no body said it did. that, my friend is the definition of appeasement.sergeriver wrote:
The World didn't start with Neville Chamberlain either man.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
this is why...sergeriver wrote:
Why do most Americans give the word a negative meaning, I mean there are several positive meanings of the word appeasement, but for you guys is the third one in the OP.
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because the majority of the world seems to believe world history started in 1945, where the United States has ALWAYS been the predominant power.
this is not debatable, not with me at least. You asked why and I hope this give you a better understanding of the negative connotation with that word.
peace in our time.
That's just one definition.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
no body said it did. that, my friend is the definition of appeasement.sergeriver wrote:
The World didn't start with Neville Chamberlain either man.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
this is why...
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because the majority of the world seems to believe world history started in 1945, where the United States has ALWAYS been the predominant power.
this is not debatable, not with me at least. You asked why and I hope this give you a better understanding of the negative connotation with that word.
peace in our time.
you asked why there is a negative connotation. I answered. what more do you want?sergeriver wrote:
That's just one definition.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
no body said it did. that, my friend is the definition of appeasement.sergeriver wrote:
The World didn't start with Neville Chamberlain either man.
Ok, I just don't understand why you guys only take that meaning as valid, when there are other positive meanings of the word. Neville Chamberlain fits the negative.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you asked why there is a negative connotation. I answered. what more do you want?sergeriver wrote:
That's just one definition.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
no body said it did. that, my friend is the definition of appeasement.
And if he's smart enough, he'll realize he can wait you out because you won't do anything to stop him.sergeriver wrote:
If you are smart enough you'll make him compromise by the time you need. That's not appeasement, that's negotiation.FEOS wrote:
And there is the basic fallacy. How long do you wait for the other guy to compromise? Until he is in a position such that you can't do anything about it? Then there's no reason for him to compromise...he's won. And you've just appeased him. Neville Chamberlain learned that lesson.sergeriver wrote:
Nobody is unrelenting for ever. Sooner or later everyone compromises.
We can keep this up all day, Serge. I won't appease you on this.
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please, for the last time, IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN THE U.S.A. STAY THE F@#$ OUT OF OUR POLITICS. gaygentina isn't even close to here so please do not presume to know ANYTHING about our way of life. KTHXBYEsergeriver wrote:
Well, there was a huge change, negative of course, in 2000. Maybe there'll be no magic wand, but GWB will leave, and that's a lot. But I agree that change will be gradual, after all fixing the mess Bush'll leave is not easy task.Pug wrote:
Let me be succicint - seems like the hot points you raised in the OP is that of current US foreign policy, which happens to be led by the president. So it's NOT directed there?sergeriver wrote:
The current management isn't the US.
And for the second part - no willingness to budge from a point = someone is called a nazi.
I do not believe there's going to be a magic wand waived in November next year, if you believe that you are incredibly naive. Change is gradual.
if you want to trade pictures, how about this one:GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you asked why there is a negative connotation. I answered. what more do you want?sergeriver wrote:
That's just one definition.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
no body said it did. that, my friend is the definition of appeasement.
Yes, I know, difficult to compare Hitler with Saddam, but I have heard that comparison numerous times, even from across the atlantic.
did you just call Argentina "gaygentina" ? wow. That's even low for your standards.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
please, for the last time, IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN THE U.S.A. STAY THE F@#$ OUT OF OUR POLITICS. gaygentina isn't even close to here so please do not presume to know ANYTHING about our way of life. KTHXBYEsergeriver wrote:
Well, there was a huge change, negative of course, in 2000. Maybe there'll be no magic wand, but GWB will leave, and that's a lot. But I agree that change will be gradual, after all fixing the mess Bush'll leave is not easy task.Pug wrote:
Let me be succicint - seems like the hot points you raised in the OP is that of current US foreign policy, which happens to be led by the president. So it's NOT directed there?
And for the second part - no willingness to budge from a point = someone is called a nazi.
I do not believe there's going to be a magic wand waived in November next year, if you believe that you are incredibly naive. Change is gradual.
Since I'm the appeaser apparently take your time to think about it.FEOS wrote:
And if he's smart enough, he'll realize he can wait you out because you won't do anything to stop him.sergeriver wrote:
If you are smart enough you'll make him compromise by the time you need. That's not appeasement, that's negotiation.FEOS wrote:
And there is the basic fallacy. How long do you wait for the other guy to compromise? Until he is in a position such that you can't do anything about it? Then there's no reason for him to compromise...he's won. And you've just appeased him. Neville Chamberlain learned that lesson.
We can keep this up all day, Serge. I won't appease you on this.
Gaygentina is not close but, there's internet, there are several news media services, there's a thing called tv, there's a thing called plane (Wright Brothers, 1903) which I took to travel more than 10 times to the US, and I have friends and family in the US, so I know a bit of your way of life. And I have the right to talk about GWB coz he's a political character, not your dad. And even if he were your dad you'd still be an asshole.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
please, for the last time, IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN THE U.S.A. STAY THE F@#$ OUT OF OUR POLITICS. gaygentina isn't even close to here so please do not presume to know ANYTHING about our way of life. KTHXBYEsergeriver wrote:
Well, there was a huge change, negative of course, in 2000. Maybe there'll be no magic wand, but GWB will leave, and that's a lot. But I agree that change will be gradual, after all fixing the mess Bush'll leave is not easy task.Pug wrote:
Let me be succicint - seems like the hot points you raised in the OP is that of current US foreign policy, which happens to be led by the president. So it's NOT directed there?
And for the second part - no willingness to budge from a point = someone is called a nazi.
I do not believe there's going to be a magic wand waived in November next year, if you believe that you are incredibly naive. Change is gradual.
It's ok. We have a few gays around here. Maybe gayKarl would like to come here.B.Schuss wrote:
did you just call Argentina "gaygentina" ? wow. That's even low for your standards.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
please, for the last time, IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN THE U.S.A. STAY THE F@#$ OUT OF OUR POLITICS. gaygentina isn't even close to here so please do not presume to know ANYTHING about our way of life. KTHXBYEsergeriver wrote:
Well, there was a huge change, negative of course, in 2000. Maybe there'll be no magic wand, but GWB will leave, and that's a lot. But I agree that change will be gradual, after all fixing the mess Bush'll leave is not easy task.