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http://www.stuff.co.nz/4140521a12.html
US medical students graduate debt-free in Cuba
Reuters | Wednesday, 25 July 2007

Eight Americans have graduated from a Cuban medical school after six years of studies fully funded by Fidel Castro's government.

They plan to return home, take board exams for licenses to practice and provide cheap health care in poor neighbourhoods.

"Cuba offered us full scholarships to study medicine here. In exchange, we commit ourselves to go back to our communities to provide health care to underserved people," said Carmen Landau, 30, of Oakland, California.

The programme is part of Castro's pet project to send thousands of Cuban doctors abroad to tend to the poor in developing countries, such as Venezuela and Bolivia, and train tens of thousand of medical students from developing countries in Cuba.

Officials in Cuba's communist government relish the idea of training doctors for the United States, its arch-enemy since Castro took power in a leftist revolution in 1959.

The ailing Cuban leader, 80, did not attend the graduation for 850 students from 25 countries at Havana's Karl Marx theatre. He has not appeared in public since intestinal surgery forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro a year ago.

There are 88 Americans studying medicine in Cuba. The first to graduate two years ago was Cedric Edwards, who is now working at Montefiore Hospital in New York City's Bronx borough.

The US students praised Cuba's universal, free health-care system, which is community based and focuses on preventing illness before it becomes more serious and costly, in contrast to the US health industry indicted for being profit-based in Michael Moore's recent film "SiCKO."

"We have studied medicine with a humanitarian approach," said Kenya Bingham, 29, of Alameda, California.

"Health care is not seen as a business in Cuba. When you are sick, they are not going to try to charge you or turn you away if you don't have insurance," she said.

The main difference in studying in Cuba was that there was no charge and the graduates can begin their practice debt-free, said Jose De Leon, 27, from Oakland.

"When medical doctors graduate in the United States they are usually in debt, between $US250,000 ($NZ315,099) to $US500,000, and spend the first 10 years of their careers paying it off," he said.

That, Landau said, requires rushing patients in and out to earn more.

"'SiCKO' was an inspiration," said Landau, who plans to return to the United States to help promote the creation of a universal health-care system.

"It is a wonderful idea that makes total sense in every country, especially in one with so many resources. If they can do it in Cuba, we can do it in the United States," she said.
JahManRed
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Cuba. Now there is a country the USA could learn from.
Cybargs
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Won't they get arrested or something because of the US law forbidding it's citizens entering Cuba?
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Wolphoenix
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Considering that the US took in lots of Nazi docters simply cos they experimented on human beings im not surprised
GorillaTicTacs
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Wolphoenix wrote:

Considering that the US took in lots of Nazi docters simply cos they experimented on human beings im not surprised
That's only about 1/4 of the story actually.  Operation Paperclip in Europe also took in some of their best propogandists and put them on the CIA payroll, hence the 1950's paranoia about the Red Menace that still lingers to this day.

The other part of the story is that the Japanese doctors performing similar experiments in China (including on captured American troops) got off completely scott free.  Not a single one saw a war crimes trial.  All research and a few of their scientists also worked its way to the CIA with a full pardon from MacArthur.
Zodiaccup
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Won't they get arrested or something because of the US law forbidding it's citizens entering Cuba?
Common belief holds that U.S. citizens and foreign residents are forbidden by law to travel to Cuba. This is not true.
m3thod
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GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Wolphoenix wrote:

Considering that the US took in lots of Nazi docters simply cos they experimented on human beings im not surprised
That's only about 1/4 of the story actually.  Operation Paperclip in Europe also took in some of their best propogandists and put them on the CIA payroll, hence the 1950's paranoia about the Red Menace that still lingers to this day.

The other part of the story is that the Japanese doctors performing similar experiments in China (including on captured American troops) got off completely scott free.  Not a single one saw a war crimes trial.  All research and a few of their scientists also worked its way to the CIA with a full pardon from MacArthur.
Ah, you mean Unit 731 where a internship meant:

1.  Your stomach removed and your oesophagus attached to your bowels
2.  Grenade experiment on live humans
3.  Frostbite experiments
4.  Experiments on fetuses where the doc has previously impregnated the woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

The US and Russia simply waved all charges as long as they got hold of the results.  Don't you just love em?
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r2zoo
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m3thod wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Wolphoenix wrote:

Considering that the US took in lots of Nazi docters simply cos they experimented on human beings im not surprised
That's only about 1/4 of the story actually.  Operation Paperclip in Europe also took in some of their best propogandists and put them on the CIA payroll, hence the 1950's paranoia about the Red Menace that still lingers to this day.

The other part of the story is that the Japanese doctors performing similar experiments in China (including on captured American troops) got off completely scott free.  Not a single one saw a war crimes trial.  All research and a few of their scientists also worked its way to the CIA with a full pardon from MacArthur.
Ah, you mean Unit 731 where a internship meant:

1.  Your stomach removed and your oesophagus attached to your bowels
2.  Grenade experiment on live humans
3.  Frostbite experiments
4.  Experiments on fetuses where the doc has previously impregnated the woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

The US and Russia simply waved all charges as long as they got hold of the results.  Don't you just love em?
It was different times, much like the Americans killing all the Indians off, at the time seemed fine, until the full repurcussions were learned years later.

