Poll

Do you believe the goverment use's wars a way to earn money?

Yes59%59% - 39
No34%34% - 23
Maybe6%6% - 4
Total: 66
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

The world's largest arms exporters are France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States. They are also four of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (China just doesn't report).

You know it's out of control when Canada and Norway are getting in on the action.

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Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina
Lord of War is my alltime favorite movie...  That scene is so awesome... 
RECONDO67
Member
+60|7074|miami FL
not to earn money for the government but to make money for the contractors which are the government friends.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7078|Your moms bedroom
Isnt that how we saved ourself during the great depression?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6849|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Oh, wait...government employees don't get bonuses. All of our salaries are publicly posted. Try again.
I said IN the government, not employees OF the govt.
Please explain the difference. Everyone who is IN government is an employee OF the government.

Dilbert_X wrote:

dude mentioned oil.... lets stick to that one
Easy, before OKS the oil price was what, $30/barrel, after OKS ~$80/barrel, now the pressure is being ratcheted up on Iran $100/barrel.
The cost of production is unchanged, the remainder is profit.

US taxpayer pays for the war, US corporations and the Saudis make the profit.

How much did it cost to get the two Bushes elected and did the donors recoup their investment yet?
I'm guessing OKS = Operation Kill Saddam? Very cute.

The only companies that have actually profited directly from the war are those that are providing services to the troops, the Iraqi government, the US State Dept/Embassy, and the builders. They are the only ones whose business has increased specifically because of OIF. I suppose you could throw in the people who make the uparmor kits for HMMWVs and the MRAP, too. They likely wouldn't have gotten the business they did without OIF.

Oil prices going through the roof has little to do with Iraq, as the amount of Iraqi crude available on the open market was never much to begin with...certainly not enough to cause this increase in price. Increasing consumption without a commensurate increase in production is what is causing the prices, primarily in India and China. It's called supply and demand, not vast international conspiracies run by the Bush family or their supporters.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6849|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Please explain the difference. Everyone who is IN government is an employee OF the government.
Its semantics, the government is the elected officials and policy makers, employees are just that.
You may work FOR the government, you are not THE government.
I guess the US has drifted away from parliamentary democracy though.
The US was NEVER a parliamentary democracy. It is and always has been a liberal democracy.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Oil prices going through the roof has little to do with Iraq
It has an immense amount to do with instability in the middle east at the present time, the collapse of the dollar and yes supply and demand.
A lot of it is trader forward speculation based on further expected instability in the oil producing regions.
I bet if/when the US/Israel bomb Iran the price will be >$150/barrel whether or not the actual oil supplies are affected.
True, oil prices do increase with instability in the ME, no doubt. But it's a lot more about supply and demand than instability. The fluctuations at the top of the price are tied to volatility (ie, regional instability). The foundation of the price (~80-85% of the overall per barrel price) is caused by supply and demand.

Dilbert_X wrote:

But this seems to be Duhbya's objective. Another oil war, another fat load of profit.
Just like the previous Bush.
Not even worth the effort...again.

Last edited by FEOS (2007-11-29 04:19:35)

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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7070|949

War is a racket.  A lot of politicians (from parties across the board) benefit from a war-time economy.  Many politicians join the ranks of the lobbyists after their terms are up.  One of the most lucrative industries to lobby for is the defense industry.  That is why you see the likes of James Baker III, GHWB, Fidel Ramos, John Major, Shinawatra (can't remember his first name, former president of Thailand), etc. on the board of directors for defense contractors.  Not only is War a racket, but politics are as well.

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