock was eligible to vote Comrade. There happens to be an Atlantic ocean separating him from the nearest polling booth.
Comrade Ogilvy
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san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

san4 wrote:


Bush supported the war in Vietnam, so why didn't he volunteer to go?
Because he was too busy being coked off his head back then.
Why can people forgive Bush for being a drugged-out alcoholic but they can't forgive Kerry for speaking out against the war?
Drugged-out alcoholic?....Ted Kennedy has been one in office for decades...even killed a woman by his neglectfulness...he`s still a demorat hero.
Comrade Ogilvy
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CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Flying fighter jets is a risky business even in Texas...but people like you elected a real draft dodger twice in Bill Klitoon.
I don't think Braddock was eligible to vote Comrade. There happens to be an Atlantic ocean separating him from the nearest polling booth.
So..... he would have if he could.
Comrade Ogilvy
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CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Yeah...I got a couple....you must have got your  medals by playing some video game on your computer. Funny how you can always find lefty liberals on war game forums. Must be that they can get their aggression out without getting off their fat ass.
'Lefty liberal' - any other clichés you'd like to throw out there; that one was particularly good.

PS I weigh 12 stone.
PS I weigh 12 stone= Euroweenie speak.
CameronPoe
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Yeah...I got a couple....you must have got your  medals by playing some video game on your computer. Funny how you can always find lefty liberals on war game forums. Must be that they can get their aggression out without getting off their fat ass.
'Lefty liberal' - any other clichés you'd like to throw out there; that one was particularly good.

PS I weigh 12 stone.
PS I weigh 12 stone= Euroweenie speak.
Wow. I'm sorry but in Europe obesity is not a badge of honour.
Comrade Ogilvy
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san4 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:


Bush did his duty...but he didn`t run on being a fake war hero did he.

One year....
Bush did his duty? Did he see much combat in Texas I wonder? No risk of him getting a medal for getting injured.

As a veteran how does it make you feel to see a man who didn't have the balls to fight in Vietnam (and used family connections and power to secure a domestic defence position, so as to avoid combat in Vietnam itself) sending so many brave, disillusioned young men out to die in Iraq? It would piss me off. You seem to be focusing all your annoyance on a guy who didn't even get into office anyway.
Bush supported the war in Vietnam, so why didn't he volunteer to go?
Do you have a source saying he supported the war in Vietnam at that time...I didn`t support the war at that time either..but I got drafted.
Comrade Ogilvy
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CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


'Lefty liberal' - any other clichés you'd like to throw out there; that one was particularly good.

PS I weigh 12 stone.
PS I weigh 12 stone= Euroweenie speak.
Wow. I'm sorry but in Europe obesity is not a badge of honour.
I hear you people are getting as fat as anyone else over there...but Europeans are so much better than we are.


Haaaaaaaa....Haaaaaaaaa...
Braddock
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:


Flying fighter jets is a risky business even in Texas...but people like you elected a real draft dodger twice in Bill Klitoon.
I don't think Braddock was eligible to vote Comrade. There happens to be an Atlantic ocean separating him from the nearest polling booth.
So..... he would have if he could.
Wow ...a psychic war hero no less?

I'm quite happy in my own country with our proportional representation democracy, thanks. I personally think the US two party system is fucked and that both sides are as bad as the other. You seem to me to be yet another label obsessed forum-user. You've been posting for a few days now with a seemingly 'militant' anti-democrat/anti-leftist agenda and yet seem perfectly happy to overlook all the failings of Bush and all his compadres on the right. I don't religiously pledge allegiance to any party or viewpoint, I take things as they come and can admit there are cock-knockers in every part of politics. You should try being a little more open-minded.

P.S. For future reference Éire is Irish for Ireland.
CameronPoe
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

PS I weigh 12 stone= Euroweenie speak.
Wow. I'm sorry but in Europe obesity is not a badge of honour.
I hear you people are getting as fat as anyone else over there...but Europeans are so much better than we are.


Haaaaaaaa....Haaaaaaaaa...
No I didn't say Europeans are better than Americans. I implied that Europeans are better than you.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-24 15:40:29)

usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

I implied that Europeans are better than you.
Even Tony Blair?
CameronPoe
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usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I implied that Europeans are better than you.
Even Tony Blair?
lol
PureFodder
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I implied that Europeans are better than you.
Even Tony Blair?
lol
Now that would be an insult!
Comrade Ogilvy
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Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


I don't think Braddock was eligible to vote Comrade. There happens to be an Atlantic ocean separating him from the nearest polling booth.
So..... he would have if he could.
Wow ...a psychic war hero no less?

I'm quite happy in my own country with our proportional representation democracy, thanks. I personally think the US two party system is fucked and that both sides are as bad as the other. You seem to me to be yet another label obsessed forum-user. You've been posting for a few days now with a seemingly 'militant' anti-democrat/anti-leftist agenda and yet seem perfectly happy to overlook all the failings of Bush and all his compadres on the right. I don't religiously pledge allegiance to any party or viewpoint, I take things as they come and can admit there are cock-knockers in every part of politics. You should try being a little more open-minded.

P.S. For future reference Éire is Irish for Ireland.
Who says I consider my self a war hero...I was a reluctant draftee that did his job.


P.S. For future reference Éire is Irish for Ireland...


Reminds me of that saying from a Johnny Rotten Album...NO BLACKS...NO DOGS...NO IRISH....Haaaaaaa....Haaaaa...
Comrade Ogilvy
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CameronPoe wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Wow. I'm sorry but in Europe obesity is not a badge of honour.
I hear you people are getting as fat as anyone else over there...but Europeans are so much better than we are.


Haaaaaaaa....Haaaaaaaaa...
No I didn't say Europeans are better than Americans. I implied that Europeans are better than you.
"I implied that Europeans are better than you"....A lot of Americans are better than me!!!!!!


Haaaaaaaa....Haaaaaaaaa....
Braddock
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Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:


So..... he would have if he could.
Wow ...a psychic war hero no less?

I'm quite happy in my own country with our proportional representation democracy, thanks. I personally think the US two party system is fucked and that both sides are as bad as the other. You seem to me to be yet another label obsessed forum-user. You've been posting for a few days now with a seemingly 'militant' anti-democrat/anti-leftist agenda and yet seem perfectly happy to overlook all the failings of Bush and all his compadres on the right. I don't religiously pledge allegiance to any party or viewpoint, I take things as they come and can admit there are cock-knockers in every part of politics. You should try being a little more open-minded.

P.S. For future reference Éire is Irish for Ireland.
Who says I consider my self a war hero...I was a reluctant draftee that did his job.


P.S. For future reference Éire is Irish for Ireland...


Reminds me of that saying from a Johnny Rotten Album...NO BLACKS...NO DOGS...NO IRISH....Haaaaaaa....Haaaaa...
Haaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaa

At least you've proved the European sense of humour is better than the American sense of humour.

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