As for the Cuban education, it just seems to me that Cuba is trying to improve its worldwide appearance by offering all sorts of goodies to other countries to try and improve realtions, but as far as I see it, once Castro finally dies and a new ruler takes his place the US may begin communications and trade once more depending on who(other then his brother) will take his place.
usmarine
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JahManRed wrote:

Cuba. Now there is a country the USA could learn from.
Ya I'm gonna hop in a raft and float 90 miles across the ocean to get there.
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usmarine2005 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Cuba. Now there is a country the USA could learn from.
Ya I'm gonna hop in a raft and float 90 miles across the ocean to get there.
Bye.
usmarine
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topal63 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Cuba. Now there is a country the USA could learn from.
Ya I'm gonna hop in a raft and float 90 miles across the ocean to get there.
Bye.
Hush kid.
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usmarine2005 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Cuba. Now there is a country the USA could learn from.
Ya I'm gonna hop in a raft and float 90 miles across the ocean to get there.
lol
topal63
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usmarine2005 wrote:

topal63 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Ya I'm gonna hop in a raft and float 90 miles across the ocean to get there.
Bye.
Hush kid.
Just one more instance of you being entirely wrong.
usmarine
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topal63 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

topal63 wrote:


Bye.
Hush kid.
Just one more instance of you being entirely wrong.
Like I know?  It was a guess since you missed the point of what I was saying.....
jonsimon
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Cuban doctors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US doctors. It's a fact.

Hell, Cuba traded doctors for oil with venezuela.

Last edited by jonsimon (2007-07-25 10:23:13)

blisteringsilence
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jonsimon wrote:

Cuban doctors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US doctors. It's a fact.

Hell, Cuba traded doctors for oil with venezuela.
Obviously, Cuba trains better docs than the US. That's why there are so many critical advances in medicine that take place in Cuba. And why people fly from all over the world to be treated there.  I mean, their docs can cure your syphallis by just looking at it.





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The supposed high point of "Sicko" is a trip to Cuba he makes with some rescue workers who claim various injuries from responding to the 9/11 attacks. After a quick tour of Havana, he trots them off to a gleaming hospital where they receive top-notch medical care. Moore assures us that the care is exactly the same as a typical Cuban would receive.

Not quite. Anthony Boadle, the Havana correspondent for Reuters, reported that the hospital featured in the film was "Cuba's flagship hospital with a view of the Caribbean sea, a sharp contrast to many Cuban hospitals that are crumbling, badly lit, and which lack equipment and medicines."

Moore also glosses over the fact that the average Cuban lives in conditions that would appall the typical American. When I traveled there in 1994, I was amazed to find people raising pigs and chickens in the halls of what had once been gracious apartment buildings. The livestock supplements a diet of rice, beans and not much else. This points to the sole unique accomplishment of the Cuban socialists in the area of health care: They have cured obesity. I kept waiting for just one lighthearted moment during which Moore would contrast his own immense bulk with the trim physiques of the Cubans.

But there are no light moments in "Sicko." Moore pounds his points home the same way those immense hams of his pound the sidewalks as he visits Canada, Cuba, France and England.

The central premise of the movie is Moore's assertion that "we remain the only country in the Western world without free and universal health care." This is nonsense. Moore spends day after day in France, for example, without discovering that the French do not have a no-fee system like the English, but in fact have a system of basic insurance, supplemental insurance and co-pays. The typical resident of neighboring Germany, meanwhile, has 14 percent of gross pay deducted for a so-called "sickness fund." The big difference between other countries and the United States is not that they have free health coverage. It's that they have mandatory health coverage.

And even those countries that have entirely state-run systems are not quite as "free" as Moore makes them out to be. Early in the movie, he highlights the case of an American couple with a deaf child whose insurance company would not pay for cochlear implants in both ears. Being able to hear from just one ear was sufficient, the company said.

That may sound cruel, but according to a recent article in the Nottingham Post, an English family was told the same thing by the national health service there. The big difference was that the American company eventually relented and let the kid have his implants. As for the English kid, his parents had to shell out $63,000 for the second im plant.

Moore highlights an American cancer victim who died after he was denied a bone-marrow transplant. But that patient might not have fared any better in England, where a so-called "post-code lot tery" either awards or denies treatment to patients based on how much money is in the budget of the health care district in which they live.


http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf … amp;coll=1

Last edited by Comrade Ogilvy (2007-07-25 13:15:19)

GunSlinger OIF II
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a doctor is a doctor.  they teach you the same medical techniques here that they do in Bangladesh
RECONDO67
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Cuba it's a very generous country to outsiders and not to locals (never understood that)
My cousin went to medicine school in Cuba for free for 5 years and he got hes master in pediatric for free and all they asked in return was for him to let others know that Communism was not a bad thing.
Comrade Ogilvy
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RECONDO67 wrote:

Cuba it's a very generous country to outsiders and not to locals (never understood that)
My cousin went to medicine school in Cuba for free for 5 years and he got hes master in pediatric for free and all they asked in return was for him to let others know that Communism was not a bad thing.
Yeah...the commie system has always been good  to it`s people...just ask the millions of people murdered  by Stalin and Mao. Hey RECONDO67 I went through that school in 1969....love the patch!

Last edited by Comrade Ogilvy (2007-07-25 13:36:37)

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