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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

GWB.

You think he is conservative?

No, he says he is.  He looks to me like a neoliberal in some way.

Yea he actually ran on the platform of "compassionate conservative". What a joke...

I'm atheist and I realize that groups like Jews and Mormons have more official representation than people like myself.  However, if you look at the actions of most politicians, it would seem quite apparent that they are atheist not religious.

A truly God-fearing person would not behave as a self-serving hypocrite if they actually believe a deity who will judge them is watching.  Therefore, it is my personal belief that most politicians are atheist -- especially the ones who claim to be religious.

More often than not, when religion and politics unite, it is only done to manipulate people.  There's rarely any sincerity to it.  Look at Mitt Romney if you need a good example.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-12-12 21:44:45)

Turquoise wrote:

I'm atheist and I realize that groups like Jews and Mormons have more official representation than people like myself.  However, if you look at the actions of most politicians, it would seem quite apparent that they are atheist not religious.

A truly God-fearing person would not behave as a self-serving hypocrite if they actually believe a deity who will judge them is watching.  Therefore, it is my personal belief that most politicians are atheist -- especially the ones who claim to be religious.

More often than not, when religion and politics unite, it is only done to manipulate people.  There's rarely any sincerity to it.  Look at Mitt Romney if you need a good example.

Jews and Mormons (and the like) have more "official" representation than people like myself?  How do you mean "official representation?"


And just because someone belongs to a religion does not mean they are perfect, holy, sanctified, special, or otherwise infallible.  You non-believers need to understand this because it's pure folly not to.  We adhere to religious principles to 'become' more good, righteous, humble, etc.  Sure many suck at it and are truly hypocrites beyond belief, but it does not reflect the religion itself..the doctrines, principles and teachings.  I for one am not perfect though I'm trying to be.  Jesus in his command to all saints to "be perfect" was in the greek derived from the root "teleos" which means distant as if a distant objective...meaning that he has commanded us to work towards perfection..not obtain it in this life.

And yes, Mit is a tool.  He, like Hillary, are expert campaigners who know exactly what to say, how to say it, and will/have sold their souls to being so precise and perfect...and it's obvious there's no sincerity in them.  This saddens me as I am Mormon and I really would like to see Mitt being a real mormon, truthful, honest, modest, etc.  The only thing that he's got down is the mormon appearance.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Jews and Mormons (and the like) have more "official" representation than people like myself?  How do you mean "official representation?"

There is only one openly atheist Congressman while 6.9% of the Congress is Jewish.  11 Congressmen and 5 Senators are Mormon.

In both the cases of the Jews and the Mormons, they make up very small portions of the population, but have considerably higher percentages in the Congress.  Mathematically, this means they are overrepresented.

Meanwhile, atheists make up roughly 10% of the population.

IRONCHEF wrote:

And just because someone belongs to a religion does not mean they are perfect, holy, sanctified, special, or otherwise infallible.  You non-believers need to understand this because it's pure folly not to.  We adhere to religious principles to 'become' more good, righteous, humble, etc.  Sure many suck at it and are truly hypocrites beyond belief, but it does not reflect the religion itself..the doctrines, principles and teachings.  I for one am not perfect though I'm trying to be.  Jesus in his command to all saints to "be perfect" was in the greek derived from the root "teleos" which means distant as if a distant objective...meaning that he has commanded us to work towards perfection..not obtain it in this life.

One of the main reasons why atheists even bring up religion and government together is because it is hard for an atheist to run for office without people assuming he/she is without morals.  Basically, the general assumption by the public is that you have to have a faith in order to be moral.  Hence, we often feel it necessary to point out the moral failings of the religious.

Personally, I don't really care that much about it.  I'm not like that atheist that Dane Cook mentions in one of his routines.  I try not to bother religious people, but I do find it hard not to make fun of hypocrites like Larry Craig and Pat Robertson.

Kmarion wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Your conservatives aren't common sense conservatives like we have, they're religious conservatives. It just doesn't make sense. And I laugh.

Which ones in particular?

Dont know about you kmarion, but I think neocon fits GWB quite well.  Neocons and neolibs have very little similarity to cons and libs. 

GWB is definitely a religious conservative, but in my mind a religious conservative qualifies as a neocon. 

The real conservatives are people like ATG, who dont give a care about religion and all that bullshit.  (in politics I mean)

Spearhead wrote:

The real conservatives are people like ATG, who dont give a care about religion and all that bullshit.  (in politics I mean)

I´m quite sure GWB thinks he is a so called real conservative as well just cause you or the majority for that matter think otherwise does´nt make it right. It´s in the eye of the beholder.

I used to be like that when I was a rebellious kid but then I learned that being open minded is better.

Atheist isn't a religion atheists. There's not even a reason to have people 'advocating' not believing something.

OP: How about this? How do you know politicians are truly as religious as you think they are?