Then again no further Islamic extremist attacks have occured on US soil either.CameronPoe wrote:
How on God's green earth can you read my post and come up with the ludicrous suggestion that 'those people deserved to be killed'? Christ on a fucking bicycle this forum gets stranger every day! Not that the Spanish did anything as a direct consequence of the Madrid bombings I can happily inform you that NO further Islamic extremist attacks have occurred on Spanish soil.David.P wrote:
So you're saying those people deserved to be killed? They still gave into terror,They showed the terrorists they were easily influenced, Also did it stop any more attacks from happening? Uh No. I'm not against democracy just pussy's bending over(Kinda like they do in Hippie infested San Francisco)
1. Don't you get it idiot? It doesn't matter i think, it's changing the mindset of the terrorists and those that support them that counts. Good luck with that!David.P wrote:
1. Thats because your too blindsighted by your hatred.m3thod wrote:
I see no difference and more importantly the neither do the crazy ones. Unless you can show me the light?
Defence Spending? hahaha! good one. Try forced implementation of apartheid policies using military suppression.
I'll ignore that second sentence because, well it's you.
BTW you'll find ikarti lurks in these forums and what he does is up to him.
2. So you'd rather have 100 palestinian suicide bombings a day against civilains then 1 israeli surgical strike against those that build the bombs?
3. He's your minion and he failed. Next time do it yourself.
Bullshit he came after me telling me that you owned me. I guess now that he failed you've disposed of him? Just like Dr.Evil.
2. I'd rather the root cause of the problem i.e. the land issue was tackled....not that would ever enter your brain.
3. I've got better things to do that chase a angst filled teenager loser around Battlefield 2.
Sooooo, you might want to take a break kid, your fury laden posts of late could do you some damage.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
...........YET......CameronPoe wrote:
How on God's green earth can you read my post and come up with the ludicrous suggestion that 'those people deserved to be killed'? Christ on a fucking bicycle this forum gets stranger every day! Not that the Spanish did anything as a direct consequence of the Madrid bombings I can happily inform you that NO further Islamic extremist attacks have occurred on Spanish soil.David.P wrote:
So you're saying those people deserved to be killed? They still gave into terror,They showed the terrorists they were easily influenced, Also did it stop any more attacks from happening? Uh No. I'm not against democracy just pussy's bending over(Kinda like they do in Hippie infested San Francisco)
I can happily say that no attacks have occurred on American soil either...oh, we are still in Iraq...what happened?
Damn...MOAB beat me to it....more the merrier.
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The leadership of Saudi Arabia enforce Wahabi islam as the state religion. This is the exact type of brainwashing that produces the types who conducted the 9/11 attacks. Read my Islamocaust Heavy for further details. The government does not support terrorism - of course they don't - they are too busy selling oil to the west - but the way they run their country makes it practically a conveyor belt for extremists.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
It does matter because people keep bringing this up trying to paint the leadership of Saudi Arabia as responsible for this. Al-qaida purposely recruits Saudis for the sole fact that they want a division between the United States government and the Saudi leadership. The Saudi government is NOT training, arming or supporting individual Saudis who choose to go and fight in Iraq. In fact, the Saudi Arabian government is a target of Al-qaida. AQ wants nothing less than for the Saudi government to fall.
I am getting tired of people trying to now insert the Saudi government as a supporter of terrorists...they are not. Is the Saudi government free from corruption and problems...of course not..but they are not supporting terrorists. Now, it is a fact that there have been Iranian agents and Kuuds forces caught in Iraq...the Kuuds are supported by the Iranian government and Syria....I won't say it is a fact but if you look at the most recent dealings between Iran and Syria....they are definitely in bed together. Syria also is trying to play a role in the outcome of Iraq and does support terrorism.
Iran and Syria are quite entitled to build up an alliance together by the way. Not least for the fact they are practically neighbours and have shared interests.
As far as a I can gather the House of Saud is deeply unpopular in Saudi Arabia and is destined to fall. Maybe not today, maybe not next year but it eventually will. Your fixation with Iran blinds you to the real sickly regimes of the middle east - those of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The revolution is coming in those countries.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
People need to remember to differentiate between terrorists, where they are from and what governments support them. Just because a higher number of foreign fighters are from Saudi Arabia does not automatically mean the the government of Saudi is responsible....far from it. Why would terrorists be targeting the Saudi government if the Saudi government is supporting terrorism....doesn't make sense, attacking a partner in crime?
