Greed.
Well no duh. But the fact reamains that there is a much higher demand because of chinese oil demand. We had a huge demand in 1999 but gas was like what 1.45?Dilbert_X wrote:
Liberalslayer - Put up the same graphs for the US - they look a whole lot worse.
They're so damn high because global demand for the product is increasing exponentially while supply struggles to keep pace. Frankly I think it's great: it'll finally get people off their arses to think about alternative sources of energy and efficient public transport.
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hopefully an alternative fuel car will cost less once the masses start buying them over SUV's and full size trucks. im all for public transport, unfortunatly here in the states, you just have to travel to damn far to get to work and back. Our major cities on the other hand have excellent public transport. Every time i got to into Boston, MA I park in the outskirts of the city and i take public transport, it only costs me 4 bucks and saves 1/2 hr driving and finding a parking spot. I cant wait to "stick it" to fat ass oil moguls and their hedge fund kids, ya im looking at you bushCameronPoe wrote:
They're so damn high because global demand for the product is increasing exponentially while supply struggles to keep pace. Frankly I think it's great: it'll finally get people off their arses to think about alternative sources of energy and efficient public transport.
two weeks ago on our economics news I saw 1 oil barrel = 92$
now it's going at a 100$ a barrel.
In two weeks.
it's because of all the stress in the middle east methinks, and there being more and more questioning for oil than there is available. Hence russia wants to mine down the north pole while it holds an oil field twice the size saudi arabia had.
now it's going at a 100$ a barrel.
In two weeks.
it's because of all the stress in the middle east methinks, and there being more and more questioning for oil than there is available. Hence russia wants to mine down the north pole while it holds an oil field twice the size saudi arabia had.
inane little opines
Locoloki, an alternative fuel vehicle will need to cost less before the masses will start buying them over regular gas-powered vehicles. And there can still be SUVs and full-sized trucks that will run off whatever the alternative will be. The problem is that I only buy good quality used vehicles. In light of that, it's going to be awhile before an alternative fuel vehicle will be in my driveway.
On top of that are the issues of safety and practicality. The alternative cars out there aren't much bigger than a Ford Focus, which doesn't give near enough room for my family of four. Good luck driving a Prius in Midwest winters, too. Basically zero ground clearance so I'd be getting stuck all the time. I'll keep my V6 4x4 SUV thank you. It has the room I need, has no problems in winter driving conditions, and best of all it's paid for.
Psssst, Democrats own oil, too . . .
On top of that are the issues of safety and practicality. The alternative cars out there aren't much bigger than a Ford Focus, which doesn't give near enough room for my family of four. Good luck driving a Prius in Midwest winters, too. Basically zero ground clearance so I'd be getting stuck all the time. I'll keep my V6 4x4 SUV thank you. It has the room I need, has no problems in winter driving conditions, and best of all it's paid for.
Psssst, Democrats own oil, too . . .
LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
What, pay more so you Brits feel better? Uh, no.
I think you'll find he's Irish.Stingray24 wrote:
What, pay more so you Brits feel better? Uh, no.
The price will go down when more people start buying them is all that i was saying. Your average soccer mom does not need to drive an SUV with all the bells and whistles, when she drives in a 5 mile radius on sub-urban streets is what i am refering to
How many oil companies do you have? How many oil reserves do you have? How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?IG-Calibre wrote:
LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
Hush.
i work at toyota i have free oil
huh?Givanno wrote:
i work at toyota i have free oil
do you mean gas?
When "alternative fuel" cars start offering more space and more power at a cheaper price, people will start to buy them. Even the hybrid cars still use gasoline, so an E85 compliant V8 Suburban is more green than a Prius. I get what you’re saying that not everyone needs an SUV and and I agree with that if you aren't a parent and don't live in the Midwest. The problem is that a little Honda Civic might get great mileage, but it does not go good in the snow in town, let alone outside town. Encounter more than 4 inches of snow and I’d be stuck.Locoloki wrote:
The price will go down when more people start buying them is all that i was saying. Your average soccer mom does not need to drive an SUV with all the bells and whistles, when she drives in a 5 mile radius on sub-urban streets is what i am refering to
yeah, even the new hydrogen bmw gets 3/4 of its gas mileage off gasoline. Bio-Diesel would be an attractive alternative for torque/hp 4x4, and driving in snow, although, snow tires do work wonders (so i hear), we need more gas stations to carry the fuel, that would be my concern in buying an alternative fuel vehicle
also. I read that when hydrogen comes out they will sell you the hydrogen at the gas pumps... i thought the point was that you could make your own hydrogen and fill your own car up?
btw, i live in maine we get tons of snow
also. I read that when hydrogen comes out they will sell you the hydrogen at the gas pumps... i thought the point was that you could make your own hydrogen and fill your own car up?
btw, i live in maine we get tons of snow
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I'd love to have a bio-diesel powered suv or truck the next time I have enough funds to buy a different vehicle. But, as you mentioned, more stations would have to carry it to make it practical. Interesting about hydrogen at a pump, had not heard that.
Snow tires do work wonders, but during the warmer months they're annoyingly loud because of the deep tread. Owning a whole different set of tires would be necessary if full snow tread tires are used. In Maine, you probably get more snow than I do in Wisconsin.
Snow tires do work wonders, but during the warmer months they're annoyingly loud because of the deep tread. Owning a whole different set of tires would be necessary if full snow tread tires are used. In Maine, you probably get more snow than I do in Wisconsin.
