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To give a small point for someone like you can defend them with. What about the rest of my points? You really don't think it hit jews all over the world as a low blow? Or just all of them but the Iranian jews? 25000 jews in their population is hardly "embracing" to them. Disriminating them is hardly embracing. Opressing them is hardly embracing them. 25000, huh thats might be how many "Extremist muslims" live in America. Maybe more. Its a REALLY small number Cam. And you have yet to prove they are "living Happily".

BTW, just because YOU say it was ONLY AIMED AT ISREAL, does not change the fact it hit jews the world over just as hard. If I commited murder, but I accidently hit 2 people in the process ob accident. I am still catching 2 charges of murder. Even if I really only meant one.

Last edited by nlsme (2007-07-27 10:31:22)

CameronPoe wrote:

nlsme wrote:

To give a small point for someone like you can defend them with. What about the rest of my points? You really don't think it hit jews all over the world as a low blow? Or just all of them but the Iranian jews? 25000 jews in their population is hardly "embracing" to them. Disriminating them is hardly embracing. Opressing them is hardly embracing them. 25000, huh thats might be how many "Extremist muslims" live in America. Maybe more. Its a REALLY small number Cam. And you have yet to prove they are "living Happily".

BTW, just because YOU say it was ONLY AIMED AT ISREAL, does not change the fact it hit jews the world over just as hard. If I commited murder, but I accidently hit 2 people in the process ob accident. I am still catching 2 charges of murder. Even if I really only meant one.

I said it was distasteful on several occassions. I'm saying that the driver behind the Iranian action was to get at Israel, they weren't purposely trying to offend say a Jew in Coney Island or in North London, although that was obviously inevitable.

Happy or not the jewish population of Iran have not been exterminated as someone like you might have us believe through subtle allusion. They are no Nazi Germany.

Please, don't put words in my mouth. I only dabble with what I know. I have never been to Iran, nor have you. My only point is, they are NOT as innocent as YOU make them out to be. You look for what I am saying underneath. No need, I say what I feel, and don't hide my views BEHIND my posts, unlike you.

They ARE persecuted,opressed. Although you would rather everyone beleive they are able to live a "happy life". No, your right though, they ARE stoll alive and breathing. Guess they should be happy for that.

Last edited by nlsme (2007-07-27 10:43:13)

CameronPoe wrote:

nlsme wrote:

Please, don't put words in my mouth. I only dabble with what I know. I have never been to Iran, nor have you. My only point is, they are NOT as innocent as YOU make them out to be. You look for what I am saying underneath. No need, I say what I feel, and don't hide my views BEHIND my posts, unlike you.

I know Iran aren't innocent. They're almost as backwards as the Saudis. I just don't know why it's any business of ours, anymore than say the situation in Zimbabwe.

Because they have Anti-America rallies every Friday. Because they want a "peaceful" nuclear program, but are unwilling to let the international community look at their "power plants". Beacuase they are hampering peace efforts in Iraq (this is debateable).

Are we on their doorsteps today? No, we ARE talking to them. Although they still won't adress all the issues that need to be addressed.
We actually just reached an agreement on Iraq (where the debate is) were they are actually seen as allies for the rebuilding on Iraq. I don't want war with Iran, I don't want war period. But, I DO see the NEED for war at times. I would support a war with Iran, if Iran became more of a threat. If the threat of Iranian nukes making it within a 100 miles of my home became more prevelant. Diplomacy is the key to peace. Unfortunatly, diplomacy is handled by politicians. That being said, right now, for lack of better words "we're fucked". Only time will tell what happens.

CameronPoe wrote:

nlsme wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I know Iran aren't innocent. They're almost as backwards as the Saudis. I just don't know why it's any business of ours, anymore than say the situation in Zimbabwe.

Because they have Anti-America rallies every Friday. Because they want a "peaceful" nuclear program, but are unwilling to let the international community look at their "power plants". Beacuase they are hampering peace efforts in Iraq (this is debateable).

Are we on their doorsteps today? No, we ARE talking to them. Although they still won't adress all the issues that need to be addressed.
We actually just reached an agreement on Iraq (where the debate is) were they are actually seen as allies for the rebuilding on Iraq. I don't want war with Iran, I don't want war period. But, I DO see the NEED for war at times. I would support a war with Iran, if Iran became more of a threat. If the threat of Iranian nukes making it within a 100 miles of my home became more prevelant. Diplomacy is the key to peace. Unfortunatly, diplomacy is handled by politicians. That being said, right now, for lack of better words "we're fucked". Only time will tell what happens.

There is good reason they hold anti-America rallies nslme as you well know. America has tried to undermine the Islamic Revolution since it started, right off the bat when it sponsored Iraq's invasion of Iran in 1980, and they have given billions and billions of dollars worth of military aid to a local enemy: one that also happens to have a nuclear weapons program that the west hypocritically overlooks.

Diplomacy is the key yes. But frankly I don't see the problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. They have one of the most stable governments in the middle east. Take Pakistan on the other hand - a nuclear capable accident waiting to happen. Iran would keep their nukes as a deterrent only, just like every other nuclear-capable nation. Have Pakistan attacked India with nukes yet? No - because so do India. What makes you think Iran would cut it's own throat by actually using nuclear weapons on a nuclear capable nation?

