As I recall, many said much the same thing about Iraq back in 1990. They were the 4th largest military at the time.oug wrote:
It would be a pyrrhic victory for the US. So much so in fact, that nobody in the right mind would dare call it that. But either ways this would never happen so...
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What would happen in a war against Iran's standing military.
| US Military would defeat them in a matter of weeks. | 40% | 40% - 47 | ||||
| US Military would defeat them in a matter of months. | 18% | 18% - 21 | ||||
| It will take a very long time. | 12% | 12% - 14 | ||||
| Iran will inflict major casualties, but US win. | 20% | 20% - 24 | ||||
| Iran defeats the military. | 4% | 4% - 5 | ||||
| Iran-loss however insurgents move to Iraq and do damage | 3% | 3% - 4 | ||||
| Total: 115 | ||||||
We'd defeat the conventional forces of Iran in a matter of weeks.
...however, we'd be fighting the insurgency resulting from the war for years. It would be like Iraq times 10.
...however, we'd be fighting the insurgency resulting from the war for years. It would be like Iraq times 10.
It depends.
Who starts the war The US or Iran?
Is Congress going to call the shots or the military generals whose job it is to fight the war?
Who starts the war The US or Iran?
Is Congress going to call the shots or the military generals whose job it is to fight the war?
Who said anything about staying? Play the game then leave the stadium.Turquoise wrote:
We'd defeat the conventional forces of Iran in a matter of weeks.
...however, we'd be fighting the insurgency resulting from the war for years. It would be like Iraq times 10.
I'm against going to war with Iran, but if we did, I would agree with that approach.usmarine2005 wrote:
Who said anything about staying? Play the game then leave the stadium.Turquoise wrote:
We'd defeat the conventional forces of Iran in a matter of weeks.
...however, we'd be fighting the insurgency resulting from the war for years. It would be like Iraq times 10.
Destroy all the military installations and nuclear facilities, then get the fuck out....
I disagree.Braddock wrote:
It depends, if you just wanted to bash them into next week the US would be very quick and successful with its superior air forces and battleships ...but if you tried to install your own puppet regime and sent ground troops in etc. it would be an unholy bloodbath of ridiculous proportions. The response from troops and civilians would be much fiercer than that of Iraq as most Iranians do not feel oppressed by their Government in the same way many Iraqis may have.
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Yeah... I guess the distinction between "clean war" and insurgency isn't that clear in my mind. Just can't see how the conflict might play out without the Iranians barricading themselves in the cities etc. Anyway it really doesn't matter. Never happen...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
keep in mind, actual war with Iran will not be followed by an occupation. Itll be Armies vs Armies. Human Wave vs Precision, technology and training. They might put up a bigger fight than the Iraqi army did, but insurgency will not be a problem to deal with.oug wrote:
It would be a pyrrhic victory for the US. So much so in fact, that nobody in the right mind would dare call it that. But either ways this would never happen so...
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The Iraqi Insurgency has inflicted what can hardly be called "major" casualties. Their Army did jack shit. A non-Nuclear War would have Abrams' in Tehran in less than 3 weeks. A Nuclear one would have a Parking Lot in 4 hours.konfusion wrote:
Thinking along the lines of Iraq, Iran will inflict major casualties, but US win.
-konfusion
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You'd be surprised how quickly someone can go from being pro-American to anti-American, if American forces occupy their country.ATG wrote:
I disagree.Braddock wrote:
It depends, if you just wanted to bash them into next week the US would be very quick and successful with its superior air forces and battleships ...but if you tried to install your own puppet regime and sent ground troops in etc. it would be an unholy bloodbath of ridiculous proportions. The response from troops and civilians would be much fiercer than that of Iraq as most Iranians do not feel oppressed by their Government in the same way many Iraqis may have.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=82008
A lot of Iran is reformist and pro-Western. If we invaded Iran, it would almost completely undermine the support we have in Iran.
