Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

S.Lythberg wrote:

Superslim wrote:

My God, can I ever read a post where the American's aren't blamed. What a joke.
Haven't you heard?

We're war-staring, gas-guzzling, bible-thumping, baby killers, remember?

or at least, thats how the European media chooses to portray us, God forbid the Europeans ever step up to fix any of the world's problems...
Well if you want to be sarcastic pricks about it I wont defend the USA next time.

EDIT:

CPoe, I do when I can. Sometimes they are a necessary evil though.

Last edited by Flecco (2007-12-05 15:06:56)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
Shucks...  I'd love to have a real mass transit system like many EU metro areas have.  The San Francisco Bay Area has a very limited and overly expensive light rail system (which i use daily) and an archaic bus system that does not span counties, and there's some ferries across waterways that help..but there's only 4 where there could be double that.  Oh, and of course who have the slackers who need their autonomy and "space" who love to sit in traffic all day when they could ride mass transit.

One thing I'd probably enjoy in Europe is their mass transit system.  I wanna ride through the chunnel too!
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6882|The Land of Scott Walker
$2.99 here Kmarion.  

I'm all for riding mass transit, but it's limited to a bus system whose routes are not at all convenient.  If I lived in Chicago or a similar sized metro area, sure then not owning a car might be realistic.  In rural areas where the cost of living is lower, however, a car is a necessity.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

I live in California.  We are usually the first to make said changes in things that contribute to air quality.  And it catches on.  The point being, of course the air isn't isolated within state lines and of course motorists go from state to state burning varied fuels..but other states will adopt the measures until it's a nationwide effort.  I can't believe you're arguing that.  Our air is actually measurably better.  I work in a law office with CEQA attorneys (the guys that write the books law students study on environment quality) and they make the air clean by arguing with those laws politicians use to score points with.  Removing lead was because of California.  can you argue that importance?  MTBE was removed because of California.  Emissions controls in CA sold cars are modified and regulated through our SMOG checks at vehicle registration.  Powerplants and other industry in California are all reducing tons of polutants daily because of these laws.  So it's not just political maneuvering..the stuff actually works.

Of course we now have China going nuts over there polluting our mountain tops with soot from their industrial boom that will grow well beyond our height of pollution levels.  The atmosphere is getting very thick because of this..and our spring water we all drink daily is getting polluted (drink purified or distilled water now!!).  what we did for European skies over the last century or so, China is doing to us now..and they'll be way more out of control than us since they don't even employ an air standards group in their government.  Oh, and they (along with India) are producing insane demand on oil causing it to skyrocket as well (yeah! on topic!).

Oh yes, $200 a barrel will have the same, if not better effect on us than what the '73 oil crisis had on us.  Only now instead of producing Pintos and Pacers...we'll move to ugly little cars that run on urine or hair gel...that will explode if rear ended.
I think what Stingray is getting at is that the number of unique mixes of gasoline--nationwide--keeps the producers from realizing economies of scale. They keep having to produce specific blends for specific areas instead of one blend for the entire country. If they were able to do that, then supply would likely increase, and the producers would have more flexibility in responding to regional shortfalls.

Instead, they are mandated to produce multiple unique blends for specific regions, when, as he pointed out earlier, vehicles that travel cross-country (or inter-region) have multiple mixes in their tanks, totally negating the rationale for unique mixes. If the CA mix was made the national standard, then I would expect to see the price/gal drop nationwide, as the bottlenecks caused by these multiple blends would be eliminated.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|7129|Calgary

usmarine2005 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
How many oil companies do you have?  How many oil reserves do you have?  How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?


Hush.
Well, Since you brought it up, here's my 2 cents worth.


http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/OurBusiness/oilsands.asp
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7157|California

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't know what all you guys are complaining about - why don't you just shun the use of cars like me?
I wish that was feasible.

Ireland: 84,412 km²

California: 410,000 km²

My job is 20 miles away. I would take the bus if it was feasible. But buses suck in California.

I also do a shit-load of firefighting training all the way up to Trinity, CA, which is nearly a 1200 mile round trip commute.

I need a car, plain and simple. I wish I didn't, but I do. Therefore Oil will have my BALLS until it reaches a point I can no longer sustain the cost, or it runs out, which ever comes first.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7198

Superslim wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
How many oil companies do you have?  How many oil reserves do you have?  How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?


Hush.
Well, Since you brought it up, here's my 2 cents worth.


http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/OurBusiness/oilsands.asp
Are you IG?  Are you from Ireland?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7108|UK
Does it matter who answers your question?!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7198

m3thod wrote:

Does it matter who answers your question?!
Yes..it was specifically aimed at IG to be honest.
JetSniper
R.I.P [EPIC]Pfcguinn
+113|6773
because gas company's want more money? duh

its not supply and demand

it can't be a natural disaster or the demand of another country.. why ? oh thats easy lol because we get 90 % of our oil from Texas.

