Good posts GorillaTicTacs, +1.
Since you want to insult me...let me start by saying fuck you and your fucking attitude.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Yeah...one of the most famous lefty myths..along with "Bush=Hitler"..."It`s all about oil"...ect...ect...usmarine2005 wrote:
That banner was meant for the Navy guys and gals on that carrier, who at that time had the longest naval deployment since Vietnam. But, we all know how it was spun as shown by your comment.
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
Now, did I ever say it didn't happen? Did I? Where? Point to it asshole. And who said anything about oil? I was specifically talking about the mission accomplished banner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_accomplished
"The banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was the main source of controversy and criticism. Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."
Now I don't care whether you believe it or not. I have no idea why you went into a hitler comparison when we were talking about a banner. You need help.
And using a picture of Hitler and Bush is just plain retarded, and serge you should know better.
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Yeah...one of the most famous lefty myths..along with "Bush=Hitler"..."It`s all about oil"...ect...ect...usmarine2005 wrote:
That banner was meant for the Navy guys and gals on that carrier, who at that time had the longest naval deployment since Vietnam. But, we all know how it was spun as shown by your comment.
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
I know Bush is a fucking idiot but he's in politics and he understood the semiotics of that photo opportunity when he was in front of that banner ...or at least his advisers would have so he deserves all the flack he gets.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Yeah...one of the most famous lefty myths..along with "Bush=Hitler"..."It`s all about oil"...ect...ect...
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
So why, pray tell, did the Whitehouse wait a full 6 months to make that explanation to the media? It would seem that Bush's speechwriters may or may not have gotten the message either (depends on what Rumsfeld would say later in his memoirs, I'm sure).Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Yeah...one of the most famous lefty myths..along with "Bush=Hitler"..."It`s all about oil"...ect...ect...
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
6 Months, the world, and Bush himself believed that (from his speech) "Major hostilities have ceased" and in the same speech that "it was a victory in the War on Terror." Where he later recanted and told us flatly Saddam had nothing to do with the War on Terror.
It wasn't until the Whitehouse was questioned about the incident 6 months later, and casualty rates had increased, that they came up with 2 different explanations for the goofy publicity stunt. I guess by the time the explanation came, nobody believed a word he said anyways.
And USMarine, slow your roll man...
If you notice the order of the quotes, you'll see that this chipmunk was the guy I was responding to. But, by labeling something as a "myth", he was indeed saying it was completely untrue.
Oh, and before I forget...Brown shirts are for the right-wing fascists.
Us communists on the left prefer Red.
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QFEATG wrote:
Don't forget to count the media and the Democratic party.sergeriver wrote:
Insurgency, corruption, How many enemies is the coalition fighting?
GorillaTicTacs wrote:
So why, pray tell, did the Whitehouse wait a full 6 months to make that explanation to the media? It would seem that Bush's speechwriters may or may not have gotten the message either (depends on what Rumsfeld would say later in his memoirs, I'm sure).Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
6 Months, the world, and Bush himself believed that (from his speech) "Major hostilities have ceased" and in the same speech that "it was a victory in the War on Terror." Where he later recanted and told us flatly Saddam had nothing to do with the War on Terror.
It wasn't until the Whitehouse was questioned about the incident 6 months later, and casualty rates had increased, that they came up with 2 different explanations for the goofy publicity stunt. I guess by the time the explanation came, nobody believed a word he said anyways.
And USMarine, slow your roll man...
They probably didn`t predict that the left would take a simple celebration of that aircraft carrier coming home..and turn it into Bush saying that the war was over.
If you notice the order of the quotes, you'll see that this chipmunk was the guy I was responding to. But, by labeling something as a "myth", he was indeed saying it was completely untrue.