The tricky part is that the Iranian government is very conservative and anti-Western, while the people are more sensible.
It would make more sense to aid an insurgency in Iran than to attack it outright, but as you know, that whole Iran-contra thing didn't work too well.
Wars always galvanise support for a government for a couple of months, just look at Russia and the Tsar at the start of World War 1. (Granted that support disappeared as soon as it became clear things were'nt going Russia's way!) Id imagine most Iranians would get behind there government.
Saying that however America would still easily win a conventional war with Iran. Iran's military isnt actually as good as they make it out to be. I can think of two instances were military planes carrying Republican guard troops fell out of the sky killing all on board because of a lack of spare parts! (And there supposed to be the elite troops) I know thats just one example but you only have to compare military spending between the two countries to see how such a conflict would turn out.
Provided of course American leaves immediately after the white flag goes up - WHAM, BANG, Thank you mam!
Saying that however America would still easily win a conventional war with Iran. Iran's military isnt actually as good as they make it out to be. I can think of two instances were military planes carrying Republican guard troops fell out of the sky killing all on board because of a lack of spare parts! (And there supposed to be the elite troops) I know thats just one example but you only have to compare military spending between the two countries to see how such a conflict would turn out.
Provided of course American leaves immediately after the white flag goes up - WHAM, BANG, Thank you mam!
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If Iran stayed out in the open and fought a conventional war, Iran would get rolled. They would, however, put up more of a fight than Iraq ever could have.
If I were Iran and I was preparing for a US invasion, I'd be building huge bunker complexes EVERYWHERE.
If I were Iran and I was preparing for a US invasion, I'd be building huge bunker complexes EVERYWHERE.
I think back in '90 and '91 the Iraqis showed how effective bunkers are.....Pubic wrote:
If Iran stayed out in the open and fought a conventional war, Iran would get rolled. They would, however, put up more of a fight than Iraq ever could have.
If I were Iran and I was preparing for a US invasion, I'd be building huge bunker complexes EVERYWHERE.
Iran. Homeland of the Muslim movement, MASSIVE religious importance.
Muslims go on pilgrimmages there. Even millions peace loving muslims from all over there world consider Iran a second home of their religion.
Does invading a country like that sound like a good idea?? Just leave it alone I say. If it trys to get bigger stop it outside its boarders, but just don't fuck with it.
Muslims go on pilgrimmages there. Even millions peace loving muslims from all over there world consider Iran a second home of their religion.
Does invading a country like that sound like a good idea?? Just leave it alone I say. If it trys to get bigger stop it outside its boarders, but just don't fuck with it.
As an American, I don't think that it would really matter what I call an Iranian, the results would more than likely be the same at this point. Regardless if you call them Iranian or Persian, they are Islamic, which typically is pigeonholed as Arabic. If I did that, my bad. My opinion still stands however that the other "ISLAMIC" states would be more than willing to either join in, or try to cause as much chaos as possible to see the US fail.Magpie wrote:
Since when did Iran become arabic? call an iranian a arab and see what happenshowler_27 wrote:
Also keep in mind that more than likely, other Arab states will see this as the final chance to join with a large player in the region to finally eliminate the US presence. It could very well be the start of a full world conflict. US troops streched thin, and a bunch of eager enemies waiting for the right time to strike.
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
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Yes, they are heroes as well, but do you really think people serving in the armed forces are lesser heroes?IRONCHEF wrote:
TODAY'S HEROS
still looking for sadr in fallujah. mr. expert.IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
So what you're saying we can't produce bombs as much as we did in WW2?IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
hes an expertcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
So what you're saying we can't produce bombs as much as we did in WW2?IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
I thought Americans, are well known as TV watchers. Hasn't IRONCHEF, watched any TV?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
hes an expertcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
So what you're saying we can't produce bombs as much as we did in WW2?IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
I mean even if you just glanced at the boob-tube - during Iraq 1 or 2.
