BF2S Forums Iran tests newly developed ballistic missile

Braddock wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

How dare they spend money on defence.

Bit big and range a bit long for defense.

So the US, Russia, UK, France, Israel etc. only have missiles that can reach targets within their own boundaries?

Iran's neighbour Israel has enough firepower to blow them to kingdom come, why shouldn't Iran develop similar capabilities? ...not that I agree with arms races or aggressive foreign policies.

Thing is, the United States, Isreal and the Western countries are civilized. These other countries are merely lines stenciled in a map. They're a conglomeration of tribes and barbarians held together by a dictator with a hatred for the West. The West and Israel doesn't want to blow the World up, or any country with nukes, so your ignorant and plain childish opinion is thrown out the window right there.

Nice try, come again.

The_Mac wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Bit big and range a bit long for defense.

So the US, Russia, UK, France, Israel etc. only have missiles that can reach targets within their own boundaries?

Iran's neighbour Israel has enough firepower to blow them to kingdom come, why shouldn't Iran develop similar capabilities? ...not that I agree with arms races or aggressive foreign policies.

Thing is, the United States, Isreal and the Western countries are civilized. These other countries are merely lines stenciled in a map. They're a conglomeration of tribes and barbarians held together by a dictator with a hatred for the West. The West and Israel doesn't want to blow the World up, or any country with nukes, so your ignorant and plain childish opinion is thrown out the window right there.

Nice try, come again.

Ahmadinejad is an elected head of state, not a dictator.

Here is Tehran, your barbaric tribal capital of Iran.





Ahmadinejad wants us dead so badly that he came here to Columbia University to tell us that...oh wait.

Nice try with your xenophobia, come again.

Patriot [setback] Iranian Defense Spending

Stingray24 wrote:

So what do you think about Iran's longer range ballistic missiles in light of their nuclear aspirations, Jennings?

First, I believe Iran has a right to pursue nuclear power.  In fact, I think the U.S. should help Iran develop nuclear power.

The only thing that stops me from 100% endorsing the pursuance of Iran nuclear weapons is the fact that they signed the NPT (the fact that the U.S. has pursued nuclear weapons despite signing the treaty equally irks me).  Then again, where are the intelligence reports that Iran is actively pursuing nuclear weapons, not to mention the fact that it couldn't realistically happen for about the next 5 years (according to numerous sources, including the 2005 NIE, 2007 NIE, and Israeli intelligence estimates).  There is only speculation, largely because of Iran's own coyness and denial of IAEA inspectors - something that is dealt with internationally through sanctions, and something that Iranian government has promised to the international community to alleviate.

To be honest, the most likely thing that will happen is that Iran will develop nuclear weapons and withdraw from the treaty, much like North Korea did.  Nuclear Weapon capability does not scare me at all.  Not only do they not have the capacity to deliver a nuclear-equipped warhead to the U.S., they wouldn't even think about it.  I've said before and I'll say it again - Nuclear Weapon capability is a perceived power move.  It gives countries that obtain them perceived legitimacy as world players.  Of course the members of the nuclear club don't want any other members.  I find the stance of the U.S. government incredibly hypocritical in regards to pursuance of nuclear weapons and technology, as much as preemptive strikes by Israel on nuclear reactors.  Imagine if Iranian fighters bombed a nuclear station in Israel - but for some strange reason it is perceived as a good move because Israel = good, and Iran = bad in some kind of perverse geopolitical reasoning.

I don't care if Iran has a long range ballistic missile.  They (Iranian government) know full well if they attack a NATO ally they will get U.S. ballistic missiles (and probably much more) reigning down on them.

The_Mac wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Ahmadinejad is an elected head of state, not a dictator.

Oh yeah, I'm sure, he's an elected head of state, because most of his subjects are peasents and tribesmen, nice showing off your naivety yet again.

Ah so pictures are your end all solution. I suppose all you "read" are picture books and other such childish devices. Architecture means nothing, to say a culture possesses peasants or not by it's architecture is some of the dumbest waste of text I have seen.

Your attempt to back up your feeble explanation to try and explain to me that Iran is not composed of peasants by using architectural examples has failed and backfired miserably.

In the meanwhile, coming over to Columbia university and what I'd call trying to tell the U.S. that Iran didn't have any homosexuals, isn't exactly a most enlightened thing to do either--regardless, it still doesn't justify this psycho maniac having WMDs.

Your subsequent quip to pass me off as a xenophobe has a xenophobe has additionally failed, because I am well acquainted with cultures, such as that of the Tang, Sung, Jin, Yuan, Ming, Q'ing China, Mughal India, and Medieval Orthodox Russia, and you have been proved, thrice over, a useless bigot.

Iran is composed of peasants just as much as the U.S. is.  There may be more rural areas in Iran than the U.S., that does not mean everyone there is a peasant.  I am just showing you that your perception of Iran as a peasant society is off.  Do the 'peasants' grow their food in those skyscrapers?

How about this bud - I have a degree in International Relations.  What does that make me?  A hell of a lot more educated than you in the realm of international politics and global movements, I am sure of that.  Call me naive all you want, the fact remains that you have most likely yet to graduate high school, and I dedicated 5 years of my life to studying international politics and still maintain a deep interest in them.

Trust me Mac, your hyperbole doesn't really bother me.  In fact, I find it rather childish and amusing at the same time.

Stingray24 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I don't care if Iran has a long range ballistic missile.  They (Iranian government) know full well if they attack a NATO ally they will get U.S. ballistic missiles (and probably much more) reigning down on them.

