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What I want to know is why he isn't being prosecuted for his actions. Jihad or not, I'm almost certain bombing a building is against the law or any nation.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'm glad he changed his mind, but it's a bit late for a change of heart, wouldn't you say?
Too late of course...but more of these stories need to come out about how things sometimes are really happening. We don't always hear these types of stories and we sometimes put the blame on things that don't deserve it. This kind of story could open some eyes here but by no means do I think this kind of thing is going to change the course of the war or how the Middle East deals with itself.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'm glad he changed his mind, but it's a bit late for a change of heart, wouldn't you say?
Ummm....he was tricked into the bombing...at least that is what he is claiming. There have been quite a few stories about this kind of tactic. I am not sure if he is still being held or if he will be punished for actually being there to fight. The point is though that there are a lot of things going on that we know nothing about.Havok wrote:
What I want to know is why he isn't being prosecuted for his actions. Jihad or not, I'm almost certain bombing a building is against the law or any nation.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'm glad he changed his mind, but it's a bit late for a change of heart, wouldn't you say?
Ummmm.......Havok wrote:
What I want to know is why he isn't being prosecuted for his actions. Jihad or not, I'm almost certain bombing a building is against the law or any nation.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I'm glad he changed his mind, but it's a bit late for a change of heart, wouldn't you say?
Human rights in Saudi Arabia are generally considered to be minimal to non-existent.
Many western freedoms as described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights do not exist; it is alleged that capital punishment and other penalties are often given to suspected criminals without due process.
Saudi Arabia is one of a number of countries where courts continue to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and lashings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness.
Saudi Arabia also engages in capital punishment, including public executions by beheading and stoning. While some are also executed in private by firing squad, many executions are popular public attractions. Beheading is the punishment for murderers, rapists, drug traffickers and armed robbers, according to strict interpretation of Islamic law. In 2005, there were 191 executions, in 2006 there were 38 and as of July 2007 there were already 102 including 3 women.
Individuals accused of crimes are not provided with representation, and according to Amnesty International, some defendants are convicted based on confessions obtained under duress, torture or deception.
Saudi women face severe discrimination in many aspects of their lives, including education, employment, and the justice system.
The testimony of a woman is not regarded as fact but as presumption. The reasons women are forbidden to testify in criminal proceedings are (quote):
1. Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony.
2. Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe.
3. Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them.
4. Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable.
Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads in large cities.
There are numerous legal restrictions of what kind of jobs women can do (as to prevent their direct contact with men).
Women cannot be admitted to a hospital, examined by a doctor, travel abroad or leave the house without the express permission and/or company of an immediate male relative.
Although not uncommon and hidden, all sexual activity outside of a traditional heterosexual marriage is illegal. Punishment for homosexuality, cross-dressing, or being involved with anything that hints at the existence of an organized gay community will range from imprisonment, deportation (for foreigners), lashes, and sometimes execution.
Freedom of speech and the press are restricted to forbid criticism of the government or endorsement of "un-Islamic" values.
Political parties are banned.
Officially, the government can search the home of anyone and arrest or deport foreign workers for owning religious icons and symbols, e.g. a Bible, or rosary.
"Freedom of religion does not exist," the U.S. State Department's 1997 Human Rights Report on Saudi Arabia states. "Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The government prohibits the public practice of other religions."
During Ramadan eating, drinking, or smoking in public during daylight hours is prohibited.
