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2007-11-29 15:38:32
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

No prob, Stingray.  I just find it really annoying when people act like all abortion is murder.  It's like they don't understand the circumstances that often surround abortion.
Lifesaving circumstances? Fine. Just because you feel like it or are inconvenienced? Not fine.

I recall a story of a couple of EMT's who were called to an abortion clinic because some lady was having problems. One of them saw a screaming mass left on a tray to die of exposure. Over the protests of the clinic, it was taken to the hospital and put into an incubator by the doctors there. I don't know if it survived or not, but, well, I suppose it could be one of the reasons why they started routinely dismembering them on the way out.

Apparently didn't do a good enough job before.
And who told you that story?  A pro-life group?

Regardless, it doesn't matter.  The average pro-lifer is the kind of hypocrite who only cares about someone before they're born.  Most of them fight all social programs aimed at helping single mothers and their impoverished children, so until the pro-life movement actually shows some foresight concerning these kinds of things, they can fuck off with their self-righteousness.
2007-11-29 15:42:25
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7082

Loonyk wrote:

if you don't have a mom & dad to put you on the good track... guess what option they will choose
so Im a piece of shit for not growing up with a father in my home?  fuck you
2007-11-29 22:19:44
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7210|PNW

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

No prob, Stingray.  I just find it really annoying when people act like all abortion is murder.  It's like they don't understand the circumstances that often surround abortion.
Lifesaving circumstances? Fine. Just because you feel like it or are inconvenienced? Not fine.

I recall a story of a couple of EMT's who were called to an abortion clinic because some lady was having problems. One of them saw a screaming mass left on a tray to die of exposure. Over the protests of the clinic, it was taken to the hospital and put into an incubator by the doctors there. I don't know if it survived or not, but, well, I suppose it could be one of the reasons why they started routinely dismembering them on the way out.

Apparently didn't do a good enough job before.
And who told you that story?  A pro-life group?

Regardless, it doesn't matter.  The average pro-lifer is the kind of hypocrite who only cares about someone before they're born.  Most of them fight all social programs aimed at helping single mothers and their impoverished children, so until the pro-life movement actually shows some foresight concerning these kinds of things, they can fuck off with their self-righteousness.
No, a relative who was an EMT. I suppose you could call her a part of a pro-life group. /sarcasm

Why, do you find it all that unbelievable? It isn't all sterile, meaty chunklets in the pixie-dust, prancing-kitten world of abortion.

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2007-11-30 00:07:11
golgoj4
Member
+51|7212|North Hollywood

{ATS}Huppa1 wrote:

There are far too many media avenues ( "reality" shows, music videos, news etc.) that unfairly show a slanted view of the American Black population as violent, abusive and gang oriented for the sake of entertainment and profit. Being constantly bombarded with media and supposedly opinion-free news broadcasts continually forces the general opinions of the population to believe what they see on their TVs despite what the truth is. I hope this film makes it into the homes of as many people as possible so that the fears and misconceptions that continue to drive racial separations and racism might begin to disappear as they should have long ago. I hope the media machine picks this up and does something positive for a change, but, sadly, that will depend upon profitability and popularity.
i met many people who's only experience with other races was through tv. And you think 'Homeboys in Space' is harmless...
2007-11-30 10:54:42
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Loonyk wrote:

if you don't have a mom & dad to put you on the good track... guess what option they will choose
so Im a piece of shit for not growing up with a father in my home?  fuck you
I could be wrong, but I don't think that's what he meant.  The way I understood his post was that it doesn't reflect badly on the child who had no choice in the matter, rather it points to the irresponsibility of the father/mother.  Props to you for making good choices.
2007-11-30 10:59:08
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6883|The Land of Scott Walker

Turquoise wrote:

And who told you that story?  A pro-life group?

Regardless, it doesn't matter.  The average pro-lifer is the kind of hypocrite who only cares about someone before they're born.  Most of them fight all social programs aimed at helping single mothers and their impoverished children, so until the pro-life movement actually shows some foresight concerning these kinds of things, they can fuck off with their self-righteousness.
I don’t like self-righteousness any more than you do, Turquoise, but I think we’d agree that abortion is chosen by more than just impoverished single mothers.  Even if we assume every single pro-lifer opposes all social aid programs it has nothing to do with an infant being torn apart inside his/her mother.  It really is beside the point.  Besides, pro-life organizations run programs which provide social aid directly, so I’m not sure which pro-lifer you’ve been talking to.  Or maybe a pro-abortion group *cough*Planned Parenthood and NARAL*cough* told you that . . .
2007-11-30 20:45:47
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

No, a relative who was an EMT. I suppose you could call her a part of a pro-life group. /sarcasm

Why, do you find it all that unbelievable? It isn't all sterile, meaty chunklets in the pixie-dust, prancing-kitten world of abortion.
I never said I liked abortion, I just don't think it's very productive or logical to judge people for this decision if you don't have an economic solution for the root causes of the problem.

I noticed you didn't respond to the part I mentioned about social programs.
2007-11-30 20:55:35
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6843|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

And who told you that story?  A pro-life group?

Regardless, it doesn't matter.  The average pro-lifer is the kind of hypocrite who only cares about someone before they're born.  Most of them fight all social programs aimed at helping single mothers and their impoverished children, so until the pro-life movement actually shows some foresight concerning these kinds of things, they can fuck off with their self-righteousness.
I don’t like self-righteousness any more than you do, Turquoise, but I think we’d agree that abortion is chosen by more than just impoverished single mothers.  Even if we assume every single pro-lifer opposes all social aid programs it has nothing to do with an infant being torn apart inside his/her mother.  It really is beside the point.  Besides, pro-life organizations run programs which provide social aid directly, so I’m not sure which pro-lifer you’ve been talking to.  Or maybe a pro-abortion group *cough*Planned Parenthood and NARAL*cough* told you that . . .
I disagree.  It has everything to do with it.  Economics are most of the reason for why abortion occurs in the first place.  Most women who have "accidental" pregnancies try to go through with the whole term of it.  The ones who don't are often people who can't afford the high fees of hospital births.

If we socialized childbirth fees and childcare, funded orphanages more, and made adoption more affordable and less bureaucratic, you'd see a massive drop in abortions -- much more massive than a ban would create.

So if the goal here is to minimize abortion (because you really can't eliminate it), then economics are the key.  A ban only creates a large market for illegal abortions.

The only way a ban could feasibly work is if the changes I mentioned were put into place first.  If pro-lifers could stomach all that, then I'd support a ban on abortion unless the woman was raped, incest was involved, or the mother faces a high chance of death during childbirth.

Those last 3 extenuating circumstance must always be considered when discussing a ban.
2007-11-30 21:08:38
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7154

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Loonyk wrote:

if you don't have a mom & dad to put you on the good track... guess what option they will choose
so Im a piece of shit for not growing up with a father in my home?  fuck you
^^

Same situation with you slinger, I live with my mom.

But I do believe he means to be growing up in a caring family. It's just his wording that makes it look shitty.
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2007-11-30 21:20:24
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7082

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Loonyk wrote:

if you don't have a mom & dad to put you on the good track... guess what option they will choose
so Im a piece of shit for not growing up with a father in my home?  fuck you
^^

Same situation with you slinger, I live with my mom.
I wouldnt have had it any other way.

 

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