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Ok, I'll keep looking into the E6750.

Is the RAM I picked decent?
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6820161198

I don't know a whole lot about RAM, but I picked PC6400 since it was the fastest I could afford.

thats a really shitty brand to buy from and it probably has crummy timings, but i can't find them.

edit: just noticed you're only getting one gig. thats going to bottleneck everything else you put in that system. 2 gigs minimum.

Last edited by Ender2309 (2007-12-07 21:11:38)

aimless wrote:

I've been looking to buy a new computer, so far I have

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz
BIOSTAR TForce TF570SLI Motherboard
LOGYSIS 575w Power Supply
2 x [G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 SDRAM (PC2 6400)]
XFX GeForce 8800 GTS XXX 320Mb
Some Cooler Master Case

All for about $700

I have an extra PATA HDD and DVD-burner lying around as well as a copy of XP Pro x64

I only have about $800 to spend right now. How will this computer play bf2 and cod4?

Anything else I should look into? All the hardware can be found off newegg except the 8800 which is on TigerDirect.

That'll have NO PROB playing bf2. Thats a good ass setup.

i play bf2 on all high with a nice reso (cant think of it its like 1260x or something)
and i have an AMD 3200 which is a single core 2ghz. 2gb ram and a 7800gt oc

With timings, lower numbers are better. But those sometimes require a higher voltage (2.1 instead of 1.8), so make sure you motherboard can handle that. I had to skimp out on some fast RAM because my mobo wouldn't be able to handle it But really the timings won't make much of a difference except to a hardcore, extreme, uber, leet gamer, so don't worry about them too much.

And like someone else said, don't buy super cheap RAM. Not saying you should pay an arm-and-a-leg for it, but read reviews and buy a name-brand. In memory, name brands you can trust are what it's all about.


Also note that if you use a 32-bit operating system, you won't be able to use all 4 gigs of your RAM, you'll need a 64-bit OS; either XP x64 or Vista x64.

Last edited by mtb0minime (2007-12-07 21:54:56)

I haven't tried Mushkin, but I currently have Kingston and it's been going strong for almost 3 solid years.

And 2 GB should definitely be enough for you. Unless you're going to Vista, 2 GB is plenty.


Looking back on this thread, if $800 is your budget, you can still get a kickass system (I spent weeks researching and reading up; the more research you do, the more money you save it seems). I recently ordered parts off Newegg for a brand new computer and the total before taxes and shipping came to $791. But that is without a case Also, I'm getting 4 Gigs of RAM instead of 2, so that kind of makes up for it. Plus I've included a DVD Burner (you said you already had one). I can e-mail you my list if you'd like. Heh our systems look pretty similar when I think about it.

I would highly recommend against getting an HD 2600 Pro. Loads of problems, takes too much power, gets way too hot, and is actually a shit card.

I'm planning on saving my money for a while so that I can upgrade my motherboard (one I just got only has one PCI-e x16 slot) and then get another 3850 with it.

Apparently Crossfire sometimes works really well and doubles your framerates, and then at other times it only adds 5-15

OneSixty wrote:

sorry just to clarify, you mean at all, or as a physics card? I was saying spend 200 on the 3850- then plus another 100 for a 2600 for physics later down the track.
If not then what ati card do you reccomend for dx10 to use in physics ( as they have on thier website, anything x1050 up can be used for physics, would 2x 3870's and a x1050 work ? i would have thought the 2600 was better than a 64-bit x1050 )

ohhhh... I was talking about just two regular cards. hmm so that's what those pci-e x1 slots were for. i was wondering about those. so you just buy a regular card but only a tiny part of it fits? or are there custom cards to go in those small slots. but if it's such a small part, how much of a difference would it even make? would it even be worth it?

as you can tell i know nothing about this. time for more research!

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Bell wrote:

Airwolf wrote:

that power supply should be fine m8...

Agreed

Well, what about future upgrades?

Depends what they would be, as it stands its fine.

To the guy talking about how the cache of the phenom is so much more than 6000+, well, tbh cache doesnt really help so much as far as I am aware.  Go E6750 anyways

Martyn

Bell wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Bell wrote:

Agreed

Well, what about future upgrades?

Depends what they would be, as it stands its fine.

To the guy talking about how the cache of the phenom is so much more than 6000+, well, tbh cache doesnt really help so much as far as I am aware.  Go E6750 anyways

Martyn

OOHH yeah cache makes a differance..

I dont have first hand experiance with 2 new duo chips, but i can tell you, that cache is as important as front side buss width.

You hypothetically could have a million ghz of power, but if you gotta squeeze it though a needle you only get the output the needle was capable of withstanding. Anything left will be built up in cycles. Cache back in the 256k days was useless for gaming, a 1mb made a HUGE differance.
I only imagine how good 4mb quad will produce.. Yes,  it makes a noticble differance im pretty sure..
Get cahce- get as much cache as you wallet can afford then buy more cache.. Youll never regret it. Its a win win situation really. I got a tatt taht says im out of cache,  and out of answers bitch.