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Exactly,,,and as I have stated over and over and over again...which you apparently don't take time to read...that the American government does turn a blind eye to what is going on in Saudi Arabia and my MAIN point over and over and over again that many other countries do the same thing over and over and over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I repeat for the fucking millionth time..........I am not naive to have tunnel vision and focus on a few countries as you continually do, mainly, U.S. and Israel. These two countries probably make up about 95 percent of your posts and it is quite obvious that you are so left wing, single minded that you can NOT see anything else. This post was posted because it shows that there are some good things for ONCE....and I stress ONCE...so how does this post say to you that I condone the other things Saudi Arabia does??? A very generalized and again single minded focus on what I am saying. OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES!!CameronPoe wrote:
Well that's amazing. Someone has actually realised that dealing with extremism through psychiatry and blah, blah, blah....the same old thing over and over again from the single minded world of Cam
You never answered my fucking question though. Is it so hard just to say - 'Yes, I think we should intervene in Saudi Arabia to prevent and stop human rights abuses' or 'No, I don't think we should'. It's not exactly very difficult. At most all you have to type is three letters. You seem to be doing all that you can to avoid exposing the double standard with respect to Iran.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Exactly,,,and as I have stated over and over and over again...which you apparently don't take time to read...that the American government does turn a blind eye to what is going on in Saudi Arabia and my MAIN point over and over and over again that many other countries do the same thing over and over and over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I repeat for the fucking millionth time..........I am not naive to have tunnel vision and focus on a few countries as you continually do, mainly, U.S. and Israel. These two countries probably make up about 95 percent of your posts and it is quite obvious that you are so left wing, single minded that you can NOT see anything else. This post was posted because it shows that there are some good things for ONCE....and I stress ONCE...so how does this post say to you that I condone the other things Saudi Arabia does??? A very generalized and again single minded focus on what I am saying. OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES!!
Hey if you want to cop out of an argument with the playground 'I'm not speaking to you anymore' or 'you spend too much time on the forum' then that's fair enough. Personally I don't think dodging my question and the point contained therein does any of your arguments any justice, but it's a free world and you are quite entitled to keep your mouth shut.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Secondly, I didn't know I had to answer the almighty Cam in these forums. Is there a rule stating that? I must have missed it. I do not troll these forums as much as you do....not even close!!!....I couldn't even begin to keep up with the amount of posts and time you spend on these forums. I do have time...but not THAT MUCH TIME. I, honestly have nothing more to say to you because it is absolutely useless to even try to argue anything with you because you think you have ALL the answers. Even when a post of positiveness is irresistible to you to derail is some shape or form. It is useless to even try to argue with you because even when I have agreed with you before...you somehow find a way to point out something else to argue about...EVEN WHEN I AGREED!!...How moronic is that!!
Spare us the violins. You think you're the only guy in the world who's had it tough? The relevance any of that has to addressing questions or retorts on a debate forum is minimal at best. If you don't like debating then WHY post on a DEBATE forum? Perhaps it is not for you, eh?DeathBecomesYu wrote:
There comes a point and time where my time becomes a little more important than to argue with a pompous, egotistical, know-it-all that is truly obsessed with a debate forum. A person who is so closed minded that he can not even control himself over a post dedicated to the American soldiers who fight in Iraq. Who will at every turn have an answer, or an excuse to avoid even looking like you may not have the answer. I could care less how much you think you know about the past, how much you may or may not travel...I am 37 years old and I have lived 2 lifetimes compared to most people I know and have experienced things I am sure is even beyond your comprehension. I have experienced life and death face to face, have married into another culture (Muslim) and changed alot of minds because of that experience. I have lived life poor, hit rock bottom and pulled myself out of situations that I know that you have never been a part of.
I don't have any answers and people are free to read and interpret my posts in whatever way they see fit, whether that be in agreement, disgust, anger or enlightenment. This is a FORUM. Forums are where people air DIFFERENT opinions. If you find the opinions of one person all the way over here in Ireland so distressing then perhaps forums are not your thing. I though the US was all about 'Freedom of Speech' no?DeathBecomesYu wrote:
You see Cam, you will get all torn up about all this stuff, tell everyone here that you have the answers, try to force people to think like you think.
As will I. You sound like you should be sainted. I'll fax Pope Benedict the canonisation papers tomorrow. Relevance? What the fuck are you talking about? I THOUGHT THIS WAS ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
But I am extremely happy being who I am and if I die tomorrow, I will know that I have helped a lot of people, that I helped the poor, that I actually got OUT of the house and touched lives in many ways with my volunteer work and my money.