PS Why do you favour Saudi Arabia so much when they also refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the of state of Israel, much like Iran?
The fact of the matter is that they will happen on whatever soil the extremists pick and choose to attack. Any piece of soil whatsoever. And there isn't the slightest little thing that will prevent the inevitability of it.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
...........YET......CameronPoe wrote:
How on God's green earth can you read my post and come up with the ludicrous suggestion that 'those people deserved to be killed'? Christ on a fucking bicycle this forum gets stranger every day! Not that the Spanish did anything as a direct consequence of the Madrid bombings I can happily inform you that NO further Islamic extremist attacks have occurred on Spanish soil.David.P wrote:
So you're saying those people deserved to be killed? They still gave into terror,They showed the terrorists they were easily influenced, Also did it stop any more attacks from happening? Uh No. I'm not against democracy just pussy's bending over(Kinda like they do in Hippie infested San Francisco)
I can happily say that no attacks have occurred on American soil either...oh, we are still in Iraq...what happened?
Damn...MOAB beat me to it....more the merrier.
And why would they (terrorists) have to go anywhere - when their US target is right in front of them in Iraq? Terrorism against the US for dummies, planned by dummies.CameronPoe wrote:
The fact of the matter is that they will happen on whatever soil the extremists pick and choose to attack. Any piece of soil whatsoever. And there isn't the slightest little thing that will prevent the inevitability of it.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
...........YET......CameronPoe wrote:
How on God's green earth can you read my post and come up with the ludicrous suggestion that 'those people deserved to be killed'? Christ on a fucking bicycle this forum gets stranger every day! Not that the Spanish did anything as a direct consequence of the Madrid bombings I can happily inform you that NO further Islamic extremist attacks have occurred on Spanish soil.
I can happily say that no attacks have occurred on American soil either...oh, we are still in Iraq...what happened?
Damn...MOAB beat me to it....more the merrier.
It is so stupid this "bring it to them" argument. Yes, lets bring young men to Iraq to be killed. A battleship, a US embassy, etc, as based upon previous argument and points raised - in fact these are instances of US soil. So isn't any US army unit/the military going to Iraq - in effect bringing US soil to the middle east?
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1. Idiot? I'm not the one supporting suicide bombers blowing up orphanages full of "Infidel" children.m3thod wrote:
1. Don't you get it idiot? It doesn't matter i think, it's changing the mindset of the terrorists and those that support them that counts. Good luck with that!David.P wrote:
1. Thats because your too blindsighted by your hatred.m3thod wrote:
I see no difference and more importantly the neither do the crazy ones. Unless you can show me the light?
Defence Spending? hahaha! good one. Try forced implementation of apartheid policies using military suppression.
I'll ignore that second sentence because, well it's you.
BTW you'll find ikarti lurks in these forums and what he does is up to him.
2. So you'd rather have 100 palestinian suicide bombings a day against civilains then 1 israeli surgical strike against those that build the bombs?
3. He's your minion and he failed. Next time do it yourself.
Bullshit he came after me telling me that you owned me. I guess now that he failed you've disposed of him? Just like Dr.Evil.
2. I'd rather the root cause of the problem i.e. the land issue was tackled....not that would ever enter your brain.
3. I've got better things to do that chase a angst filled teenager loser around Battlefield 2.
Sooooo, you might want to take a break kid, your fury laden posts of late could do you some damage.
2. Well lets see before 67 palestine was alot bigger but they had to attack did'nt they? Btw personall attacks? Ok lets dance!
3. Ya your right, I'm told old for you, Go and chase of a few young boys with Micheal Jackson in Bahrain when your there next time.
Will do! I'm gonna go and piss of the Liberal's meeting tonight in brooklyn. Red meat and I support the troops buttons for the win!
