Flecco wrote:
mikkel wrote:
Flecco wrote:
mikkel, I would just like to note that Gawwad hasn't moved to Saudi Arabia and tried to force everybody to become a Christian.
The Sudanese didn't move to the UK to try to force everyone to become muslim, either.
He's intolerant in precisely the same way as the radical muslims are.
But radical muslim clerics have gone to the UK and demanded everybody convert. Gawwad hasn't done something similar to a muslim country...
Christian and Catholic missionaries have been in Africa trying to convert people for centuries. There's always going to be extremists. What's your point?
Zimmer wrote:
mikkel wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
Did you read the article? She wasn't a guest. She worked there.
Why should we get their religion forced down our fucking necks? Since when have we ( do NOT go far back on this ) shoved our religion down their necks? They come to the West thinking they have the right to complain and get everything laid out for them on a platter just because it offends them. So why should we not get that when we go over there? Or is it just a 1 way thing because of oil? I wonder what would happen if a Muslim teacher named a teddybear Jesus Christ here. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I don't care if Muhammad is a sacred name. She made a damn mistake. She is not muslim, she does not abide by their religion. It is nothing like the Swastika thing. Its pathetic that they are ruled by religion.
Yes, I read the article. She
is a guest. Working or visiting, if you're not a citizen, you're a guest.
I don't think you understand the concept of borders, or the prerogative to rule your nation like you wish. I can watch TV for entertainment if I want to, but I don't have to entertain media executives in return. I can read articles written by journalists, but I don't need to write stories for these journalists if I don't want to. People enjoy freedom of speech in some Western countries, but that does not mean that Western citizens enjoy the same freedoms in other countries.
You're contrasting the laws of one country with the laws of another, and expecting them to be absolutely identical. That's just very misguided thinking. "Your" way isn't the "right" way. There are a million different ways, and they're all "right" to a million different people.
She is not a muslim, but she has to abide by the laws of the country, just like tourists can't walk around in Germany posing with swastikas freely on account of their foreign citizenship. If you expect your moral positions and the laws of your society to apply when you're abroad, you're being arrogant.
I never said they should be identical, nor did I even imply it. I was just simply stating my honest opinion on the bullshit that is going on there.
Plus, all I view from a country is a piece of land with a squiggly line over it. ( quote from Catch-22 ) No more. We create countries, we destroy them, we create new ones. We have done if for thousands of years.
I was expressing my opinion, I think I know exactly what a country is and how you can rule one. I never stated anything to the sort. Plus, I don't think you can even call it "freedom of speech" anymore in Western countries. That is like pulling a sheet over your eyes from the reality of things.
I already am abroad and a guest in Scotland ( I am Spanish ) so I know exactly how to behave and how to treat foreign countries. I think you took what I said too much to heart and read it too deeply. I was just stating my opinion, plus, I went a bit off the topic talking about the problems in Britain - that had nothing to do with my comments about this, just another input.
You were comparing the legal implications of a scenario in Sudan with the implications of the same scenario in the West, and you were outraged that they weren't the same. If that's not implicitly expecting similar legislation, I don't know what is.
Thankfully there's a bit more to a country than a squiggly line. Culture, for instance.
Gawwad wrote:
mikkel wrote:
Flecco wrote:
mikkel, I would just like to note that Gawwad hasn't moved to Saudi Arabia and tried to force everybody to become a Christian.
The Sudanese didn't move to the UK to try to force everyone to become muslim, either.
He's intolerant in precisely the same way as the radical muslims are.
Read before you post!
I wont tolerate
utter bullshit. I have nothing against the common Muslim or anyone else.
I would like to see you in the same situation this woman is. I bet you would feel guilty and happily submit to a spanking.
I think you need to
understand before you post. That "utter bullshit" you're talking about is a big part of their culture and religion. If you refuse to understand or accept it, the above applies.
Luckily, I would never be in the same position, as I would have enough sense to get to understand the religion and culture of my pupils if I were to teach in a foreign country.
It's the law. There's no excuse for not knowing it. It's not like it's a big secret that people down there get uppity about religion.
Last edited by mikkel (2007-11-27 10:34:24)