Politicians always get caught in dumb photos (Kerry as space suit condom man) that`s why they don`t kiss babies anymore.Braddock wrote:
I know Bush is a fucking idiot but he's in politics and he understood the semiotics of that photo opportunity when he was in front of that banner ...or at least his advisers would have so he deserves all the flack he gets.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Are you honestly saying the famous "Chimpy McFlightsuit" incident never happened? Are you also honestly saying that we aren't mucking about there (at least indirectly) for the oil? Are you also saying that the rise of militant fascism in the USA and the 3rd Reich have no similarities in historical context?
Can I please please please live in your Disneyfied world? I'll drink the kool-aid, I'll take whatever color pill you want...just let me live there so I can sleep well at night knowing big daddy Bush is making everything ok and the evil terrorist libruls are going to hell or the ovens, whichever he decides first.
P.S. You forgot to add that Bush=Hitler...and is a Chimp!
Kerry is a moron too. When politicians get snapped in stupid photos it's usually because their preplanned photo op has gone horribly wrong, like Bush on the aircraft carrier when people drew the logical conclusion of seeing the Commander In Chief celebrating on a giant ship with a banner behind him reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" and interpreting it as a celebration of victory for the mission in Iraq.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Politicians always get caught in dumb photos (Kerry as space suit condom man) that`s why they don`t kiss babies anymore.Braddock wrote:
I know Bush is a fucking idiot but he's in politics and he understood the semiotics of that photo opportunity when he was in front of that banner ...or at least his advisers would have so he deserves all the flack he gets.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
He wore a flight suit because he flew the aircraft part of the way to the carrier...like it has been said the "mission Accomplished " banner was for the end of that carriers deployment. But don`t let facts get in the way of Lefty Brown Shirt propaganda.
P.S. You forgot to add that Bush=Hitler...and is a Chimp!
Dave Chappelle even thought he meant a victory in the overall mission in Iraq, check 4:24 of the following clip...
Ooooh look what I just found! mmmm
Why would I say Bush is equal to Hitler? I'll wait until he begins his final solution for the Islamic population before I make that analogy!
And to clarify for those of us who can't remember that Bush wasn't claiming a victory in the greater Iraq mission here is that speech again
Hang on "the battle of Iraq has ended and the United States and our allies have prevailed" ...I thought it was a left wing conspiracy that Bush was claiming mission was accomplished during this speech?
prevail (oxford English dictionary definition http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/prevail?view=uk)
• verb 1 prove more powerful; be victorious.
Victorious eh? Left wing propaganda? Get out of this one Rommel.
Hang on "the battle of Iraq has ended and the United States and our allies have prevailed" ...I thought it was a left wing conspiracy that Bush was claiming mission was accomplished during this speech?
prevail (oxford English dictionary definition http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/prevail?view=uk)
• verb 1 prove more powerful; be victorious.
Victorious eh? Left wing propaganda? Get out of this one Rommel.
The battle to take over Iraq was accomplished. How can that be disputed?
Hang on "the battle of Iraq has ended and the United States and our allies have prevailed" ...I thought it was a left wing conspiracy that Bush was claiming mission was accomplished during this speech?
prevail (oxford English dictionary definition http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/prevail?view=uk)
• verb 1 prove more powerful; be victorious.
Victorious eh? Left wing propaganda? Get out of this one Rommel.
Like the poster said above....the conventional war with Iraq was over....no one knew that we would be fighting insurgents and terrorist years afterwards in Iraq.
prevail (oxford English dictionary definition http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/prevail?view=uk)
• verb 1 prove more powerful; be victorious.
Victorious eh? Left wing propaganda? Get out of this one Rommel.
Like the poster said above....the conventional war with Iraq was over....no one knew that we would be fighting insurgents and terrorist years afterwards in Iraq.
From a military viewpoint agreed, but did GWB think of the aftermath? Of course he didn't, and probably he doesn't care a bit.usmarine2005 wrote:
The battle to take over Iraq was accomplished. How can that be disputed?