I'm actually hoping it'll hit $200 a barrel quickly so our lazy asses can fasttrack some technology into our cars. I'm willing to suffer high prices for EVERYTHING because oil went up.
On a more personal note, I believe greed is the reason..on the parts of Oil nations, Bush, shareholders, and oil companies. Why, when we're at war in oil territory are there fluctuations in gas price NOT tied to price per barrel? Why are insane record profits being reported every year since the war began? Capitalist pigs..everyone. The Soviets were right about us.
On a more personal note, I believe greed is the reason..on the parts of Oil nations, Bush, shareholders, and oil companies. Why, when we're at war in oil territory are there fluctuations in gas price NOT tied to price per barrel? Why are insane record profits being reported every year since the war began? Capitalist pigs..everyone. The Soviets were right about us.
Even assuming we’re all the bitch of capitalist manbearpigs I’ll take the US over living in Russia any day of the week. I guess oil companies didn’t make any profits before GWB entered office. We can thank the EPA for requiring all these ridiculous variations in fuel types for different cities. Each type of fuel has to satisfy different requirements and the requirements vary by season and region. This squeezes the supply even more because St. Louis fuel can’t be used in San Diego.
"RECORD" profits. EPA requirements = evolution of society to improve air quality..and eventually independence from foreign fuel.
Again, I"m hoping for $200 a barrel to really throttle this evolution and independence. I'm also glad 7/11 abandoned Citgo (Hugo's gas) and I hope that trend continues. Sure it'll hurt for us but a little revolution now and then is a good thing...and we're over the 20 or 30 year mark for that.
Again, I"m hoping for $200 a barrel to really throttle this evolution and independence. I'm also glad 7/11 abandoned Citgo (Hugo's gas) and I hope that trend continues. Sure it'll hurt for us but a little revolution now and then is a good thing...and we're over the 20 or 30 year mark for that.
The EPA requirements are stupid. Let's think about this for a minute. Mandate a certain formula of gas be sold in Chicago and another be sold in Milwaukee 4 hours away or even St. Louis 12 hours away (approx). Guess what? There's semi trucks and cars burning *gasp* Wisconsin/Missouri/Indiana/Ohio/Michigan/Iowa gas driving through Chicago by the tens of thousands every day! I've traveled through Chicago my whole life at least twice a year and I can tell you the air quality is no better. Even though we're supposedly improving air quality, these regulations do nothing but score politicians points with environmental activist groups. $200 a barrel would likely only force people below middle class to make changes. Their day to day items that are made from petroleum along with their transportation costs would double, forcing them to more urban areas where public transportation is available. I highly doubt it would change things for anyone else.
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I live in California. We are usually the first to make said changes in things that contribute to air quality. And it catches on. The point being, of course the air isn't isolated within state lines and of course motorists go from state to state burning varied fuels..but other states will adopt the measures until it's a nationwide effort. I can't believe you're arguing that. Our air is actually measurably better. I work in a law office with CEQA attorneys (the guys that write the books law students study on environment quality) and they make the air clean by arguing with those laws politicians use to score points with. Removing lead was because of California. can you argue that importance? MTBE was removed because of California. Emissions controls in CA sold cars are modified and regulated through our SMOG checks at vehicle registration. Powerplants and other industry in California are all reducing tons of polutants daily because of these laws. So it's not just political maneuvering..the stuff actually works.
Of course we now have China going nuts over there polluting our mountain tops with soot from their industrial boom that will grow well beyond our height of pollution levels. The atmosphere is getting very thick because of this..and our spring water we all drink daily is getting polluted (drink purified or distilled water now!!). what we did for European skies over the last century or so, China is doing to us now..and they'll be way more out of control than us since they don't even employ an air standards group in their government. Oh, and they (along with India) are producing insane demand on oil causing it to skyrocket as well (yeah! on topic!).
Oh yes, $200 a barrel will have the same, if not better effect on us than what the '73 oil crisis had on us. Only now instead of producing Pintos and Pacers...we'll move to ugly little cars that run on urine or hair gel...that will explode if rear ended.
Of course we now have China going nuts over there polluting our mountain tops with soot from their industrial boom that will grow well beyond our height of pollution levels. The atmosphere is getting very thick because of this..and our spring water we all drink daily is getting polluted (drink purified or distilled water now!!). what we did for European skies over the last century or so, China is doing to us now..and they'll be way more out of control than us since they don't even employ an air standards group in their government. Oh, and they (along with India) are producing insane demand on oil causing it to skyrocket as well (yeah! on topic!).
Oh yes, $200 a barrel will have the same, if not better effect on us than what the '73 oil crisis had on us. Only now instead of producing Pintos and Pacers...we'll move to ugly little cars that run on urine or hair gel...that will explode if rear ended.
Last edited by IRONCHEF (2007-12-05 14:30:37)
My God, can I ever read a post where the American's aren't blamed. What a joke.
Haven't you heard?Superslim wrote:
My God, can I ever read a post where the American's aren't blamed. What a joke.
We're war-staring, gas-guzzling, bible-thumping, baby killers, remember?
or at least, thats how the European media chooses to portray us, God forbid the Europeans ever step up to fix any of the world's problems...
We actually slid under $3 USD per gallon today.
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I don't know what all you guys are complaining about - why don't you just shun the use of cars like me?