Which is comforting how?  As I have repeatedly pointed out, Ahmadinejad has apocalyptic aspirations to bring about the 12th imam . . .

Pleaaaase, don't buy that BS.  They aren't that dumb as you think dude.  They are just trying to say don't fuck with us because we can shoot too, that's all.  The same than all the countries with nukes.  Nobody is going to nuke anyone.  That's fact.  Anyone thinking otherwise is just naive.  Launching a missile is hitting yourself, which sounds a bit stupid IMO.  It's a game of power no more no less.  Ahmadinejad is not a crazy guy, in fact he is pretty smart and has the ability to be on the spot, which is a lot to say about someone who is not the real leader of Iran.

To all the people that want Iran or believe Iran should have nukes... Do you understand that Ahminijihad is an unstable wack job with a supporting cast of anti westerners around him...  He doesnt need nukes and if you say he does...?
I hope his missiles dont hit your country and destroy life as you know it...

sergeriver wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

To all the people that want Iran or believe Iran should have nukes... Do you understand that Ahminijihad is an unstable wack job with a supporting cast of anti westerners around him...  He doesnt need nukes and if you say he does...?
I hope his missiles dont hit your country and destroy life as you know it...

Ahmadinejad is not a wacko, he's a puppet.  I don't trust his puppet master Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sp?.

Correct...  Khamenei has the real power in Iran.  He's in office for life and can counter the actions of anyone else in his government.

He may be evil, but he's also very clever and not stupid enough to attack Israel head on.  Now, supporting terror is another thing, but that has little to do with nukes.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Well if Iran can have nukes then I don't see why I personally can't go buy one.

I didn't realize you were a head of state.

Being a head of state doesn't automatically make you responsible enough to have nukes.

True, but...  it does provide the legitimacy to have them.

The point is, you really can't expect Iran to not try and arm itself with nukes when a great enemy of theirs (Israel) has them.  If we continue down this road of pressuring them away from nukes, Iran will just have a secret nuke program hidden away in their mountains.

I'd rather Iran pursue nukes in the open, because it's easier to see what they are up to that way.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Call me naive all you want, the fact remains that you have most likely yet to graduate high school, and I dedicated 5 years of my life to studying international politics and still maintain a deep interest in them.

from UCLA, no less.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Iran is composed of peasants just as much as the U.S. is.  There may be more rural areas in Iran than the U.S., that does not mean everyone there is a peasant.  I am just showing you that your perception of Iran as a peasant society is off.  Do the 'peasants' grow their food in those skyscrapers?

Sorry, but a sky scraper does not constitute a city. Much less a nation or a culture.

How about this bud - I have a degree in International Relations.  What does that make me?

A flake who couldn't achieve any higher degree. I like how you try and inflate your ethos, it's just telling me your trying to use a paper in your hand to give you substance, to make up for the space in your head.

A hell of a lot more educated than you in the realm of international politics and global movements, I am sure of that.  Call me naive all you want, the fact remains that you have most likely yet to graduate high school, and I dedicated 5 years of my life to studying international politics and still maintain a deep interest in them.

Well, I recommend dedicating the rest of your career to studying a Webster Dictionary, because International Politics does not equal cultural understanding, as you yourself have just demonstrated.

Trust me Mac, your hyperbole doesn't really bother me.  In fact, I find it rather childish and amusing at the same time.

See, you definitely need to study a Webster, because I never once really employed hyperbole, I made some invectives, but not hyperbole. Sure you didn't get an International Politics degree from a Community College?

The_Mac wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Iran is composed of peasants just as much as the U.S. is.  There may be more rural areas in Iran than the U.S., that does not mean everyone there is a peasant.  I am just showing you that your perception of Iran as a peasant society is off.  Do the 'peasants' grow their food in those skyscrapers?

Sorry, but a sky scraper does not constitute a city. Much less a nation or a culture.

How about this bud - I have a degree in International Relations.  What does that make me?

A flake who couldn't achieve any higher degree. I like how you try and inflate your ethos, it's just telling me your trying to use a paper in your hand to give you substance, to make up for the space in your head.

A hell of a lot more educated than you in the realm of international politics and global movements, I am sure of that.  Call me naive all you want, the fact remains that you have most likely yet to graduate high school, and I dedicated 5 years of my life to studying international politics and still maintain a deep interest in them.

Well, I recommend dedicating the rest of your career to studying a Webster Dictionary, because International Politics does not equal cultural understanding, as you yourself have just demonstrated.

Trust me Mac, your hyperbole doesn't really bother me.  In fact, I find it rather childish and amusing at the same time.

See, you definitely need to study a Webster, because I never once really employed hyperbole, I made some invectives, but not hyperbole. Sure you didn't get an International Politics degree from a Community College?

Like it or not, Iran is a highly advanced country, even by our standards.  if you were to go to downtown Tehran, you would notice little difference from any of the west's capital cities.  Historically, Iran has been the cultural and scientific center of the middle east, and even today, is considered one of the most progressive muslim cultures in the world. 

They made a mistake in electing Ahmadinejad, but, when the next election comes around, I'm almost certain he won't win.  If the west (I.E. Bush & buddies) were to ever stop with the crazy war rhetoric, I'm willing to bet that Ahmadinejad's popularity will rapidly decrease, he has fulfilled none of his election promises, and has gained the hatred of much of the world.

I also suggest backing up your claims with some facts, and trying to be a little more respectful in your posts.  I'm not usually in agreement with KEN-JENNINGS either, but I do respect his intelligence, (and he'll kick my ass in a flame war anyway)