The gas that is at the pumps has been gas for about 6 months. it use to be oil. it was safely stored in barrels in the US. So if Texaco drops 12000000000 gallons of oil today our prices should not go up today because the oil at our pump was payed for over 6 months ago.

fact. gas prices hit a low in the late 90's. why? to get rid of other gas companies who could not sell there gas that cheap. what happens when enough firms leave the gas market. only the major ones stay in who set there own prices. aka Texaco-Shell Exxon-Mobil. Lucky for Exxon they own the pipes that are used to send oil and the rigs used to drill and the land where the oil is. so they charge them self more to use there own land bringing the price at the pump higher. there is enough oil in the US to supply Americans for 30 + yrs.

What does this sound like to you? Wall-Mart has low prices. They are so low in fact they take a loss on a lot of there products. They are doing what the gas companies did in the 60's and 90's. Next they will either buy up other stores like Target - Sears/Kmart and let small ones go out of business then set there prices so high no one can afford there crap. (aka making a monopoly)

Hybrids are not an option. They use more Oil to make and cause more pollution to make then a regular gas powered car. And how do you run a hybrid car??? Energy. were does that energy come from. a battery. where does that battery get its energy. OIL LOL.

another fact. The Russians found a better way to make gas from coal. so the US gov started to work on it. its more economical and cost a lot less. would be a few bux a barrel. when Exxon heard about this they told the US Gov to stop because they are interfering with the right to business. So they had to stop.

Gas companies are making a record amount of money they also don't pay taxes on most of there profit because they don't report it also there is a record amount of oil in the US this year then there ever has.

i have spent about 90 % of my semester in Economics learning about how the oil companys are sticking it to us.


PS: there never has been a gas shortage. in the 60's there are records of gas companies dumping hundreds of gallons of fuel in the deserts of Nivida , California and Arizona.  Now they just have to simply say "Guys this month i only want you to produce 200 barrels so we can say there is a shortage and rase the price up". its what they have done and are doing and will do till we have to pay 10 a gallon. o btw thanks to the US Gov for letting them do this
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7157|California

ChevyLee86 wrote:

because gas company's want more money? duh

its not supply and demand

it can't be a natural disaster or the demand of another country.. why ? oh thats easy lol because we get 90 % of our oil from Texas.

The gas that is at the pumps has been gas for about 6 months. it use to be oil. it was safely stored in barrels in the US. So if Texaco drops 12000000000 gallons of oil today our prices should not go up today because the oil at our pump was payed for over 6 months ago.

fact. gas prices hit a low in the late 90's. why? to get rid of other gas companies who could not sell there gas that cheap. what happens when enough firms leave the gas market. only the major ones stay in who set there own prices. aka Texaco-Shell Exxon-Mobil. Lucky for Exxon they own the pipes that are used to send oil and the rigs used to drill and the land where the oil is. so they charge them self more to use there own land bringing the price at the pump higher. there is enough oil in the US to supply Americans for 30 + yrs.

What does this sound like to you? Wall-Mart has low prices. They are so low in fact they take a loss on a lot of there products. They are doing what the gas companies did in the 60's and 90's. Next they will either buy up other stores like Target - Sears/Kmart and let small ones go out of business then set there prices so high no one can afford there crap. (aka making a monopoly)

Hybrids are not an option. They use more Oil to make and cause more pollution to make then a regular gas powered car. And how do you run a hybrid car??? Energy. were does that energy come from. a battery. where does that battery get its energy. OIL LOL.

another fact. The Russians found a better way to make gas from coal. so the US gov started to work on it. its more economical and cost a lot less. would be a few bux a barrel. when Exxon heard about this they told the US Gov to stop because they are interfering with the right to business. So they had to stop.

Gas companies are making a record amount of money they also don't pay taxes on most of there profit because they don't report it also there is a record amount of oil in the US this year then there ever has.

i have spent about 90 % of my semester in Economics learning about how the oil companys are sticking it to us.


PS: there never has been a gas shortage. in the 60's there are records of gas companies dumping hundreds of gallons of fuel in the deserts of Nivida , California and Arizona.  Now they just have to simply say "Guys this month i only want you to produce 200 barrels so we can say there is a shortage and rase the price up". its what they have done and are doing and will do till we have to pay 10 a gallon. o btw thanks to the US Gov for letting them do this
I want documented proof for everything you just said.
JetSniper
R.I.P [EPIC]Pfcguinn
+113|6773
i will get some sites tomorrow. most of it was in news papers he showed us.



hemi ftl

chevy wins
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7157|California

ChevyLee86 wrote:

i will get some sites tomorrow. most of it was in news papers he showed us.



hemi ftl

chevy wins
Dude, all Detroit cars are shit these days. I think we can all agree on that.

