CowboySwim
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Anybody who watches George Carlin knows he is not a particularly religious man...  Now when watching one of his shows today I listened to his ideas on the Ten Commandments and religion and the like.  It's pretty good stuff, but the part that got me thinking was this:

He is talking about the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" and brings up the fact that almost every war and mass killing is based off of religion hence the commandment must be strictly obeyed unless.....somebody believes in a different God than you.  This brings up an interesting point that got my brain spinning.  What are your guys' thoughts on this idea?
KEN-JENNINGS
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The idea of "just war" and 'realist approach' in war when considering religious doctrine has been and still is a heavily debated topic.  St. Augustine expounded upon the idea of just war in City of God - the ideas of "jus ad bellum": the justification of force because of moral violations on a grand scale, the comparative justice to be exacted, the proper faction(s) to carry out the justice, the idea of war as a last resort, the probability of a victory; and "jus in bello": a kind of moral code of conduct for how the war is to be carried out (consider it a type of Geneva Conventions for morality in fighting a war).  These concepts are constantly adapting as time and morals change.

It (the idea of "just war" or a realist ideology in regards to war) is largely not a concept that there is a consensus on across the religious spectrum.  This is why people like the Quakers constantly are anti-war.  What it really comes down to is the ability of the religious to rationalize the act of killing in regards to their own morals.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-12-03 02:35:58)

Mason4Assassin444
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YouTube>Zeitgeist>answers all you questions of modern religion. Just watch part1.
Stingray24
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Yes, an hour watching Zeitgeist (essentially all the conspiracy theories you've ever heard mashed together and blamed on religion) is the best way to research religion.
Mason4Assassin444
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Stingray24 wrote:

Yes, an hour watching Zeitgeist (essentially all the conspiracy theories you've ever heard mashed together and blamed on religion) is the best way to research religion.
You'll vote for Fred Thompson.

There is no conspiracy with religion in that movie. Just how the ancients perceived it. Enjoy your bubble.
Stingray24
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Haven’t decided who I’ll vote for, though it definitely won’t be for a Democrat. 

If there's no conspiracy with religion, why reference it in study of modern religion? 

Did you enjoy the part where the plot to control North America was revealed in one phonecall by Rockefeller as much as I did?  All entertainment being controlled to distract us from the nefarious plot against is all was especially interesting.  Oh noes! Get off the intenetz and don't watch tv, go to the movies, or rent DVDs!  Mind control!  *twilight zone theme*

I'll enjoy my bubble, have fun with your tin foil hat.
Cougar
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Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Yes, an hour watching Zeitgeist (essentially all the conspiracy theories you've ever heard mashed together and blamed on religion) is the best way to research religion.
You'll vote for Fred Thompson.

There is no conspiracy with religion in that movie. Just how the ancients perceived it. Enjoy your bubble.
Enjoy your bubble of conspiracy theory lunacy.
KEN-JENNINGS
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Great debates and serious discussion we are having in this thread.  Keep it up guys!
Stingray24
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Tis fun eh!

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