I'm a Sgt. Maj. Climb my rockers butter bar.Hurricane wrote:
I'm a second lieutenant.
I could tell you honestly, from what marine has wrote in the past, he represents a lot of the attitude that the majority of grunts share that I have worked and fought with in my life. Even though the army is better , is good to see grunts on the same page.golgoj4 wrote:
Why does shit have to be covered up? If there is no coverup, what then?usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I know. And let them deal with it. Why does everything need to become a fucking media circus?topal63 wrote:
But the family is the one demanding an accounting for the discrepancies & misrepresentations.
Its really sad that you dont care...but then its your right.
You think a grunt is gonna give anymore care about Tillman's death than the guy next to him? It sucks what happened to him, but I guess you actually do have to have a first hand account of a combat zone in order to understand the reasons not be so worked up over it. You have to understand, Marine and i see things from the grunt's eyeview. We realize the value (or lack thereof)of our lives in the realities of a combat zone, and we also understand thats the decision we made to be considered Infantry. Look up the origin of the word Infantry. People would call us sick, cynical or unconcerned. Thats not the case.
still looking for Sadr in Fallujah, expert?IRONCHEF wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
lolExactly my point.dickslingerOIF II wrote:
expert
Im so high speed I dont wear rank or insignia. shhhhh.S3v3N wrote:
I'm a Sgt. Maj. Climb my rockers butter bar.Hurricane wrote:
I'm a second lieutenant.
High Speed, Low Drag, Teflon Coated?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Im so high speed I dont wear rank or insignia. shhhhh.S3v3N wrote:
I'm a Sgt. Maj. Climb my rockers butter bar.Hurricane wrote:
I'm a second lieutenant.
guys can we stop arguing please remember it's a serious talk and we should keep our heads cool.
Do you even own BF2?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Im so high speed I dont wear rank or insignia. shhhhh.S3v3N wrote:
I'm a Sgt. Maj. Climb my rockers butter bar.Hurricane wrote:
I'm a second lieutenant.
whats BF2?
A 'computer' game, whatever the hell a computer is...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whats BF2?
Where did I say I didn't care? Of course I care. But it is not my business to get involved at all.golgoj4 wrote:
Why does shit have to be covered up? If there is no coverup, what then?usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I know. And let them deal with it. Why does everything need to become a fucking media circus?topal63 wrote:
But the family is the one demanding an accounting for the discrepancies & misrepresentations.
Its really sad that you dont care...but then its your right.
I've never seen that happen in a single thread here... It's a nice idea, but doesn't work in reality.RECONDO67 wrote:
guys can we stop arguing please remember it's a serious talk and we should keep our heads cool.
Its one of those strange boxes that whirs and beeps and never does what you want it to.Hurricane wrote:
A 'computer' game, whatever the hell a computer is...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whats BF2?
What rank are you GS, if you don't mind me asking?
Only if you have that Windows Vista program installed.M.O.A.B wrote:
Its one of those strange boxes that whirs and beeps and never does what you want it to.Hurricane wrote:
A 'computer' game, whatever the hell a computer is...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whats BF2?
What rank are you GS, if you don't mind me asking?
bah-zing
in real life?M.O.A.B wrote:
Its one of those strange boxes that whirs and beeps and never does what you want it to.Hurricane wrote:
A 'computer' game, whatever the hell a computer is...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whats BF2?
What rank are you GS, if you don't mind me asking?
in real life, SGT E-5
I'm an O-1, technically, in real life too.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
in real life?M.O.A.B wrote:
Its one of those strange boxes that whirs and beeps and never does what you want it to.Hurricane wrote:
A 'computer' game, whatever the hell a computer is...
What rank are you GS, if you don't mind me asking?
in real life, SGT E-5
As much as it would be fun to watch the carnage, I meant for this to be more of a "serious talk" request on behalf of my buddies on votevets.org than one of the standard "BF2S debates".
If some vets on here don't want to participate for whatever reason, that's fine, so back off them here please. Thanks. The whole Pat Tillman discussion should go in another thread if someone wants to start one.