Im sorry,,but you are a jack ass. First, did I not say that the Saudi government is corrupt?...BINGO..yes I did, so why try arguing with me about that. I already know it and I already know what the Saudi government is truly about. Secondly, yes Iran and Syria are an alliance but my point was that they are supporting and arming terrorists and working together to derail peace with Israel. Third, I make several posts in regards to a OP that was about Iran and all the sudden I have a fixation...??? If anyone has a fixation, its you and your fixation with yourself and your "greater than though" attitude. I don't have a fixation with any one country, I have made that a point over and over again by trying to get you to focus on something other the than the U.S and Israel. Calling me fixated is just another one of your two-faced comments.CameronPoe wrote:
The leadership of Saudi Arabia enforce Wahabi islam as the state religion. This is the exact type of brainwashing that produces the types who conducted the 9/11 attacks. Read my Islamocaust Heavy for further details. The government does not support terrorism - of course they don't - they are too busy selling oil to the west - but the way they run their country makes it practically a conveyor belt for extremists.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
It does matter because people keep bringing this up trying to paint the leadership of Saudi Arabia as responsible for this. Al-qaida purposely recruits Saudis for the sole fact that they want a division between the United States government and the Saudi leadership. The Saudi government is NOT training, arming or supporting individual Saudis who choose to go and fight in Iraq. In fact, the Saudi Arabian government is a target of Al-qaida. AQ wants nothing less than for the Saudi government to fall.
I am getting tired of people trying to now insert the Saudi government as a supporter of terrorists...they are not. Is the Saudi government free from corruption and problems...of course not..but they are not supporting terrorists. Now, it is a fact that there have been Iranian agents and Kuuds forces caught in Iraq...the Kuuds are supported by the Iranian government and Syria....I won't say it is a fact but if you look at the most recent dealings between Iran and Syria....they are definitely in bed together. Syria also is trying to play a role in the outcome of Iraq and does support terrorism.
Iran and Syria are quite entitled to build up an alliance together by the way. Not least for the fact they are practically neighbours and have shared interests.As far as a I can gather the House of Saud is deeply unpopular in Saudi Arabia and is destined to fall. Maybe not today, maybe not next year but it eventually will. Your fixation with Iran blinds you to the real sickly regimes of the middle east - those of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The revolution is coming in those countries.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
People need to remember to differentiate between terrorists, where they are from and what governments support them. Just because a higher number of foreign fighters are from Saudi Arabia does not automatically mean the the government of Saudi is responsible....far from it. Why would terrorists be targeting the Saudi government if the Saudi government is supporting terrorism....doesn't make sense, attacking a partner in crime?
PS Why do you favour Saudi Arabia so much when they also refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the of state of Israel, much like Iran?
I disagree with Surge on many things, like I disagree with you. The difference is that I respect Surge much more because he at least can admit when he is wrong. He has the guts to say what he feels but then realize that sometimes it isn't quite right. I can never see you doing that Cam. You basically believe that you are only person who has the only answers. You even try to argue about something I had already agreed with you in my post. Finally, where did I ever say I favored Saudi Arabia over anyone? My only point was that people need to quit trying to link the high number of Saudi fighters to the Saudi government. You know and I know that isn't right....but still...how the hell does it say I favor it. I am stating simple truths....NOT TAKING SIDES!! So please, keep putting words in my mouth, keep trying to argue with me over stuff I already know and understand....your BS is not teaching me anything I don't already know. My point was simple, it was true...why try to twist it?
I'm sorry if I repeat something that has already been stated(I really couldn't bother reading all these (mostly) stupid posts) but most of you need to grow the f**k up! Yes, Iran is not a nice, cuddly democracy. Do we as western democracies have the right to bomb the shit out of them for that? No. And please, will all you americans pull your heads out of your asses and just look at what you have been doing to much of the world lately? Now, being a swede, I am not at all without guilt here. We happily deal in arms worldwide(although we shouldn't be selling weapons to countries engaged in armed conflict) and that is wrong. I belive the only way we can change countries like Iran is to treat them as adults and not try to steal their oil all the time.
Izzy
Izzy
OMG...you finally get it. Terrorist will attack anyone, wherever they please!!!! Haven't you said that attacks on our soil shouldn't happen if we tighten up borders and protect ourselves better. You have said that numerous times...but now you say this? You confuse the hell out of me sometimes. You need to become a politician because you are great at speaking out both sides of your mouth.CameronPoe wrote:
The fact of the matter is that they will happen on whatever soil the extremists pick and choose to attack. Any piece of soil whatsoever. And there isn't the slightest little thing that will prevent the inevitability of it.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
...........YET......CameronPoe wrote:
How on God's green earth can you read my post and come up with the ludicrous suggestion that 'those people deserved to be killed'? Christ on a fucking bicycle this forum gets stranger every day! Not that the Spanish did anything as a direct consequence of the Madrid bombings I can happily inform you that NO further Islamic extremist attacks have occurred on Spanish soil.
I can happily say that no attacks have occurred on American soil either...oh, we are still in Iraq...what happened?