I doubt Iran would openly use their nooks on anybody. But I don't hold the illusion they wouldn't let someone else use them. Why, because they are denying they want nuclear weapons. If your case were true, why not just say "hey, with all the nations in the world that have them, with all the hate that is spread throughout the world, we want to make make ourselves a bomb". Why hide it?

I won't argue on Pakistan though. That is something I do know a lot about. Quite frankly, I am disgusted.

Last edited by nlsme (2007-07-27 11:22:17)

CameronPoe wrote:

nlsme wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I know Iran aren't innocent. They're almost as backwards as the Saudis. I just don't know why it's any business of ours, anymore than say the situation in Zimbabwe.

Because they have Anti-America rallies every Friday. Because they want a "peaceful" nuclear program, but are unwilling to let the international community look at their "power plants". Beacuase they are hampering peace efforts in Iraq (this is debateable).

Are we on their doorsteps today? No, we ARE talking to them. Although they still won't adress all the issues that need to be addressed.
We actually just reached an agreement on Iraq (where the debate is) were they are actually seen as allies for the rebuilding on Iraq. I don't want war with Iran, I don't want war period. But, I DO see the NEED for war at times. I would support a war with Iran, if Iran became more of a threat. If the threat of Iranian nukes making it within a 100 miles of my home became more prevelant. Diplomacy is the key to peace. Unfortunatly, diplomacy is handled by politicians. That being said, right now, for lack of better words "we're fucked". Only time will tell what happens.

There is good reason they hold anti-America rallies nslme as you well know. America has tried to undermine the Islamic Revolution since it started, right off the bat when it sponsored Iraq's invasion of Iran in 1980, and they have given billions and billions of dollars worth of military aid to a local enemy: one that also happens to have a nuclear weapons program that the west hypocritically overlooks.

Diplomacy is the key yes. But frankly I don't see the problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. They have one of the most stable governments in the middle east. Take Pakistan on the other hand - a nuclear capable accident waiting to happen. Iran would keep their nukes as a deterrent only, just like every other nuclear-capable nation. Have Pakistan attacked India with nukes yet? No - because so do India. What makes you think Iran would cut it's own throat by actually using nuclear weapons on a nuclear capable nation?

We thought Imperial Iran was stable enough to entrust with F-14s, and it seems we haven't learned that lesson because now we're giving "stable" Saudi Arabia tons of weapons.

One of Iran's former presidents said that Israel was a "one-bomb nation" i.e. there was no worry about retaliation because one nuclear bomb would destroy Israel. MAD kind of goes out the window when you actually think you can win a nuclear war.

UGADawgs wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

nlsme wrote:

Because they have Anti-America rallies every Friday. Because they want a "peaceful" nuclear program, but are unwilling to let the international community look at their "power plants". Beacuase they are hampering peace efforts in Iraq (this is debateable).

Are we on their doorsteps today? No, we ARE talking to them. Although they still won't adress all the issues that need to be addressed.
We actually just reached an agreement on Iraq (where the debate is) were they are actually seen as allies for the rebuilding on Iraq. I don't want war with Iran, I don't want war period. But, I DO see the NEED for war at times. I would support a war with Iran, if Iran became more of a threat. If the threat of Iranian nukes making it within a 100 miles of my home became more prevelant. Diplomacy is the key to peace. Unfortunatly, diplomacy is handled by politicians. That being said, right now, for lack of better words "we're fucked". Only time will tell what happens.

There is good reason they hold anti-America rallies nslme as you well know. America has tried to undermine the Islamic Revolution since it started, right off the bat when it sponsored Iraq's invasion of Iran in 1980, and they have given billions and billions of dollars worth of military aid to a local enemy: one that also happens to have a nuclear weapons program that the west hypocritically overlooks.

Diplomacy is the key yes. But frankly I don't see the problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. They have one of the most stable governments in the middle east. Take Pakistan on the other hand - a nuclear capable accident waiting to happen. Iran would keep their nukes as a deterrent only, just like every other nuclear-capable nation. Have Pakistan attacked India with nukes yet? No - because so do India. What makes you think Iran would cut it's own throat by actually using nuclear weapons on a nuclear capable nation?

We thought Imperial Iran was stable enough to entrust with F-14s, and it seems we haven't learned that lesson because now we're giving "stable" Saudi Arabia tons of weapons.

One of Iran's former presidents said that Israel was a "one-bomb nation" i.e. there was no worry about retaliation because one nuclear bomb would destroy Israel. MAD kind of goes out the window when you actually think you can win a nuclear war.

LOL on the Israel - one -bomb nation thing.

Saudi Arabia is more stable than you can even begin to imagine.  And if Saudi Arabia allowed us to have a military base with permanent infrastructure since the Golf War than I'm sure we can trust it. After all Saudi is our lil' kitty...

Iran was never stable.

My beef is strictly limited to radical Islam, not Muslim people in general.

Sharia law will not be instituted, as they say they will.

ATG wrote:

My beef is strictly limited to radical Islam, not Muslim people in general.

Sharia law will not be instituted, as they say they will.

Same here but there's a fine line between the 2 and they can cross it at will when it suits them.

Funny if Christians and Jews did it they'd be called hypocrites.