But I didn't see Chevy contribute to the Muscle Car era very much...

Hows that feel?
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7102|NT, like Mick Dundee

stryyker wrote:

Ireland: 84,412 km²

California: 410,000 km²
Northern Territory: 1,420,970 km²

Population density: 0.147/km²

Oww yeah, fucking ooowwned. NT FTW!



Wait this is D&ST right? ...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7179|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

usmarine2005 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
How many oil companies do you have?  How many oil reserves do you have?  How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?


Hush.
usm what sort of dumb dick measuring exercise is that mate? who gives a fuck? point is while you complain about the harsh reality of paying 3 bucks a gallon, we have to pay nearly 9...  that's NINE usd a gallon... feel the pain...
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6882|The Land of Scott Walker

stryyker wrote:

Dude, all Detroit cars are shit these days. I think we can all agree on that.

But I didn't see Chevy contribute to the Muscle Car era very much...

Hows that feel?
No we can not all agree on that.  There are plenty of nice cars still coming from Chevrolet.  And regarding the Muscle Car era you clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about . . . Monte Carlo, Nova, Chevelle, Camaro, and of course Corvette.  427 V8 baby!
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7198

IG-Calibre wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
How many oil companies do you have?  How many oil reserves do you have?  How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?


Hush.
usm what sort of dumb dick measuring exercise is that mate? who gives a fuck? point is while you complain about the harsh reality of paying 3 bucks a gallon, we have to pay nearly 9...  that's NINE usd a gallon... feel the pain...
dumb dick?  Have another pint
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7058|London, England
another fact. The Russians found a better way to make gas from coal. so the US gov started to work on it. its more economical and cost a lot less. would be a few bux a barrel. when Exxon heard about this they told the US Gov to stop because they are interfering with the right to business. So they had to stop.
That's why I hope that the next big thing comes from a country where its government isn't so much up the arse of Oil Corporations. I can't wait for these motherfuckers to die, both the governments and the Oil Companies. Probably won't happen in my lifetime though. Why can't someone do a terrorist attack on the headquarters of these companies instead of targets like the WTC and Mass Transit.

/CIA Knocks on my door

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-12-06 10:46:48)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7069|949

Stingray24 wrote:

stryyker wrote:

Dude, all Detroit cars are shit these days. I think we can all agree on that.

But I didn't see Chevy contribute to the Muscle Car era very much...

Hows that feel?
No we can not all agree on that.  There are plenty of nice cars still coming from Chevrolet.  And regarding the Muscle Car era you clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about . . . Monte Carlo, Nova, Chevelle, Camaro, and of course Corvette.  427 V8 baby!
I've said it before and I'll say it again - best Muscle Car ever = '67 Chevy Camaro Nickey
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina
Increasing world demand, corporate greed, outmoded refinery infrastructures, and (for the U.S.) a falling dollar.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-12-06 18:43:35)

Obiwan
Go Cards !!
+196|7131|The Ville
3.15 here in Louisville Ky wtf.....This is bs.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7153

IG-Calibre wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

LOL @ whinging about paying 3 bucks a gallon, try spending closer to 9 USD a gallon FFS..
How many oil companies do you have?  How many oil reserves do you have?  How many places in your country do you drill and how much do you produce?


Hush.
usm what sort of dumb dick measuring exercise is that mate? who gives a fuck? point is while you complain about the harsh reality of paying 3 bucks a gallon, we have to pay nearly 9...  that's NINE usd a gallon... feel the pain...
How far is your work from your house? It's all area tbh. In Taiwan shit is so close I don't need a car. I can practically walk to a big department store in like 30 minutes. I can pretty much do anything by walking here. Gas prices are still cheap, at 1 dollar a litre. It seriously is all about how far you travel on a daily basis.
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twiistaaa
Member
+87|7105|mexico
because people are willing to pay that much. and because you could never really have a strike where everybody agrees not to buy petrol for a week or month or 6 months.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6436|...
more over because of stress/war in countries which provide oil, their companies might go to extremes because of uncertain circumstances, other than that the dollar is declining pretty quickly, so for europeans which use euro the price hasn't gone up that high. But mainly because of tight situations of important oil providers.
inane little opines
Casartelli
No skills, just luck
+14|6587|The Netherlands
In the Netherlands fuel is currently € 1,56 / l
That´s $ 2,29 /l

So that would be $ 10,42 / gallon

And that's the price of the cheapest fuel.



http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ … gasprices/

CNN made this list in march 2005 haha I feel robbed!

Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94

Last edited by Casartelli (2008-01-04 03:53:30)

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