Damn...MOAB beat me to it....more the merrier.
It's a fine outcome, don't get me wrong. Perhaps diplomacy is the way forward, eh? Personally I think Iran should be allowed to neutralise the military threat against itself from regional enemies through the development of a deterrent. Even Israeli intelligence (probably the best in the world) concedes that Iran would not be likely to fire nuclear missiles at Israel if they managed to develop them. Personally I'm all for parity of esteem. If we treat Iran like adults, it will be reciprocated. Much like the situation with Korea.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
You are wrong. Don't confuse the two. It is not reward, at least they are taking steps to allow verification. Now you are against that? You want another Iraq? Of course this is better and the international community can verify the promises.
How on earth can we be privy to so much information on military deals between Syria and Iran? So much misinformation gets printed about the company I work for and the sector I work in (public sector) that I find it odd that journalists would be furnished with such saucy and secretive information. It sounds like typical demonisation journalism.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
First, READ what I said. I did NOT say they sold nuclear weapons...I said they are trading Nuclear and Chemical weapons TECHNOLOGY The chemical weapons charge was reported by the arab media. The Iranian spokesman would not deny or confirm this. I actually talked about this in another thread. I am not anti-iran..I am anti-Iranian political BS.
Israel have been imposed on the middle east by us - the west - and millions of homeless and stateless refugees now sit in squalor in camps across the entire middle east as a result. And the land stealth continues. Everybody knows that there will never be even so much as a sniff of peace in the middle east if this core legacy of colonialism and western interference is not addressed.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
a) No...it is not an international issue as you always say, it is a middle east issue and the U.S. should butt out..so when did your own words change? International or not....you have said both, probably depends what you want to promote....a true politician.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree here. I find it amazing that you expect every human on earth, from aborigines to Amazonian cannibals, to all-of-a-sudden fast forward several centuries just because a segment of the globe has become 'enlightened'. For me, Darfur is an issue for the Sudanese people, Myanmar is an issue for the Burmese people and Iran is an issue for the Iranian people, pure and simple.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
b) No...It is a human rights issue and that concerns human kind regardless of where human rights abuses happen. To strip such human rights abuses down to a domestic issue is an easy way just to avoid the topic. Also, yes the west has sent gays to prison in the past but it doesn't make it acceptable in this day and age...is that an excuse to accept it in these days because a region hasn't grown up....BULLSHIT.
PS You speak of intervening in Iran in the interests of human rights. Do you intend to intervene in Saudi Arabia in the interest of human rights? You could perhaps prioritise Saudi Arabia because of the two human rights abusers presented it is marginally worse. Perhaps address nuclear-capable Pakistan while you're at it.
I'll take your word for it. But I don't recall such posts.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
BULLSHIT....I have made plenty of posts about the legitimate cause of the Palestinian people. MANY times. My problem with the palestinian issue is that radical Islam has high-jacked that cause and until those elements are uprooted, then the real Palestinian fight will fail. The Palestinian people are caught between two hard places. As long as radical Islam uses that cause to attack Israel....Israel will not relent. I have stated this over and over and over....READ!
Not that I agree with intervention in the domestic affairs of another country, how do you prioritise?DeathBecomesYu wrote:
You have described my point that I have tried to say to you and the tunnel vision posters on this site. You kNOW I have stated that there problems all over the world. That you focus way, way, way too much on a few (typically America and Israel). I have repeatedly stated that there are things going on all over the world that need to be addressed. I focused on Iran here because that is what the thread is about....duh!!! I recognize all the other problems you have mentioned and my point is that all of these problems are deserving and there are many governments deserving of our time and criticism....NOT just a few!!
PS Part of the reason I don't believe in intervention is because I don't see why anyone else would have the RIGHT to interfere. It's like getting involved in marital violence on the street - the likely upshot will be you being told to fuck off by both parties.
Iran is a problem to Israel. On a personal level, it isn't a problem for me and it isn't a problem for you. On an emotional level it seems to be a problem for you. All I can say on that note is that I have to agree to disagree with you. Those I care about are Europeans, Americans (as they are fellow westerners), Latin Americans (due to past ties and an interest in the political scene there) and some Antipodeans. The rest of the world has some growing up to do. I don't think we should be the angry parent scolding the misguided teenager who will eventually find their way.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
This thread was put out by ATG to show what is going on in Iran and if you read the OP at the bottom you will see his point of how Iran is not only a problem at home but is a problem and threat to many outside its borders. Whether you agree or not..Iran is a problem and as a human being, human rights is an issue regardless of borders and it should be for all. You want to break everything down to domestic and international...NO...I won't, wrong is wrong....human rights are universal and should be faced wherever they may be abused..whether it is in the U.S., Iran, or in Greenland....it doesn't matter. The human race should care regardless....sorry that you don't care about people outside your border or because it isn't about the Palestinians.