Good for you. Most people are proud of where they come from. Relevance to Saudi Arabia?DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I come from a great family and I would never want to live anywhere else in the world but where I live now. America is a great place, pretty much has anything anyone can want.
Hey man - I'm not asking you to read my fucking posts. You seem pretty darned sensitive about anything that does not conform to your own worldview - something you accuse me of. Like I said perhaps forums where you hear viewpoints that are contrary to your own are not the place for you.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
My government, no matter how corrupt you believe it is, doesn't control the person I have become. So Cam, you can go take your bullshit somewhere else until you learn that the whole world doesn't revolve around you. You have become a broken record, one of the biggest I have heard in my life...seriously, that is the truth. A broken record I wish to no longer hear....like a scratching chalk board. You got OLD really quick.
Relevance to Saudi Arabia? What is this obsession you have with 'standing in society', 'doing the right thing', 'charity', 'volunteer work', etc? Why do I need to know this? I give to charity myself but it doesn't fill up two paragraphs of every post I make.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
One last thing...I believe that you are probably the single most negative person I have ever run into in my life. Honestly, I don't keep company with people like that. I surround myself with people who see the bigger picture, who see the good in people no matter where they are from and who give of themselves regardless of their situation or standing in society.
RIP to your friend. And catch you later - I'll miss your hypocrisy, point-dodging, illogicality, double standards and inability to accept any form of criticism whatsoever or to address counterpoints.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Well, enough of my rant...time to move on...literally. I am just about done building my second home and its time to get back to the grind stone. I have been here a short time and I think it is long enough. So long guys have fun and I sincerely hope that some of you will take the time spent on these forums and give it to someone else who may really need it. It sure is a lot more satisfying than this. Good luck and to the guys on this forum who served in Iraq....thanks and it is appreciated. Keep my friend who gave his life in Iraq in your minds when some of the bullshit is spewed in here. He was a better man than a lot of people here...including me.
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Cam wtf are you talking about? Liberals are the biggest hypocrites on this fucken planet!CameronPoe wrote:
RIP to your friend. And catch you later - I'll miss your hypocrisy, point-dodging, illogicality, double standards and inability to accept any form of criticism whatsoever.
That's a bit of a generalisation isn't it? I'm fairly liberal and I don't like the gay community going overboard with 'in your face, look at me' behaviour. I think it does there case no good whatsoever. I'm all for equal rights but not for fascist levels of political correctness.David.P wrote:
Cam wtf are you talking about? Liberals are the biggest hypocrites on this fucken planet!
They let gay men harass straight men openly; and when straight men say anything or fight back or risk a lawsuit of discrimination.
That is something that I find deplorable also. Women HAVE equal rights now in all western countries. Their battle is over, time to start using those rights and stop acting as if they're horribly oppressed by 'chauvinists' and 'cads'.David.P wrote:
Feminists can go up to a man call him "A disgusting Pig" protest all they want; If men try to say anything back they just yell at us or tell us to shut up because we're trying to impose a male domination on them.
I am an advocate of 100% free speech. I found what those muslims did deplorable. Again, I'm a liberal.David.P wrote:
Muslims can spread hate speech openly, Advocate a second holocaust of the Jews, Call Jesus a son of a whore, and cheer when a coalition soldier gets killed. But when we strike back and make a cartoon of their prophet they riot and call us infidels!
You've chosen the wrong stick to beat me with - I'm not some kind of hero for minority rights. People can hold both conservative and liberal views - they aren't mutually exclusive. Your seem to view people in a black or white, yes or no, 1 or 0 fashion, and life just ain't like that.David.P wrote:
Wtf cam! I know conservatives do alot of shit too but atleast they let us fight back against liberal bias towards minorities abusing their power. 9Ya i'm talking to you al sharpton!)
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