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Maybe we should have sent the slave-owners back to africa

Last edited by Locoloki (2007-11-25 07:20:42)

Just out of curiosity how and why did you come upon this article?

Mekstizzle wrote:

Although perhaps if the slaves were let back, Africa might have been a better place.

read the article

deeznutz1245 wrote:

In 1860 the US Government wanted to build a massive fleet of ships to send the slaves back to Africa. Here is one archicve of it. What do you think the U.S. and even Europe would be like today if that were to have happened. I know its near impossible to debate hypotheticals but this one is interesting, discuss.

Liberia was a country founded on this kind of idea.  The difference is that the black people who went there did it willingly.  If all black people had done this, I would think Liberia would be no better off than it is today.

America would be very different.  We'd probably have less poverty issues, and Jim Crow laws would have never occurred.  On the other hand, we'd likely be more racist today due to a lack of a Civil Rights Movement.  People wouldn't necessarily think black people are inferior, but they'd probably have certain prejudices against them -- similar to the prejudice exhibited by France toward North Africans.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-11-25 09:41:23)

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

People wouldn't necessarily think black people are inferior, but they'd probably have certain prejudices against them -- similar to the prejudice exhibited by France toward North Africans.

I thought the French hated everyone. Or is it everyone hates the French? I cant remember. Just out of curiosity, how would America be less povertized?

Well, when it comes to the French, I'm mostly referring to what caused the riots about a year back.  They have a large group of North Africans that are disenfranchised because most French don't want to hire them.

As for the poverty thing, a lot of the black community is still very poor.  Their slave origins and the subsequent days of segregation basically kept a lot of black families in poverty.  Affirmative action helped some of them out, but poverty still affects most black people.  If all of the ancestors of these people had decided to move to a place like Liberia, then there would be a much lower poverty rate in America.  Most of the immigrants that moved to America after the days of slavery have somewhat prosperous descendants.  Many immigrants today rise to at least the middle class.

Collectively, I think this would mean that far fewer people would be poor in America, if the only black people that lived here were descended from Africans that moved here in the 1900s.  They would be descended from a much more hopeful legacy.

Granted, I'm not saying that I wish the Liberia thing had happened on a greater scale.  I feel sorry for the people that did move, because, as bad as things were for black people here, they got even worse in Liberia.

Mitch wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

In 1860 the US Government wanted to build a massive fleet of ships to send the slaves back to Africa. Here is one archicve of it. What do you think the U.S. and even Europe would be like today if that were to have happened. I know its near impossible to debate hypotheticals but this one is interesting, discuss.

Ahh.
Well.
I really don't want to be banned for racism.

But, it's my personal belief, that America would be a MUCH better place.

Just take into consideration, that blacks want to act like blacks. And blacks act like the blacks they see on TV. It's SO common for a black to act 'gangsta' and 'ghetto' like they see on TV, that its considered 'Acting Black'.


And that my friends, is a problem.

If you define better as more prosperous, then you are correct.  In a practical sense, I would agree.

This isn't really against black people though.  This basically furthers the concept that the countries with the fewest poverty issues usually do not have a history of oppressing any particular race on their own soil.  For example, Norway never had slaves, so they don't have a poor racial minority living there.

Countries like Britain did own slaves, but almost all of them lived in their colonies as opposed to living on their own soil.  So when slavery finally was abolished, most of these former slaves lived in other areas and did not move to Britain to raise families.  Had more of them done that, there would likely be more poverty issues in Britain due to the rough start these families were given.

While it is true that many black people today do a disservice to their community by engaging in crime and admiring criminal culture, there is still a legacy of oppression that is the origin of these issues.  Had our ancestors never engaged in slavery, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Masterstyle wrote:

But you are right about a majority of the black population falling into that negative lifestyle of drugs, killing and crime.

Majority? Not even close.

san4 wrote:

Masterstyle wrote:

But you are right about a majority of the black population falling into that negative lifestyle of drugs, killing and crime.

Majority? Not even close.

How do you know, is every drug use caught and made into a statistic? There's a shit load more people taking drugs that aren't added to statistics.

Turquoise wrote:

I would agree that majority is probably an exaggeration, but a large minority would fit what you are talking about.

large minority yes

Not to mention the prison population and welfare spending in the country would nearly be cut in half.

san4 wrote:

Masterstyle wrote:

But you are right about a majority of the black population falling into that negative lifestyle of drugs, killing and crime.

Are you talking about a large minority "acting gangsta and ghetto" or a large minority using drugs, killing people and committing crimes? The latter is certainly not true. According to the Department of Justice, the lifetime chances of a black American going to prison are 18.6%. Yes, crimes are committed for which people don't go to prison, but 18.6% is not close to a majority.

You do realize that 18% is nearly 1 in 5 right?

Last edited by Cougar (2007-11-25 11:27:33)

In countries like USA & Australia people go to Jail/Gaol because they commit crimes - it has absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour.

Some yell loud that it's because black people are poor - thats a load of BS. Most poor people don't commit crimes. BAD people commit crimes.

Back to the original post - ideas like that back in those days would have been radically HUMANE. Don't judge the past with todays standards.

oh and p.s. - there is no such thing as black people or white people - just different shades of brown people.

Last edited by I_SUCK_999 (2007-11-25 18:20:38)

Masterstyle wrote:

Mitch wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

In 1860 the US Government wanted to build a massive fleet of ships to send the slaves back to Africa. Here is one archicve of it. What do you think the U.S. and even Europe would be like today if that were to have happened. I know its near impossible to debate hypotheticals but this one is interesting, discuss.

Ahh.
Well.
I really don't want to be banned for racism.

But, it's my personal belief, that America would be a MUCH better place.

Just take into consideration, that blacks want to act like blacks. And blacks act like the blacks they see on TV. It's SO common for a black to act 'gangsta' and 'ghetto' like they see on TV, that its considered 'Acting Black'.


And that my friends, is a problem.

lol whats acting black? If you mean acting gangsta and ghetto then thats acting gangsta and ghetto not acting black. I dont think you could act like a skin color. Im black and I dont lead a negative lifestyle like that, I apreciate what this country has and is providing me, a great comfortable place to live with opportunities. But you are right about a majority of the black population falling into that negative lifestyle of drugs, killing and crime. I blame poverty and bad lifestyle choices. I dont think sending blacks back to Africa would help anything.

...at the same time, the word 'PENIS' spanning your avatar and signature does nothing to help your people.

But as to the entitlement issue this nation faces, much of it is the fault of the government that sought to gain a new voter base by giving people money and extra privileges, thus nourishing dependency.