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cough...em...cough...what? Who in any of these posts is talking about bombing Iran...other than sarcastically saying it.if you had read any of this..you would see that your post is kind of irrelevant. Secondly, how can you treat Iran (its government) as adults when they pass out judgements like cavemen, treating their people like they do. ATG was simply making a point about educating some of you to what he feels is going on in this backwards regime. Lastly...who is trying to steal Iran's oil..........how does this pertain to the OP?????Izgard wrote:
I'm sorry if I repeat something that has already been stated(I really couldn't bother reading all these (mostly) stupid posts) but most of you need to grow the f**k up! Yes, Iran is not a nice, cuddly democracy. Do we as western democracies have the right to bomb the shit out of them for that? No. And please, will all you americans pull your heads out of your asses and just look at what you have been doing to much of the world lately? Now, being a swede, I am not at all without guilt here. We happily deal in arms worldwide(although we shouldn't be selling weapons to countries engaged in armed conflict) and that is wrong. I belive the only way we can change countries like Iran is to treat them as adults and not try to steal their oil all the time.
Izzy
Try again, please. Be a little more relevant.
You're not right in the head.David.P wrote:
1. Idiot? I'm not the one supporting suicide bombers blowing up orphanages full of "Infidel" children.m3thod wrote:
1. Don't you get it idiot? It doesn't matter i think, it's changing the mindset of the terrorists and those that support them that counts. Good luck with that!David.P wrote:
1. Thats because your too blindsighted by your hatred.
2. So you'd rather have 100 palestinian suicide bombings a day against civilains then 1 israeli surgical strike against those that build the bombs?
3. He's your minion and he failed. Next time do it yourself.
Bullshit he came after me telling me that you owned me. I guess now that he failed you've disposed of him? Just like Dr.Evil.
2. I'd rather the root cause of the problem i.e. the land issue was tackled....not that would ever enter your brain.
3. I've got better things to do that chase a angst filled teenager loser around Battlefield 2.
Sooooo, you might want to take a break kid, your fury laden posts of late could do you some damage.
2. Well lets see before 67 palestine was alot bigger but they had to attack did'nt they? Btw personall attacks? Ok lets dance!
3. Ya your right, I'm told old for you, Go and chase of a few young boys with Micheal Jackson in Bahrain when your there next time.
Will do! I'm gonna go and piss of the Liberal's meeting tonight in brooklyn. Red meat and I support the troops buttons for the win!
Just how does stating it is deemed appropriate by Arabs to provide money to the families of suicide bombers given the US provide $3 Billion to the Israeli government make me support suicide bomber that blow up orphanages? Gee, wonder why i referred to you as an idiot?
I amnot getting into a palenstine land argument, i suggest you read one of the million posts by Bert7...your evidently in need of some knowledge.
I suggest you keep your paedophilia tendencies to yourself young man.
I have no idea what to make of that last sentance.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I think you'll find that I have always said that terrorism is something that can only be minimised, something that can only be policed. It is a constant inevitability now. My argument is that fighting a war in a far off country in the name of protecting yourself from terror is ludicrous when in fact you should be concentrating on domestic security. Perhaps you decided to blot those posts out of your mind.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
OMG...you finally get it. Terrorist will attack anyone, wherever they please!!!! Haven't you said that attacks on our soil shouldn't happen if we tighten up borders and protect ourselves better. You have said that numerous times...but now you say this? You confuse the hell out of me sometimes. You need to become a politician because you are great at speaking out both sides of your mouth.CameronPoe wrote:
The fact of the matter is that they will happen on whatever soil the extremists pick and choose to attack. Any piece of soil whatsoever. And there isn't the slightest little thing that will prevent the inevitability of it.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
...........YET......
I can happily say that no attacks have occurred on American soil either...oh, we are still in Iraq...what happened?
Damn...MOAB beat me to it....more the merrier.
Meth3d you tried to hit on me so please go away you nasty old man.
