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2007-12-12 04:21:44
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6992|CH/BR - in UK

I was reminded of this when I saw the Christmas post.
There is a strong underrepresentation of Aetheists in the American Government
It's ironic that in a country where there are 30 million atheists - that's 24 million more than Jews in the USA - atheists aren't represented in government. In fact, they are scared to admit themselves being atheist. Everywhere you go, Christianity is still strongly integrated into the American society. If you go to court, you swear in front of god. The pledge of allegiance includes god. The dollar bill includes god...
So, how can it be that the atheists started this movement? The atheists have no governmental power...

-konfusion
2007-12-12 04:34:07
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina
That would be Affirmative Action, I mean I don't mind if a guy is Jew, Christian or Atheist.  I want him to get the job because he's more qualified than others.
2007-12-12 04:37:06
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6992|CH/BR - in UK

sergeriver wrote:

That would be Affirmative Action, I mean I don't mind if a guy is Jew, Christian or Atheist.  I want him to get the job because he's more qualified than others.
So because Atheists are neither the majority, nor the minority, they get none of the benefits? They just put up with what the others decide?

-konfusion
2007-12-12 04:41:14
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7127|United States of America
Serge is spot on. Recently that Mormon presidential candidate (forgot who it was ) had to follow a move Kennedy did as well while running for President as Kennedy was the first Catholic (who couldn't have easily been voted in in the before say the 1900s due to an anti-Catholic bias and the belief that they are required to do anything the pope asks) and this guy could be the first Mormon.
I'm sure the representatives don't neglect the suspect classes when the make decisions either. However, I do believe selecting a religious denomination is a ploy to get votes. It's something about "good old-fashioned American values" or something retarded like that that makes people shy away from voting for an atheist candidate. It is a way to get the stupid vote, who actually would care what religion their representative is.

Last edited by DesertFox- (2007-12-12 04:41:47)

2007-12-12 06:01:15
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7063|London, England
You know what's funny. Here legally we have an official state religion and everything is centered around Christianity. Yet, it features so little in politics/everyday lives and even in the military, that nobody really cares.

Yet in America, you guys have all that seperation of state/church and all that no official religion and all that shit. Yet Christianity is literally the main aspect of life/politics. All your policies and shit derive mainly from Christianity and stuff. Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.

Also, Atheism isn't a religion or anything. It seems like it's slowly turning into one itself. Bit silly and the message is getting screwed up now. Then again that's how all major religions started, so Atheism is really no different and is following the path they have all gone down.
2007-12-12 06:07:56
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7043|132 and Bush

Mekstizzle wrote:

Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.
Which ones in particular?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-12-12 06:36:24
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.
Which ones in particular?
GWB.
2007-12-12 06:37:34
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6887|The Land of Scott Walker

Mekstizzle wrote:

You know what's funny. Here legally we have an official state religion and everything is centered around Christianity. Yet, it features so little in politics/everyday lives and even in the military, that nobody really cares.

Yet in America, you guys have all that seperation of state/church and all that no official religion and all that shit. Yet Christianity is literally the main aspect of life/politics. All your policies and shit derive mainly from Christianity and stuff. Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.

Also, Atheism isn't a religion or anything. It seems like it's slowly turning into one itself. Bit silly and the message is getting screwed up now. Then again that's how all major religions started, so Atheism is really no different and is following the path they have all gone down.
We have no state religion that is enforced by rule of law.  Next.
2007-12-12 06:43:36
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6992|CH/BR - in UK

Stingray24 wrote:

We have no state religion that is enforced by rule of law.  Next.
Strange that the Jewish and Mormon have possibly the most influence over the entire country, and many of the government laws and formalities are based on Christianity. It's not just one religion, it's three of great influence, all of which come from the same background...

-konfusion
2007-12-12 06:49:30
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7043|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.
Which ones in particular?
GWB.
You think he is conservative?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-12-12 07:44:49
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6887|The Land of Scott Walker

konfusion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We have no state religion that is enforced by rule of law.  Next.
Strange that the Jewish and Mormon have possibly the most influence over the entire country, and many of the government laws and formalities are based on Christianity. It's not just one religion, it's three of great influence, all of which come from the same background...

-konfusion
I was pointing out Mekstizzle's false assertion that we have a state religion.  Our country was founded in part by religious men to guarantee religious freedom, among other rights.  It logically follows that our laws would center around that focus.  The fact that Christianity may be the main aspect in life,,and therefore politics, for many US citizens does not establish a state religion.  For that to occur, all other religions would have to be made illegal, which no one in the US advocates.
2007-12-12 07:49:36
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7063|London, England
You got my post wrong.