Oh yeah, we all remember the "we'll be greeted as liberators" shit. Apparently that didn't work out so well. Maybe after 12 or so years of watching the US turn a blind eye as their pet strongman tortured and murdered their family members and friends they didn't figure they could trust us.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Like the poster said above....the conventional war with Iraq was over....no one knew that we would be fighting insurgents and terrorist years afterwards in Iraq.
We didn't turn a blind eye...we just never had the nuts to do anything. I was on the border in '98...but Clinton pulled us back.HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Oh yeah, we all remember the "we'll be greeted as liberators" shit. Apparently that didn't work out so well. Maybe after 12 or so years of watching the US turn a blind eye as their pet strongman tortured and murdered their family members and friends they didn't figure they could trust us.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Like the poster said above....the conventional war with Iraq was over....no one knew that we would be fighting insurgents and terrorist years afterwards in Iraq.
After Al Gore cried foul 'cause daddy didn't finish the job.
And George Bush did nothing for how long, exactly?usmarine2005 wrote:
We didn't turn a blind eye...we just never had the nuts to do anything. I was on the border in '98...but Clinton pulled us back.HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Oh yeah, we all remember the "we'll be greeted as liberators" shit. Apparently that didn't work out so well. Maybe after 12 or so years of watching the US turn a blind eye as their pet strongman tortured and murdered their family members and friends they didn't figure they could trust us.Comrade Ogilvy wrote:
Like the poster said above....the conventional war with Iraq was over....no one knew that we would be fighting insurgents and terrorist years afterwards in Iraq.
With all due respect, you guys should've been turned loose on him a long damn time ago. Like around the same time Reagan was praising "our brave Iraqi allies". Hussein should have been either dealt with long before you ever joined the service and before I figured out what a lying crapsack Reagan was, or the US should never have dirtied its hands supporting him. Our government allowed the scumbag to carve a bloody swath across the pages of Iraq's history because he was "useful", as in he was (supposedly) killing the right people. A lot like our other huge mistake in the region, the Shah of Iran, which we apparently didn't learn shit from.usmarine2005 wrote:
We didn't turn a blind eye...we just never had the nuts to do anything. I was on the border in '98...but Clinton pulled us back.
Honestly, what is so fucking difficult about that? Support a tyrant and his people will not love you when either they or you get rid of him. And before anybody starts in with the "BLARGHRARGH WHAT ABOUT FRANCE BLAH FOOD FOR OIL UNITED NATIONS GRRARGH" shit, understand that I do not give a rusty fuck what France or the UN did do/are doing/whatever. My taxes don't pay the salaries of French politicians. I didn't vote for any of those fuckers. I care about the politicians and leaders in this country whom I DO pay for and who also swore an oath to protect and defend this nation but have instead made us more enemies and put us in greater danger.
This has always been my primary problem with this whole situation. Folks like usmarine shouldn't have had to be on that fucking line because the US government's pet psycho slipped his leash or just generally ceased to be useful. They shouldn't be there now in a situation where most of the people over there either don't trust them or just hate them because the US ends up looking like an abusive spouse here, coming back in and saying essentially "I'm sorry, I'm sorry I did this, see I'll fix it, I can be better this time, baby why you always gotta make me hit you". We're not gonna be able to fix this by force. Our government is throwing bodies in the wood chipper and waiting for it to jam and stop running.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but did Bush not say 'in the battle for Iraq the US and her allies have prevailed' in that speech? You say that us 'lefties' ignore everything that doesn't fit with our warped agenda and here you are trying to convince me that something I saw with my own eyes never happened. He stood on that aircraft (with that banner behind him, regardless of its intended purpose) and said these words in front of a cheering audience and you chastise someone for interpreting that as a victory speech ...how was that not a victory speech?comradeogilvy wrote:
They probably didn`t predict that the left would take a simple celebration of that aircraft carrier coming home..and turn it into Bush saying that the war was over.
Go burn some books Comrade!