The pinpoint accuracy of the American Military is unmatched by any Nation (it is self-evident). Also, it is more likely that an American soldier would get killed by an American mistake (friendly fire) - than by the opposing force.
Last edited by topal63 (2007-07-27 10:05:26)
wow. you think i'm lessening the armed forces heroism because i independently honored an old friend of mine who died rescuing an elderly couple in their burning home and died in the attempt?specops10-4 wrote:
Yes, they are heroes as well, but do you really think people serving in the armed forces are lesser heroes?IRONCHEF wrote:
TODAY'S HEROS
and yes, I think highly of our military. I have a cousin in Portland recruiting now after doing 2 tours in Iraq and while I don't think he's a "hero" and I don't think our military members are "hero's" for doing their jobs having signed up for just that type of work and heavily trained. They do heroic things that us non-mil people think are courageous. However, I doubt you could find a soldier who thought what he did was heroic. Too humble perhaps. I'm sure some military people on this board would agree. And of course, I'm not trying to take away from the supreme sacrifice these men and women are doing by being put into harms way by a madman...for that, I do revere their efforts.
haha, i removed a "fight picking" statement from my original post because i knew you'd say some stupid shit like "you don't know shit because you've never been in combat." Like that means shit. That's foolishly saying NOBODY but someone who's been in combat can know ANYTHING about war or politics. Dumbass geek.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
still looking for sadr in fallujah. mr. expert.IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
Oh yeah, can you dispute what I've said, or can you only talk shit? Tell me how a beat up military can take on a real military might, fresh and ready to go having watched your every move for the last 5 sad years, beating the hell out of us with homemade bombs? Or is my TV watching getting the best of me on that too?
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wow, I didnt say anything of the sort and Im a dumb ass geek.IRONCHEF wrote:
haha, i removed a "fight picking" statement from my original post because i knew you'd say some stupid shit like "you don't know shit because you've never been in combat." Like that means shit. That's foolishly saying NOBODY but someone who's been in combat can know ANYTHING about war or politics. Dumbass geek.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
still looking for sadr in fallujah. mr. expert.IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
Veterans are better than new recruits.IRONCHEF wrote:
haha, i removed a "fight picking" statement from my original post because i knew you'd say some stupid shit like "you don't know shit because you've never been in combat." Like that means shit. That's foolishly saying NOBODY but someone who's been in combat can know ANYTHING about war or politics. Dumbass geek.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
still looking for sadr in fallujah. mr. expert.IRONCHEF wrote:
Even if the US hasn't spent a good portion of it's ordnance on Iraq and Afghanistan and was fully stocked, the US would run OUT of bombs to drop within a year or two. If the US did a ground invasion, Iran would absolutely destroy us in a matter of weeks probably. And that's if Iran doesn't use WMDs.
You people dream. And yes, I know a former Colonel from the Shah era's Iranian military. The only way we'd "win" anything is by using nuclear weapons.
And just for a litmus...look at the shit poor job we've done in Iraq....a fraction of the terrain, a fraction of the total size, and oh yeah, an actual military that is armed to the teeth who will have "the cause" in that fight. Look at the Aghanistan/Pakistani border and the difficulty of fighting there...now Imagine that most of Iran is going to be like that...this is what makes the size of the US army useless.
TODAY'S HEROS
Oh yeah, can you dispute what I've said, or can you only talk shit? Tell me how a beat up military can take on a real military might, fresh and ready to go having watched your every move for the last 5 sad years, beating the hell out of us with homemade bombs? Or is my TV watching getting the best of me on that too?
You should also step on an IED, according to him.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
wow, I didnt say anything of the sort and Im a dumb ass geek.IRONCHEF wrote:
haha, i removed a "fight picking" statement from my original post because i knew you'd say some stupid shit like "you don't know shit because you've never been in combat." Like that means shit. That's foolishly saying NOBODY but someone who's been in combat can know ANYTHING about war or politics. Dumbass geek.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
still looking for sadr in fallujah. mr. expert.
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