ATG
Banned
+5,233|6967|Global Command
I agree with everything he says.





"America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course," declares Pat Buchanan. "For we are on a path to national suicide."

"America is in an existential crisis from which the nation may not survive."

The U.S. Army is breaking and is too small to meet America’s global commitments.

The dollar has sunk to historic lows and is being abandoned by foreign governments.

U.S. manufacturing is being hollowed out.

The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country, leading to Balkanization and the loss of the Southwest to Mexico.


The culture is collapsing and the nation is being deconstructed along the lines of race and class.

A fiscal crisis looms as the unfunded mandates of Social Security and Medicare remain unaddressed.

All these crises are hitting America at once -- a perfect storm of crises.

Specifically, Buchanan contends:

• Pax Americana, the era of U.S. global dominance, is over. A struggle for global hegemony has begun among the United States, China, a resurgent Russia and radical Islam

• Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a product of hubris and of ideology, a secular religion of “democratism,” to which Bush was converted in the days following 9/11

• Torn asunder by a culture war, America has now begun to break down along class, ethnic and racial lines.

• The greatest threat to U.S. sovereignty and independence is the scheme of a global elite to erase America’s borders and merge the USA, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union.

• Free trade is shipping jobs, factories and technology to China and plunging America into permanent dependency and unpayable debt. One of every six U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished under Bush

• “Sovereign Wealth Funds,” controlled by foreign regimes and stuffed with trillions of dollars from U.S. trade deficits, are buying up strategic corporate assets vital to America’s security

• As U.S. wages are stagnant, corporate CEOs are raking in rising pay and benefits 400 to 500 times that of their workers

• The Third World invasion through Mexico is a graver threat to our survival as one nation than anything happening in Afghanistan or Iraq

* European-Americans, 89% of the nation when JFK took the oath, are now 66% and sinking. Before 2050, America is a Third World nation

• By 2060, America will add 167 million people and 105 million immigrants will be here, triple the 37 million today.

• Hispanics will be over 100 million in 2050 and concentrated in a Southwest most Mexicans believe belongs to them

Buchanan’s Recommendations:

• A new foreign-defense policy that closes most of the 1000 bases overseas, reviews all alliances, and brings home U.S. troops

• A purge of neoconservative ideology and the “Cakewalk” crowd” from national power.

• To avert a second Cold War, the United States should “get out of Russia’s space and get out of Russia’s face,” and shut down all U.S. bases on the soil of the former Soviet Union

• To reach a cold peace in the culture war, Buchanan urges a return to federalism and the overthrow of our judicial dictatorship by Congressionally mandated restrictions on the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

• To end the trade deficits and save the dollar, Buchanan urges a Hamiltonian solution: a 20% Border Equity Tax on imports, with the $500 billion raised to be used to end taxation on American producers

• To prevent America becoming “a tangle of squabbling nationalities” Buchanan urges: No amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens; a border fence from San Diego to Brownsville; Congressional declarations that children born to illegal aliens are not citizens and English is the language of the United States; and a “timeout” on all immigration.


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker
The recommendations sound good, not quite sure what he means specifically about neoconservative ideology.
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7064|Sea to globally-cooled sea
drudgereport FTW!!!!!  +1
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
"The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country"

that line scares the shit out of me.  What exactly is the ethno-cultural core?  Thats the same bullshit hitler said about the jews before he came into power.
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7064|Sea to globally-cooled sea
you know, reading all that, it's awfully pessimistic.  America has been much worse off than it is now, even in the last 30 years.  We will pull out of this stronger than ever, I have no doubt.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6884|Chicago, IL
I agree.

Not so sure about a total ban on immigration, but we need to tighten our borders, and not just to mexico.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

"The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country"

that line scares the shit out of me.  What exactly is the ethno-cultural core?  Thats the same bullshit hitler said about the jews before he came into power.
I means people need to integrate as Americans instead of having little Mexico/Hondurus/Guatemala/Cuba in the USA.  Want to live here?  Great!  Learn the language.  Celebrate your unique culture because those are your roots, but learn the tools necessary to function in the US.  Our national language is English and it's not racist to ask immigrants to learn it and use it as their primary method of communication.
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6968|The lunar module

Pat Buchanan wrote:

* European-Americans, 89% of the nation when JFK took the oath, are now 66% and sinking. Before 2050, America is a Third World nation.
What the heck do demographics have to do with being a Third World nation?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6884|Chicago, IL

apollo_fi wrote:

Pat Buchanan wrote:

* European-Americans, 89% of the nation when JFK took the oath, are now 66% and sinking. Before 2050, America is a Third World nation.
What the heck do demographics have to do with being a Third World nation?
racism/classism aside, the statistics say that immigrant and minority communities have a much higher crime rate and much lower income than the national average.  This combination causes property values in the are to fall, making the problem worse.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7174|Salt Lake City