Personally, I was there for the invasion while stoplossed (1st wave, baby!) and then I got real political after out-processing. I knew marines and army grunts on all sides of the political fence, and it had nothing to do with the college money and had no correlation to their bravery, loyalty to American principles, or competence. When I was in, I felt that getting political had no bearing on my job even though my conscience told me otherwise. You learn to ignore it. When I got out I was LOST. I wandered around Israel and Eastern Europe visiting places I had been in the service as a tourist instead and saw shit from a whole different angle. I spent a year pissing away the $15,000 I left with (being deployed with nothing to buy builds your account up) partying my ass off, drunk, pissed off, volunteering for suicidal tasks trying to assuage guilt or something else and trying to figure out just what the hell happened to the ideals I thought I was fighting for. Other folks just take their Carlson Wagonlit ticket and go home to forget, and nothing wrong with that either. Everyone deals with it in their own way.
If some vets on here don't want to participate for whatever reason, that's fine, so back off them here please. Thanks. The whole Pat Tillman discussion should go in another thread if someone wants to start one.
Personally, I was there for the invasion while stoplossed (1st wave, baby!) and then I got real political after out-processing. I knew marines and army grunts on all sides of the political fence, and it had nothing to do with the college money and had no correlation to their bravery, loyalty to American principles, or competence. When I was in, I felt that getting political had no bearing on my job even though my conscience told me otherwise. You learn to ignore it. When I got out I was LOST. I wandered around Israel and Eastern Europe visiting places I had been in the service as a tourist instead and saw shit from a whole different angle. I spent a year pissing away the $15,000 I left with (being deployed with nothing to buy builds your account up) partying my ass off, drunk, pissed off, volunteering for suicidal tasks trying to assuage guilt or something else and trying to figure out just what the hell happened to the ideals I thought I was fighting for. Other folks just take their Carlson Wagonlit ticket and go home to forget, and nothing wrong with that either. Everyone deals with it in their own way.
people are against Bush and the war. ok good. what pisses me off is that they are against these things for the wrong reason. being concerned because its the popular thing to do. not because its the right thing.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
As much as it would be fun to watch the carnage, I meant for this to be more of a "serious talk" request on behalf of my buddies on votevets.org than one of the standard "BF2S debates".
If some vets on here don't want to participate for whatever reason, that's fine, so back off them here please. Thanks. The whole Pat Tillman discussion should go in another thread if someone wants to start one.
Personally, I was there for the invasion while stoplossed (1st wave, baby!) and then I got real political after out-processing. I knew marines and army grunts on all sides of the political fence, and it had nothing to do with the college money and had no correlation to their bravery, loyalty to American principles, or competence. When I was in, I felt that getting political had no bearing on my job even though my conscience told me otherwise. You learn to ignore it. When I got out I was LOST. I wandered around Israel and Eastern Europe visiting places I had been in the service as a tourist instead and saw shit from a whole different angle. I spent a year pissing away the $15,000 I left with (being deployed with nothing to buy builds your account up) partying my ass off, drunk, pissed off, volunteering for suicidal tasks trying to assuage guilt or something else and trying to figure out just what the hell happened to the ideals I thought I was fighting for. Other folks just take their Carlson Wagonlit ticket and go home to forget, and nothing wrong with that either. Everyone deals with it in their own way.
How do you discern between what is 'popular' and what is 'the right thing'? I have a genuine concern for the well-being of the soldiers. I've never been in combat, but I can imagine it's no fun.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
people are against Bush and the war. ok good. what pisses me off is that they are against these things for the wrong reason. being concerned because its the popular thing to do. not because its the right thing.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
As much as it would be fun to watch the carnage, I meant for this to be more of a "serious talk" request on behalf of my buddies on votevets.org than one of the standard "BF2S debates".
If some vets on here don't want to participate for whatever reason, that's fine, so back off them here please. Thanks. The whole Pat Tillman discussion should go in another thread if someone wants to start one.