I specifically said how it's infact the UK that has State Religion and the US doesn't, but it's funny how even though that's the case. Christianity plays a larger part in the US than it does in the UK.
2007-12-12 07:50:48
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6787|Twyford, UK
You can have a state religion without outlawing other religions. We do it in Britain, and haven't even locked anyone up for being catholic for centuries!

Also, I can't resist it. Atheists! Represent, yo!
2007-12-12 09:01:50
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Which ones in particular?
GWB.
You think he is conservative?
No, he says he is.  He looks to me like a neoliberal in some way.
2007-12-12 09:19:29
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6933|Northern California
I still don't conceive why an atheist thinks they should have consideration for choosing a belief set of disbelief.  Truly baffling.  At least agnostics bring something to the table in the form of a possibility or recognition of a being.  But not you lazy atheists who just want special rights for your belief in nothingness and void.  Also, our government is not to give respect to religion so how can they grant representation to you??  And if you're a religion, how do you define yourself as such?

If there's an animal lovers club sponsored by the government and I hate animals, should I expect some representation?

Also, what do atheists do when they congregate or celebrate?  Sit around and give worship or discussion to the lack of beliefs and supreme beings?  Heckuva party I bet!

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2007-12-12 09:21:43
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
who wnats specials rights.  I dont like calling myself atheist but Im sure not agnostic.  I have a total lack of any kind of belief in the supernatural.  I hate labels.  especially when we talk about invisible stuff.
2007-12-12 09:22:31
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

I still don't conceive why an atheist thinks they should have consideration for choosing a belief set of disbelief.  Truly baffling.  At least agnostics bring something to the table in the form of a possibility or recognition of a being.  But not you lazy atheists who just want special rights for your belief in nothingness and void.  Also, our government is not to give respect to religion so how can they grant representation to you??  And if you're a religion, how do you define yourself as such?

If there's an animal lovers club sponsored by the government and I hate animals, should I expect some representation?

Also, what do atheists do when they congregate or celebrate?  Sit around and give worship or discussion to the lack of beliefs and supreme beings?  Heckuva party I bet!
You should expect no representation at all.  The best qualified guy gets the job, no matter he's a Christian, an Atheist or a Mormon.
2007-12-12 09:24:51
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
why should a persons faith, or lack thereof, even be mentioned when we speak about the government?  Governments are creations of man, wouldnt mixing your religious faith with politics be considered idolatry?
2007-12-12 09:25:07
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6933|Northern California
Mormon = Christian.

And I actually meant to address the congressional representation the OP sighted and the fear the atheists would have.  Any fear they have of being an atheist is ridiculous.  If that atheist's constituents voted for him/her then what is the big deal when being numbered among other congressional members?
2007-12-12 09:26:52
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

Mormon = Christian.

And I actually meant to address the congressional representation the OP sighted and the fear the atheists would have.  Any fear they have of being an atheist is ridiculous.  If that atheist's constituents voted for him/her then what is the big deal when being numbered among other congressional members?
Normal Christians and Mormons.
2007-12-12 09:27:29
David.P
Banned
+649|6716

sergeriver wrote:

You should expect no representation at all.  The best qualified guy gets the job, no matter he's a Christian, an Atheist or a Mormon.
Ya right! Not with AA in the states right now for Students Education in most public schools! Why do you think parents sign their kids up for Private schools? Because they hire the best and fuck the rest!
2007-12-12 09:28:09
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6933|Northern California

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

why should a persons faith, or lack thereof, even be mentioned when we speak about the government?  Governments are creations of man, wouldnt mixing your religious faith with politics be considered idolatry?
Unfortunately, the religious right in this country WANT to destroy our constitution some more by having less separation of church and state.  This is why Huckabee has skyrocketed recently because he's the one the religious right has suddenly started supporting (since they won't support the mormon) since he's really laid on the christian talking points in his speeches and debates..despite not having any semblance of christianity in him (yep, the dude denied the christ pretty much).
2007-12-12 09:29:29
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7086
I understand huckabee is the religious right's savior in this coming election.  didnt pat robertson endorse rudy?
2007-12-12 09:32:50
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6887|The Land of Scott Walker

Mekstizzle wrote:

You got my post wrong.

I specifically said how it's infact the UK that has State Religion and the US doesn't, but it's funny how even though that's the case. Christianity plays a larger part in the US than it does in the UK.
Apologies, I misread.
2007-12-12 09:40:58
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6933|Northern California

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I understand huckabee is the religious right's savior in this coming election.  didnt pat robertson endorse rudy?
Yep, he was being impatient.  It's cool because with their "eat their own" mentality, they'll dump the pro-abortion slacker Rudy any day now and go with the flow...and it'll show how truly inspired Pat "assassinate hugo" Robertson is.

 

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