Stingray24 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

"The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country"

that line scares the shit out of me.  What exactly is the ethno-cultural core?  Thats the same bullshit hitler said about the jews before he came into power.
I means people need to integrate as Americans instead of having little Mexico/Hondurus/Guatemala/Cuba in the USA.  Want to live here?  Great!  Learn the language.  Celebrate your unique culture because those are your roots, but learn the tools necessary to function in the US.  Our national language is English and it's not racist to ask immigrants to learn it and use it as their primary method of communication.
Exactly.  No one is saying they need to forget where they came from, but the US has also developed a culture.  It may be a mish-mash of many cultures, but even as hybrid as it is, it is our culture.  They should respect that and learn to embrace that culture if they wish to live here.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
so Im assuming this same opinion goes for those who call themselves italian or irish even though they are 5th generation americans.  Boston is unamerican?  Chicago is unamerican?  both these cities have huge irish populations.  I hear no complaints over st patricks day.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-11-26 11:59:45)

apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6968|The lunar module

ATG wrote:

I agree with everything he says.





"America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course," declares Pat Buchanan. "For we are on a path to national suicide."

"America is in an existential crisis from which the nation may not survive."

...yadda yadda yadda...

• To prevent America becoming “a tangle of squabbling nationalities” Buchanan urges: No amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens; a border fence from San Diego to Brownsville; Congressional declarations that children born to illegal aliens are not citizens and English is the language of the United States; and a “timeout” on all immigration.


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm
Management summary:

'All of your problems are THEIR fault. Let's have a pogrom.'
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

so Im assuming this same opinion goes for those who call themselves italian or irish even though they are 5th generation americans.  Boston is unamerican?  Chicago is unamerican?  both these cities have huge irish populations.  I hear no complaints over st patricks day.
Yes, it goes for all immigrants.  One Irish, German, Norwegian, or Hispanic holiday that is a recognition of the roots of each culture is fine.  The fact is the Irish populations in the cities you listed have integrated.  Too many Hispanic area refuse to do so.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7081
whats your definition of integration?  I see lots of people waving the Irish flag around more than they would the stars and stripes.  I dont see that as integration.  I see that as the exact thing you label hispanic communities with.  WHat is refusing to integrate, in your definition?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6967|Global Command

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

whats your definition of integration?  I see lots of people waving the Irish flag around more than they would the stars and stripes.  I dont see that as integration.  I see that as the exact thing you label hispanic communities with.  WHat is refusing to integrate, in your definition?
I would say it is calling the Southwestern U.S. Azlan, or whatever they call it.



apollo_fi wrote:

ATG wrote:

I agree with everything he says.





"America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course," declares Pat Buchanan. "For we are on a path to national suicide."

"America is in an existential crisis from which the nation may not survive."

...yadda yadda yadda...

• To prevent America becoming “a tangle of squabbling nationalities” Buchanan urges: No amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens; a border fence from San Diego to Brownsville; Congressional declarations that children born to illegal aliens are not citizens and English is the language of the United States; and a “timeout” on all immigration.


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm
Management summary:

'All of your problems are THEIR fault. Let's have a pogrom.'
The trouble with you pov is that you jump right to the word pogrom.
We are talking about illegal immigration, not just Mexican immigration.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7068|Washington, DC

"• The Third World invasion through Mexico is a graver threat to our survival as one nation than anything happening in Afghanistan or Iraq"

God forbid the military has to fight the Ecuador army!
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6968|The lunar module

ATG wrote:

The trouble with you pov is that you jump right to the word pogrom.
We are talking about illegal immigration, not just Mexican immigration.
Buchanan, via Drudge, insinuates that it is the ethnicity of the majority of incoming immigrants (not their legal status) that will make the U.S. a part of the third world.

Drudge/Buchanan says up front that the main problem is the U.S becoming multicultural. Not illegal immigration.
Home
Section.80
+447|7285|Seattle, Washington, USA

BUCHANAN wrote:

Pax Americana, the era of U.S. global dominance, is over. A struggle for global hegemony has begun among the United States, China, a resurgent Russia and radical Islam
Really, radical Islam is a contender for global dominance? Is that a joke?

Last edited by Home (2007-11-26 15:36:04)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6799|Vancouver

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

"The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country"

that line scares the shit out of me.  What exactly is the ethno-cultural core?  Thats the same bullshit hitler said about the jews before he came into power.
As you, it seemed to me that the entire thing was frightening. Panic and fear, the world is collapsing! Almost every point seemed to centre on that a dystopian future must be avoided, by the evidence of seemingly everything is wrong.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7212|North Hollywood

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

whats your definition of integration?  I see lots of people waving the Irish flag around more than they would the stars and stripes.  I dont see that as integration.  I see that as the exact thing you label hispanic communities with.  WHat is refusing to integrate, in your definition?
TBH nobody from Boston ever told me I was occupying their homeland. But and language seem to be the only main differences. There is a lot of Irish pride IMO, but they dont believe its theirs. Of course, i've been listening to this 'occupation' shit since so im a little biased i suppose.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina
Blow for blow....

