Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

Tbh I actually pay for some music when I can, if I like the artist and know that they could use the sales, whether it's to boost local rep to get better/faster releases here or just because I think they should be supported.

I do pirate a bit of music though. Some of it is in the public domain (wewt classical music!) and some of it is just hard to get legitimately. Other bits and pieces I have are just popular enough for me to not care.
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konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6987|CH/BR - in UK

I basically buy as much music I can afford, and pirate what I can't until I can.
Oh, and if I happen to like a pop/mainstream song, I also download it...

But, for example, I still have all albums of The Offspring, Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, Led Zeppelin and The Police.

-konfusion
Snorkelfarsan
Soup Boy
+32|7044|Stockholm, Sweden

konfusion wrote:

It's all over the media: Music piracy is illegal, and detrimental to the economy. Don't pirate, or you will pay in either fines or jail time. But is it really as bad as they say it is? Does it affect the labels, the artists, or music stores? Who loses here, if anyone at all, and how much of a problem is piracy nowadays?

What do you guys think?

-konfusion
I don't think the music industry suffers a lot from piracy, it's more of a moral matter. On the other hand I have a feeling it's worse for the film industry, there are so many people involved in making a movie that some of them probably get payed less because of piracy. The movie stars and directors dont really loose any money though, since they make so much on advertising and other stuff anyway.
Bull3t
stephen brule
+83|6739
I am not a Record Label or anything but I see no way how it affects the artist themselves.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7153
When they stop making cds with one good song and 12 filler songs that arent good... Than i think things may change...
The other crappy part is that the artists make very little from each cd sold... Radiohead may have found an equitable solution... They made more money with their pay what you think its worth... than they ever would have through a recording company... 
The Recording industry is a dinosaur... If they adapt they have a chance of surviving....   I havent heard any musis recently worth buying...
Love is the answer
Runs_with_sciss0rs
Well butter my buscuit
+121|6629|14072
Before I remember recording stuff off the radio onto cassette tapes, and listening to them, wouldn't that be considered a form pirating? Also, I borrow albums for friends rip them on my computer and then burn them on to a CD, is that pirating also? As long as one doesn't sell the music and make profit off of it, I have no problem at all.
suomalainen_äijä
Member
+64|6603

jsnipy wrote:

Piracy=Terrorism
Piracy = bankcrupt
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6567|North Tonawanda, NY
The problem with the music (and movie) companies is that they treat the consumer like a criminal from the get-go.  That is the point of DRM.  They think we can't be trusted to keep the media we legally purchased to ourselves.  So they add DRM.  DRM does nothing but cause problems for the consumer, and while there are ways around it, it just shouldn't be there in the first place.  Also, media companies don't like the idea of Fair Use, even going as far as to claim that space-shifting your media is a violation of their copyright.

When it is easier to pirate than it is to do it legally, there will be rampant piracy.

This logic applies to computer games too.  Does anyone here remember "StarForce"?  The hacked copies of those games usually worked better than the originals.

But, I think that the RIAA/MPAA better start embracing digital technology, or go the way of the dinosaur.  Piracy is so common because the media companies ignored the internet as a viable option for so long, so a "black market" of sorts filled that void.  Now the *IAA is fighting it with lawsuits and borderline extortion.  I don't think that piracy is really hurting the music industry in a way that's bad for the consumer.  As a previous post pointed out, it makes the industry provide a more consistent quality product.  The overall effect of (internet) piracy is difficult to quantify, because not everyone would buy something that they could get for free.

If I could buy a CD, and it had zero DRM on it, I would probably pay about $8-10 for it.  I don't even have to buy DVDs for more than $7.50, thanks to walmart.  Otherwise, I stick to eBay for cheap CDs to buy and rip.
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6957|Adelaide, South Australia

I buy what I can, when I can. For everything else, there's Limewire.

SenorToenails wrote:

Does anyone here remember "StarForce"?
I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. And a whole lot on my keyboard.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7278|Cologne, Germany

usually, less than a dollar from each CS sold goes to the artist. The rest is used to fund the other people living off that artists, i.e. the retailers, the record companies, etc.
Now, you might ask, why should I be paying the record company secretary, or the store clerk at best buy, or the guy who sweeps the floor at the studio ? exactly.

if you want to support the artists, buy stuff that is not directly related to the music they produce on albums. Buy fan merchandise, for example. A T-Shirt sold will be far more beneficial for your favorite artist than a CD ever will. A lot of them will be selling merchandise via their web pages, and luckily, the record companies usually don't get their share here.
Visit their concerts. This is actually the best way to support an artist. Any profit made goes directly to the artist.

the problem the classic music industry has, is that it has yet to fgure out what the sales structure for the new millennium will be. Most of it is centered around traditional sales via big retailers, and since everyone wants their share, CD prices are much higher than they should be.