Listen, I don't see how a small mob of hand-gun carrying conservatives and rifle carrying hunters can have much of a chance against the US army. Sure, go ahead and try, but most would just want to go out of harms way. Many of the people who buy guns don't really want to use them at all, but see them as a symbol of protection.nlsme wrote:
Is that seriously an argument?konfusion wrote:
Yeah, sure, peace loving and all...nlsme wrote:
Sure Americans would overthrow a dictatorship in America. The second amendment was written just for that.
-konfusion
1. There is a difference between supporting and understanding. We understand why there is suicide bombing, but do not agree with it.David.P wrote:
1. Idiot? I'm not the one supporting suicide bombers blowing up orphanages full of "Infidel" children.
2. Well lets see before 67 palestine was alot bigger but they had to attack did'nt they? Btw personall attacks? Ok lets dance!
3. Ya your right, I'm told old for you, Go and chase of a few young boys with Micheal Jackson in Bahrain when your there next time.
Will do! I'm gonna go and piss of the Liberal's meeting tonight in brooklyn. Red meat and I support the troops buttons for the win!
2. You would feel threatened too - actually, you do feel threatened with the current situation of immigrants from Mexico.
3. wtf?
'Liberal'... - I hate friggin' tags.
-konfusion
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Not right in the head.David.P wrote:
Meth3d
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
What the fuck is about all I can say... Russia killed many jews! Comunism is against any kind of religion, it is a whole part of the system.Deutschland wrote:
So does that justify the jews killing millions of non jews in russia? The point is comparing them to the nazi's, a society that was very intelligent and productive, instead of a communist regime that murdered hundreds of millions more.sergeriver wrote:
Are you saying that nazis didn't killed 6 million Jews? How come they didn't do anything FFS. Who defended Stalin anyway? Both Hitler and Stalin were assholes. And how can you call a culture thousands of years old, barbaric?Deutschland wrote:
I insulted 2 members? No, not really. I justify them because they didnt do anything wrong and he is comparing them to a barbaric culture. Interesting how nobody compares them to... lets say... Stalin? and his liquidation of 65,000,000 non-jews from 1919-1939, cute really.
You are incredibly ignorant, and are siding with the Nazis, there is no fucking way in hell you can win an argument justifying them!
Say away from me pedo i'm 18 but that does'nt mean i'll go with you in your van.m3thod wrote:
Not right in the head.David.P wrote:
Meth3d
If any country needs to be invaded in the Middle-East its Israel: nuclear weapons, Palestine wiped off the map. Also, the Suadi Royal Family needs to get out. They are doing stff in the name of Islam which simply has noting to do with Islam. But then again, they are one of the biggest puppet regimes in that area. Invading Iran would be a very bad choice. Not only will u get more terrorist attacks in your own country, Iran will attack Iraq and the whole Middle-East will explode into a war zone. If you want millions of innocent people to die, then go ahead. But if you wanna keep riding the high moral road, then stay the fuck out of Iran. Digging up all this dirt on Iran like ATG has been doing is worthless and it is this kind of thinking which leads to there being conflicts in the world all the time nowadays.
So let them hang people for " morality crimes? "
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I'll break this down for you:DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Im sorry,,but you are a jack ass. First, did I not say that the Saudi government is corrupt?...BINGO..yes I did, so why try arguing with me about that. I already know it and I already know what the Saudi government is truly about. Secondly, yes Iran and Syria are an alliance but my point was that they are supporting and arming terrorists and working together to derail peace with Israel. Third, I make several posts in regards to a OP that was about Iran and all the sudden I have a fixation...??? If anyone has a fixation, its you and your fixation with yourself and your "greater than though" attitude. I don't have a fixation with any one country, I have made that a point over and over again by trying to get you to focus on something other the than the U.S and Israel. Calling me fixated is just another one of your two-faced comments.CameronPoe wrote:
The leadership of Saudi Arabia enforce Wahabi islam as the state religion. This is the exact type of brainwashing that produces the types who conducted the 9/11 attacks. Read my Islamocaust Heavy for further details. The government does not support terrorism - of course they don't - they are too busy selling oil to the west - but the way they run their country makes it practically a conveyor belt for extremists.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
It does matter because people keep bringing this up trying to paint the leadership of Saudi Arabia as responsible for this. Al-qaida purposely recruits Saudis for the sole fact that they want a division between the United States government and the Saudi leadership. The Saudi government is NOT training, arming or supporting individual Saudis who choose to go and fight in Iraq. In fact, the Saudi Arabian government is a target of Al-qaida. AQ wants nothing less than for the Saudi government to fall.
