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2007-12-11 10:36:49
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK
'Should school leavers give a years service to the county or state?'

Right, basically I'm doing a debate on that topic - However, before I do the debate I need to do an essay on the subject.
I'm not asking for you all to do my work for me - I quite like debates and am looking forward to this, I'm just asking for your opinions on this matter, do you have any interesting opinions on this subject? Any worthwhile information?
Oh, I am 'For' (Yes, school leavers should give a years service to the country or state) the debate. (I didn't choose )
2007-12-11 10:39:19
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6926|Gogledd Cymru

Dont use these in your debate btw.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
No u
GTFO
DIAF
Epic Fail
/ban
2007-12-11 10:40:35
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK

The Sheriff wrote:

Dont use these in your debate btw.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
No u
GTFO
DIAF
Epic Fail
/ban
*deletes all current information gathered*
2007-12-11 10:41:56
jord
Member
+2,382|7115|The North, beyond the wall.
What do you mean by service?
2007-12-11 12:20:46
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6799|Vancouver
This reminds me of the Robert Redford film Lions and the Lambs.

By "school leavers", do you mean kids who drop out of high school? I'll assume that, but you can correct me.

In any case, I would firmly disagree with it. No person should be forced to serve a country.
2007-12-11 13:19:48
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
That's not a bad topic at all!  I'm already of the opinion that the US should have compulsory military service at the age of 18 or 19 of all males (females optional) like many other countries have  -this being in addition to the voluntary military we already have.

But drop-outs huh?  (we call them drop-outs)  Since they're not legally allowed on the streets when school is in session, they already fall under an umbrella of responsibility.  Requiring drop-outs 16 and 17 years of age to serve in a paramilitary capacity is a great idea..18 year olds into active duty military service isn't so bad an idea.  It might make the drop-outs think twice...but then, it could backfire and then kids who play BF2 alot may just decide to drop out so they can become soldiers and it may become trendy! lol

Good luck with your debate.  Focus on the ages of the kids who are leavers and how they'd be of service.
2007-12-11 13:20:50
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK

jord wrote:

What do you mean by service?
A year of duty.. ie army.
2007-12-11 13:26:36
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK

IRONCHEF wrote:

That's not a bad topic at all!  I'm already of the opinion that the US should have compulsory military service at the age of 18 or 19 of all males (females optional) like many other countries have  -this being in addition to the voluntary military we already have.

But drop-outs huh?  (we call them drop-outs)  Since they're not legally allowed on the streets when school is in session, they already fall under an umbrella of responsibility.  Requiring drop-outs 16 and 17 years of age to serve in a paramilitary capacity is a great idea..18 year olds into active duty military service isn't so bad an idea.  It might make the drop-outs think twice...but then, it could backfire and then kids who play BF2 alot may just decide to drop out so they can become soldiers and it may become trendy! lol

Good luck with your debate.  Focus on the ages of the kids who are leavers and how they'd be of service.
If it was introduced in the UK, it would definatly give opportunities to those who messed up in school, it may sort out the chav population, especially since many school leavers find nothing to do after leaving. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say these kids, children.. whatever, should be suddenly thrown into the deep end and put into active duty. Some of these kids may even decide to take a full time role in the army after this service is over.

Some may say that is encourages war, but it would be pretty stupid to give these kids guns and teach them how to use them properly in this year of service.

Last edited by Simon (2007-12-11 13:27:06)

2007-12-11 13:26:45
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6986|UK

It's too broad an approch to apply to 'EVERY' school leaver.

And, is pretty unfair, theres so many circumstances unique to an individual, for this to work it would need to be applied to everyone and, that just isnt going to happen.  On a political stand point to, I strugle to think who would approve a step like this, and who would vote for a party putting this through :\

Maybe for people who simply go from school onto benifits :\  Or no employment whatsoever, then fair enough, other than that nope I wouldnt go for this imo.

Martyn
2007-12-11 13:29:56
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK

Bell wrote:

It's too broad an approch to apply to 'EVERY' school leaver.

And, is pretty unfair, theres so many circumstances unique to an individual, for this to work it would need to be applied to everyone and, that just isnt going to happen.  On a political stand point to, I strugle to think who would approve a step like this, and who would vote for a party putting this through :\

Maybe for people who simply go from school onto benifits :\  Or no employment whatsoever, then fair enough, other than that nope I wouldnt go for this imo.

Martyn
Yeah, I get where your coming from - why should the acedemic acheviers be put into the same pool as the under acheviers who didnt give a fuck about school.

Well, It's only a debate, It's good to hear both sides of the arguement though.
2007-12-11 13:34:44
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
You know, where I'm from, if you get booted out of a school or two, and you still stay in school, they send you to a school designated for such kids..a finishing school where you go just to do the bare minimum (not much different than ordinary public California schools, but they have no sports programs at least).  In these schools they get visits from motivational speakers and administrators attempt to apply certain life-skills related teachings to them (something that should be done at ordinary public schools, but don't).

I think your leavers (our drop-outs) maybe should go to some alternative military prep type school...something compulsory where they are held to certain discipline standards of physical fitness, hygiene, appearance, attitude, and language.  I know I would have preferred something like that over my public education...maybe I should invent it. 
2007-12-12 07:38:11
jord
Member
+2,382|7115|The North, beyond the wall.

Simon wrote:

jord wrote:

What do you mean by service?
A year of duty.. ie army.
Well then no. Our Army is made up of people who want to be there, that's why it's so good.
2007-12-12 07:52:21
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7058|London, England
Exactly. Conscription/Obligatory Service wouldn't work with our foreign policy. It might teach discipline, and it would work if our military was more of the stay-at-home type (ok, I mean if our government decided to keep the military at home). But seeing as we're constantly fighting some fucking war or three, it'd be best to leave it to anyone that actually wants to be there. That's the only way it would stay professional.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-12-12 07:53:01)

2007-12-12 07:54:25
Simon
basically
+838|7095|UK

jord wrote:

Simon wrote:

jord wrote:

What do you mean by service?
A year of duty.. ie army.
Well then no. Our Army is made up of people who want to be there, that's why it's so good.
I'm not saying these kids are going to be put into active duty, this service will teach them discipline, it will give them a goal to work towards  perhaps, etc.
2007-12-12 08:19:45
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6884|Chicago, IL
Do we really want idiot drop-outs in our armed services?
2007-12-12 16:01:57
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7205
I am all for it. But what about the cost? U have to pay everyone.

My friend did national service in south africa. he described at as "the worst year of his life and the best year of his life"
2007-12-12 16:07:21
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7127|Tampa Bay Florida

Simon wrote:

'Should school leavers give a years service to the county or state?'

Right, basically I'm doing a debate on that topic - However, before I do the debate I need to do an essay on the subject.
I'm not asking for you all to do my work for me - I quite like debates and am looking forward to this, I'm just asking for your opinions on this matter, do you have any interesting opinions on this subject? Any worthwhile information?
Oh, I am 'For' (Yes, school leavers should give a years service to the country or state) the debate. (I didn't choose )
Fuck no.  Those people are people we should want to keep OUT of positions of authority, even if they have little of it.

 

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