Buchanan wrote:

The U.S. Army is breaking and is too small to meet America’s global commitments.
Bullshit.  We spend too much on the military as it is.  The last thing we need to do is increase the size of it.

Buchanan wrote:

The greatest invasion in history, from the Third World, is swamping the ethno-cultural core of the country, leading to Balkanization and the loss of the Southwest to Mexico.

The culture is collapsing and the nation is being deconstructed along the lines of race and class.
This may be true to an extent, but the only way forward, aside from better border security is being willing to prosecute employers of illegals just as much as the illegals themselves.

Buchanan wrote:

• Pax Americana, the era of U.S. global dominance, is over. A struggle for global hegemony has begun among the United States, China, a resurgent Russia and radical Islam

• Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a product of hubris and of ideology, a secular religion of “democratism,” to which Bush was converted in the days following 9/11.

• Torn asunder by a culture war, America has now begun to break down along class, ethnic and racial lines.

• The greatest threat to U.S. sovereignty and independence is the scheme of a global elite to erase America’s borders and merge the USA, Mexico and Canada into a North American Union.

• Free trade is shipping jobs, factories and technology to China and plunging America into permanent dependency and unpayable debt. One of every six U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished under Bush

• “Sovereign Wealth Funds,” controlled by foreign regimes and stuffed with trillions of dollars from U.S. trade deficits, are buying up strategic corporate assets vital to America’s security

• As U.S. wages are stagnant, corporate CEOs are raking in rising pay and benefits 400 to 500 times that of their workers.
All true, and things I agree with.

Buchanan wrote:

• The Third World invasion through Mexico is a graver threat to our survival as one nation than anything happening in Afghanistan or Iraq.

* European-Americans, 89% of the nation when JFK took the oath, are now 66% and sinking. Before 2050, America is a Third World nation

• By 2060, America will add 167 million people and 105 million immigrants will be here, triple the 37 million today.

• Hispanics will be over 100 million in 2050 and concentrated in a Southwest most Mexicans believe belongs to them.
While it is true that Hispanics are destined to equal the white population here as a proportion of the total population, I don't have a problem with the legal ones.  It's only the illegals that bother me.

Besides, at least most Hispanics are hard workers.  Certain other ethnic groups often participate in more crime -- like the Sudanese refugees we've been taking in.  I'd rather we continue allowing more Mexicans in rather than refugees, as long as the Mexicans follow our rules for attaining citizenship.  The illegals are the ones we need to deal with.

Buchanan wrote:

• A new foreign-defense policy that closes most of the 1000 bases overseas, reviews all alliances, and brings home U.S. troops.

• A purge of neoconservative ideology and the “Cakewalk” crowd” from national power.

• To avert a second Cold War, the United States should “get out of Russia’s space and get out of Russia’s face,” and shut down all U.S. bases on the soil of the former Soviet Union.

• To reach a cold peace in the culture war, Buchanan urges a return to federalism and the overthrow of our judicial dictatorship by Congressionally mandated restrictions on the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
All of these work for me.

Buchanan wrote:

• To end the trade deficits and save the dollar, Buchanan urges a Hamiltonian solution: a 20% Border Equity Tax on imports, with the $500 billion raised to be used to end taxation on American producers.

• To prevent America becoming “a tangle of squabbling nationalities” Buchanan urges: No amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens; a border fence from San Diego to Brownsville; Congressional declarations that children born to illegal aliens are not citizens and English is the language of the United States; and a “timeout” on all immigration.
I prefer reciprocal trade policy.  If a country puts tariffs on our goods, we should do the same to theirs.  Other than that, a static tariff to everything is a really bad idea.

I'm all for better border security and constructing an invisible fence (not a physical one).  Ending immigration altogether is a really bad idea as well, because immigrants (the legal ones, that is) are the lifeblood of our economy.  We need legal immigrants, although altering immigration policy to require a certain amount of skill or education would be a nice change.  We have more than enough cheap labor as it is.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6967|Global Command
Sounds to me like you could vote for him.

He wasn't saying increase the size of the military to meet the needs, he is saying decrease the size of the need to one that  fits the size of our military until such time as a real war happens.

We should focus on the ability to strike first to win if we need to, but not bother with international squabbles.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6824
I didnt really find any middle ground with him. Id say about 60% of his posts I totally agree with and about 40% I either really disagree with or scare the shit outta me because of their stupidity/racism.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6437|...
let's just say that if china abandons the dollar now the 1929 economical crisis will seem like child play.

It's really tensed up on the market now, and fuck I hate Ahmoudinejad.
inane little opines
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina

Commie Killer wrote:

I didnt really find any middle ground with him. Id say about 60% of his posts I totally agree with and about 40% I either really disagree with or scare the shit outta me because of their stupidity/racism.
This is kind of how I feel.  I'd take Buchanan over the typical neocon, but he still scares me.

Ron Paul FTW

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