OneSixty wrote:

Bell wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Well, what about future upgrades?

Depends what they would be, as it stands its fine.

To the guy talking about how the cache of the phenom is so much more than 6000+, well, tbh cache doesnt really help so much as far as I am aware.  Go E6750 anyways

Martyn

OOHH yeah cache makes a differance..

I dont have first hand experiance with 2 new duo chips, but i can tell you, that cache is as important as front side buss width.

You hypothetically could have a million ghz of power, but if you gotta squeeze it though a needle you only get the output the needle was capable of withstanding. Anything left will be built up in cycles. Cache back in the 256k days was useless for gaming, a 1mb made a HUGE differance.
I only imagine how good 4mb quad will produce.. Yes,  it makes a noticble differance im pretty sure..
Get cahce- get as much cache as you wallet can afford then buy more cache.. Youll never regret it. Its a win win situation really. I got a tatt taht says im out of cache,  and out of answers bitch.

If you take the C2D, and put an E6300 clocked to an E6600 speed, vs a stock E6600, the doubled cahce (of the E6600) only improved performance by around the 10% mark (actually less than that, more like 7% but around that margin anyway).

So in that instance, it makes a marginal improvement, I dont disagree it does help, but not so much.  Now I am aware it might not be the same in the phenom scenario, but I would assume it's the same.  Will see if I can find me some benchmarks to see once and for all

Martyn

[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober wrote:

stay away from ati...thats all i have to say, and i have one.

and also stay away from amd...intel has quite an edge over amd right now in price/performance.

and while PCI-e 2.0 is NOT PCI-e 16x, it is backwards compatible. so any PCI-e 2.0 card WILL work in a 16x slot.

go with name-brand ram. corsair has some cheap 2x1gb kits right now, like 80USD or something. i'll never use anything else but corsair...but thats just me. theres people who swear by OCZ too (i found it quite a bit less reliable).

What's wrong with ATi? They're doing great now as far as low and mid-range cards go, which is exactly what the OP wants.

And to aimless, you said waiting for the 9xxx series? Good luck with that, I hope you can hold out long enough My current computer is just so old and slow when it comes to gaming that I needed a new comp ASAP. I was sitting on it for a few weeks, and once I saw the 512 MB version of the 3850 go on sale, that's what did it for me and I bought everything.

[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober wrote:

stay away from ati...thats all i have to say, and i have one.

Nahh don't stay away from ati, if we all start going for one there will be a stupid monopoly on cards again.
Edit - we need to be demanding higher service from the company you invested in,  half a minute into your cards looking ill.

Just don't get the absolute cheapest card you can get in the range, that's where people on a budget go wrong. 
In comparison , a HIS, Gigabyte, Asus and Powercolor all make a hd3870, with 20-30 dollars difference, There is a massive difference in quality control, and a difference in the cooling device and material used. Asus and powercolor being shit. Dont get me wrong i loved asus, thats a brand id tell you not to buy now- their sellouts, use to make the most rape m/bs around, then jusat said fuck it. I bet you still buy asus boards that have lan/ethernet issues. Only good thing was their bios.

I had a x800 which artifacted after a while, started getting to 95 Celsius and up in 3d apps. Then it said bye bye.. (Damn ati tool is the problem -never have it running, it literally killed my card, and im an experienced overclocker etc  -stock card setting and fan, 1 week over the 1 year warranty i had left \ in the middle of finishing Oblivion too..)
But on the other hand Ive also had several ati cards that are excellent. x1950 for example.

The best thing in computers tech, is that IBM in the mid eighty's, didn't patent their hardware against any company trying to copy their work. Unlike apple who are known for their fast handedness into keeping what is apple apple. IBM basically let other company's try and do some work for them, IBM was copied with the PC 8bit sound card, creative were formed and a sound blaster 16 came out.. etc, now EVERY motherboard you can find has on-board sound and half decent m/boards have almost thx certification ..
  and obviously that's not exactly how history went but you get where I'm going ( just for all you hoes and haters out there )

The exact same thing happened with graphics.. I was spewing on having to spend what little cash i had on a  3dfx voodoo rush 2mb 3d card. Its the  same thing with what ageia are trying. Nobody bought voodoo, rush none of them . By the time games had to have 3d rendering the vodoo2/3/4/5's sold well and people bought them. If we just start buying crap we dont need, then they'll keep selling us crap we dont need. Boycot ps3.
(just thought id throw that in for shits n giggles )

Last edited by OneSixty (2007-12-08 14:06:15)

I dont recommend a $30 LOGYSIS 575w Power Supply.