Personally, I was there for the invasion while stoplossed (1st wave, baby!) and then I got real political after out-processing. I knew marines and army grunts on all sides of the political fence, and it had nothing to do with the college money and had no correlation to their bravery, loyalty to American principles, or competence. When I was in, I felt that getting political had no bearing on my job even though my conscience told me otherwise. You learn to ignore it. When I got out I was LOST. I wandered around Israel and Eastern Europe visiting places I had been in the service as a tourist instead and saw shit from a whole different angle. I spent a year pissing away the $15,000 I left with (being deployed with nothing to buy builds your account up) partying my ass off, drunk, pissed off, volunteering for suicidal tasks trying to assuage guilt or something else and trying to figure out just what the hell happened to the ideals I thought I was fighting for. Other folks just take their Carlson Wagonlit ticket and go home to forget, and nothing wrong with that either. Everyone deals with it in their own way.
like I said, a lot of stuff that happened to our guys over there is misreported. When it happens to somebody significant, all of sudden, THE WORLD MUST KNOW.
Ive been at the recieving end of 5.56 rounds hitting the vehicle i was in because of ricochet. I had a friend of mind get shrapnel in the ass from one of our own 25MM's shooting HE at a building. was he mad. no. was he outraged. no. did he think his life was more important than that of his buddies, no. the mission went on and he has a huge crater in his butt cheeck.
this shit happens all the time. The decision to goto war is what killed him. Not the cover up. Not the blue on blue. Would you expect me to say anything different when it happens to our allies. No. War is war and shit like this happens. It sucks and I respect GTT for posting it.
Ive been at the recieving end of 5.56 rounds hitting the vehicle i was in because of ricochet. I had a friend of mind get shrapnel in the ass from one of our own 25MM's shooting HE at a building. was he mad. no. was he outraged. no. did he think his life was more important than that of his buddies, no. the mission went on and he has a huge crater in his butt cheeck.
this shit happens all the time. The decision to goto war is what killed him. Not the cover up. Not the blue on blue. Would you expect me to say anything different when it happens to our allies. No. War is war and shit like this happens. It sucks and I respect GTT for posting it.
I agree, and I do find how the media only jumps on a story when it's a big-name person or otherwise.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
like I said, a lot of stuff that happened to our guys over there is misreported. When it happens to somebody significant, all of sudden, THE WORLD MUST KNOW.
Ive been at the recieving end of 5.56 rounds hitting the vehicle i was in because of ricochet. I had a friend of mind get shrapnel in the ass from one of our own 25MM's shooting HE at a building. was he mad. no. was he outraged. no. did he think his life was more important than that of his buddies, no. the mission went on and he has a huge crater in his butt cheeck.
this shit happens all the time. The decision to goto war is what killed him. Not the cover up. Not the blue on blue. Would you expect me to say anything different when it happens to our allies. No. War is war and shit like this happens. It sucks and I respect GTT for posting it.
What I don't like is that our government lied about what really went down. But what can I do I guess, they've done it before and will probably do it again.
people dont serve for the govt, at least I dont. My loyalty lies with the people that wear the same uniform I do. or any other variation of U.S. something something.
WORD.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
people dont serve for the govt, at least I dont. My loyalty lies with the people that wear the same uniform I do. or any other variation of U.S. something something.
'Flaming' (personal attacks) are not well received on these forums. {quote}
That counts. It's deleted FYI.usmarine2005 wrote:
Fuck you dick head.
Maybe PM me next time, or delete EVERY personal attack in this thread.BigmacK wrote:
'Flaming' (personal attacks) are not well received on these forums. {quote}That counts. It's deleted FYI.usmarine2005 wrote:
Fuck you dick head.
Bullying is an understatement more like the "new guy" gets beaten to a pulp. Anyway I hope some one will come forward. The investigation will be a stale-mate if no one does.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Hazing as in bullying newer soldiers.ghettoperson wrote:
What's a hazing ritual?loubot wrote:
It's a hard case to find out the truth, unless someone who witnessed the actual event comes forth. At this point, the evidence is circumstanual. I imagine the soldiers are going to be tight-lip (hence none of them really spoke out) to protect each other from this fall-out. In a couple of years, somone will shed some light.
Fox News (califonia) reporter called me a couple years after I got out of the military and wanted to know if I particpated in hazing ritual where I was stationed. He found out because somebody talked and give him a video. So the moral of the story is someone will talk and the truth will be know.