Lots of people still buy CD's, but the question is, for how long ?


jsnipy wrote:

I just don't see how those affects are even measured.  Someone stealing something does not mean they would normally buy it.
true. and moreover, if it wasn't for p2p sites, I would have never discovered some of the cool artists I now support by buy their merchandise or going to their shows. True, the record companies are screwed, but they'll figure out a way to profit.
They'll simply have to acknowledge that their current business model is outdated, and come up with something new.
If they can#t do that, they'll be swept away by companies who can.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

B.Schuss wrote:

Visit their concerts. This is actually the best way to support an artist. Any profit made goes directly to the artist.
Rammstein have been to Australia once. If you can convince them to come again I'd be glad to go to a concert.

As it is I might just fly to the UK next time they do a tour there. Might.


Next point, a good friend of mine now pirates all his movies on principle. He copies them illegally for home use. Why? Because he doesn't like the massively long and over dramatised video piracy warnings ruining his movie.
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B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7278|Cologne, Germany

Flecco wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Visit their concerts. This is actually the best way to support an artist. Any profit made goes directly to the artist.
Rammstein have been to Australia once. If you can convince them to come again I'd be glad to go to a concert.

As it is I might just fly to the UK next time they do a tour there. Might.


Next point, a good friend of mine now pirates all his movies on principle. He copies them illegally for home use. Why? Because he doesn't like the massively long and over dramatised video piracy warnings ruining his movie.
I was surprised to know how popular Rammstein are in english-speaking countries.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

We don't have any decent bands in that genre. They are pretty individual in style too.

Wish Megaherz didn't break, and that Oomph was more popular outside of Europe. Along with Eisbrecher.




I listen to a little bit of German music.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

B.Schuss wrote:

I was surprised to know how popular Rammstein are in english-speaking countries.
My boss plays that at work once and a while........it disturbs me for some reason.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7084

jsnipy wrote:

I just don't see how those affects are even measured.  Someone stealing something does not mean they would normally buy it.
The problem is when people who would normally pay decide to steal instead.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6964|Milkystania, yurop

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

I just don't see how those affects are even measured.  Someone stealing something does not mean they would normally buy it.
The problem is when people who would normally pay decide to steal instead.
Its not stealing its "liberating" get it right!!
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7087

Dunno if this has been posted, but I read in an article somewhere that the ability to buy individual songs from an album from iTunes is far more detrimental to the profits of the music industry than pirating music.
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|7090|pimelteror.de
don´t steal music from popstars! they are starving because of piracy!

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konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6987|CH/BR - in UK

ghettoperson wrote:

Dunno if this has been posted, but I read in an article somewhere that the ability to buy individual songs from an album from iTunes is far more detrimental to the profits of the music industry than pirating music.
Ah, but it's only detrimental to the pop industry, as their general standard of work is very poor. Usually, there is one song that is decent on the album, and the rest are bad. Now, you can download the decent song, and not have to buy the entire thing...

-konfusion
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

sithao, 50cent + Thomas the Tank Engine = profit.
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Microwave
_
+515|7092|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

Flecco wrote:

sithao, 50cent + Thomas the Tank Engine = profit.
lolz, how good is that song!




eppppic!

Last edited by james@alienware (2007-12-08 17:17:29)

Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6906

Flecco wrote:

sithao, 50cent + Thomas the Tank Engine = profit.
But not as much profit as Barney teh Dinosar and the not-so-late Makaveli
Johnny_Extremer
I Am McLovin!!!!
+22|6698
It's not that bad. They really don't make that much money off of CD's. They make it more off of Touring and Merchandise.
Slickdawg8
Visit TAW.NET
+58|7215|Long Island

james@alienware wrote:

I really don't think it's a problem (at it's current amount).



Artists and record companies make enough money from other sources anyway (like adverts, films etc) to a point where people downloading their music doesn't effect their income a noticeable amount.


On topic, what really annoys me is some rapper getting paid millions for very debatable 'talent'  - How  yelling incomprehensible words down a microphone constitutes as talent I will never understand.

If anything the producers who actually make the music should get the majority of the takings - that's where the real talent is.



So in summery, I believe it's not bad, at all.
I agree...just look at soulja boy for instance with his song "crank that" ...just garbage that he made so much money off of.

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