I saw air force one before flying to egypt at airport. something like mid summer? Also I should say that Türkiye is in a much more better condition than most arab countries. And our mainland isnt that bad too. and womans arent circumsized here.Ty wrote:
Aw bugger I liked Turkey too. I was in Chanakale for about a week back in 2004, it's a really nice place. I flew in to Istanbul when G. W. Bush was in town though so everything was shut and I didn't get to see Istanbul. I want to go back there sometime so I hope they don't do anything stupid.
And there you have defined a huge reason why Muslims ( generalizing ) are so pissed and prone to spontaneously exploding in public;Ottomania wrote:
I saw air force one before flying to egypt at airport. something like mid summer? Also I should say that Türkiye is in a much more better condition than most arab countries. And our mainland isnt that bad too. and womans arent circumsized here.Ty wrote:
Aw bugger I liked Turkey too. I was in Chanakale for about a week back in 2004, it's a really nice place. I flew in to Istanbul when G. W. Bush was in town though so everything was shut and I didn't get to see Istanbul. I want to go back there sometime so I hope they don't do anything stupid.
The stupid fuckers that circumsize their women ( which involves cutting of the girls clitoris ) and when the bitches grow up they don't enjoy sex. American men get laid on a regular basis and men of Islam basically do it for procreation only; and because they rarely or seldom get laid they are angry and bitter and prone to suicide bombings.
Stupid people.
Alright this seriously pisses me off.ATG wrote:
The stupid fuckers that circumsize their women ( which involves cutting of the girls clitoris ) and when the bitches grow up they don't enjoy sex. American men get laid on a regular basis and men of Islam basically do it for procreation only; and because they rarely or seldom get laid they are angry and bitter and prone to suicide bombings.
Stupid people.
ATG, you're much, much smarter than this, but you believe some serious misconceptions when you haven't gone to verify the accuracy of things you've heard. This is the particular kind of bullshit that floats around and gives Islam a bad name when in actual fact the practice of Female Genital Mutilation predates Islam itself and is only practiced by some people of the Islamic faith, and other faiths, including Christianity.
I'm not going to try to define the term in any detail because it makes me feel like vomiting, but basically, it involves some kind of mutilation, as distinct from circumcision, of the female genitalia. It is basically viewed by the UN, WHO and Amnesty International as a violation of the human rights of the female population in countries where it is practised.
In general FGM takes place in a band across Saharan Africa, taking into account Somalia, Egypt, Sudan, Mali and Ethiopia. There is some evidence it may take place in some Middle Eastern countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Iraq and in certain places in South America, India and Indonesia.
Though this practice is not endorsed by Judaism, or Christianity, or explicitly by Islam, it has been practiced by members of all three faiths who reside in that Saharan band across Africa. There is debate and conjecture as to whether the practice was endorsed by Muhammad and if so, how severe that 'cutting' was supposed to be, whether it was the endorsement of mutilation or simply the symbolic release of blood, somewhat akin to circumcision.
Basically the point I make is this, Female Genital Mutilation is not an "Islamic" practise as such and should not be referred to that way, it is for the most part mainly a cultural phenomenon from part of Africa that has survived to his day. In western terms it is generally agreed to be a violation of human rights.
Edit: Source is my anger and the FGM page at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Genital_Mutilation
Last edited by <BoTM>J_Aero (2007-07-30 03:02:49)
yes it is not a part of islam. it is something cultural.