I am getting tired of people trying to now insert the Saudi government as a supporter of terrorists...they are not. Is the Saudi government free from corruption and problems...of course not..but they are not supporting terrorists. Now, it is a fact that there have been Iranian agents and Kuuds forces caught in Iraq...the Kuuds are supported by the Iranian government and Syria....I won't say it is a fact but if you look at the most recent dealings between Iran and Syria....they are definitely in bed together. Syria also is trying to play a role in the outcome of Iraq and does support terrorism.
Iran and Syria are quite entitled to build up an alliance together by the way. Not least for the fact they are practically neighbours and have shared interests.As far as a I can gather the House of Saud is deeply unpopular in Saudi Arabia and is destined to fall. Maybe not today, maybe not next year but it eventually will. Your fixation with Iran blinds you to the real sickly regimes of the middle east - those of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The revolution is coming in those countries.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
People need to remember to differentiate between terrorists, where they are from and what governments support them. Just because a higher number of foreign fighters are from Saudi Arabia does not automatically mean the the government of Saudi is responsible....far from it. Why would terrorists be targeting the Saudi government if the Saudi government is supporting terrorism....doesn't make sense, attacking a partner in crime?
PS Why do you favour Saudi Arabia so much when they also refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the of state of Israel, much like Iran?
I disagree with Surge on many things, like I disagree with you. The difference is that I respect Surge much more because he at least can admit when he is wrong. He has the guts to say what he feels but then realize that sometimes it isn't quite right. I can never see you doing that Cam. You basically believe that you are only person who has the only answers. You even try to argue about something I had already agreed with you in my post. Finally, where did I ever say I favored Saudi Arabia over anyone? My only point was that people need to quit trying to link the high number of Saudi fighters to the Saudi government. You know and I know that isn't right....but still...how the hell does it say I favor it. I am stating simple truths....NOT TAKING SIDES!! So please, keep putting words in my mouth, keep trying to argue with me over stuff I already know and understand....your BS is not teaching me anything I don't already know. My point was simple, it was true...why try to twist it?
a) What do you suggest doing about human rights abuses in Iran?
b) What do you suggest doing about human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia?
c) What am I supposed to admit being wrong about?
PS Try and concentrate on the content of my posts rather than your erroneous presumption that I think I have all the answers to everything.
PPS When you can demonstrably prove that I am incorrect on a particular issue I will of course admit it.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-26 04:01:29)
yeah that was pritty sick not a hanging but did you read the story behind it ?ATG wrote:
So let them hang people for " morality crimes? "
Eat shit.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657
dont watch that link.You'll be sorry if you do.
Im against the Death penaltyHuge crowd at woman's hanging in Iran
Agencies
Published: July 15, 2007, 15:38
Tehran: An Iranian woman who killed her husband and paid two men to murder three of her in-laws has been hanged along with her two accomplices at a joint execution watched by thousands of people, a newspaper reported on Sunday.
The woman, identified only as Houriyeh, 29, and the two men were sentenced to death for the murders three months ago in northwestern Iran, the Tehran-e Emrouz daily said on Sunday. They were hanged on Saturday.
Hanging is the most usual form of execution in Iran but women are rarely executed in public.
So we have people from a country who execute murders calling another nation who executes murders savages.elstonieo wrote:
yeah that was pritty sick not a hanging but did you read the story behind it ?ATG wrote:
So let them hang people for " morality crimes? "
Eat shit.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657
dont watch that link.You'll be sorry if you do.Im against the Death penaltyHuge crowd at woman's hanging in Iran
Agencies
Published: July 15, 2007, 15:38
Tehran: An Iranian woman who killed her husband and paid two men to murder three of her in-laws has been hanged along with her two accomplices at a joint execution watched by thousands of people, a newspaper reported on Sunday.
The woman, identified only as Houriyeh, 29, and the two men were sentenced to death for the murders three months ago in northwestern Iran, the Tehran-e Emrouz daily said on Sunday. They were hanged on Saturday.
Hanging is the most usual form of execution in Iran but women are rarely executed in public.
Well the posts above mine have already answered you. Not all hangings and executions are due to "morality crimes", even fi there is such a crime in Iran. Criminals are everywhere and they are dealt with.ATG wrote:
So let them hang people for " morality crimes? "
Eat shit.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657
dont watch that link.You'll be sorry if you do.