ATG
Banned
+5,233|6971|Global Command
And no, this is not an advertisement for a low budget porno featuring the Reverend and goats.

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/12 … aides.html
David.P
Banned
+649|6715
Yay! But if one goes down the sharpton collective will just make another one in the bottom of the sea in their ocean base, We cant kill them all ATG! Theres not enough ammo!
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7091|Washington DC

ATG wrote:

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...
First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.

Second, I agree that Sharpton has done a lot of damage:  to the Democrats, to blacks, to the clergy, etc.

Third, I hate to say this but Sharpton actually made some comments in the 2004 election that were profound and wise.  It was completely out of character.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7042|132 and Bush

The IRS is racist.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7085

OrangeHound wrote:

ATG wrote:

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...
First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6967|South Florida

Kmarion wrote:

The IRS is racist.
exactly what he'll say im sure.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6967|South Florida

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

ATG wrote:

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...
First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
You can call a black person racist but no one will listen to you.
Just like you can call a woman a sexist and no one would care. Thats why Feminazi's run rampant.
15 more years! 15 more years!
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7085

Mitch wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:


First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
You can call a black person racist but no one will listen to you.
Just like you can call a woman a sexist and no one would care. Thats why Feminazi's run rampant.
maybe in your world mitch, not the real world.Ive read what youve posted before, you are racist.   RDX, Im familiar with what happened with Watson,  but I didnt know sharpton was behind all the anger against him.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7091|Washington DC

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

ATG wrote:

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...
First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
Well, part of it is sarcasm.  But the major point is not, so let me explain.

The concept of "racism" is a negative concept simply because of the oppression, violence, and humiliation that typically is imposed by the "racist".    Whites have done this regularly toward blacks ... still do in America.

Typically, the negative traits of racism only come about from the powerful or the majority (or both).

So, racism from blacks is not the same as racism from whites.   This is the reason why so many black leaders deny their comments as racist, simply because there is an implied impotence:  they are a minority that is less powerful than the whites in America ... they do not have the desire/capacity to bring about oppression, violence, and humiliation in a racist context.

I think that's clear ... but it is late and I'm tired.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7091|Washington DC

rdx-fx wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

Well, part of it is sarcasm.  But the major point is not, so let me explain.

The concept of "racism" is a negative concept simply because of the oppression, violence, and humiliation that typically is imposed by the "racist".    Whites have done this regularly toward blacks ... still do in America.

Typically, the negative traits of racism only come about from the powerful or the majority (or both).

So, racism from blacks is not the same as racism from whites.   This is the reason why so many black leaders deny their comments as racist, simply because there is an implied impotence:  they are a minority that is less powerful than the whites in America ... they do not have the desire/capacity to bring about oppression, violence, and humiliation in a racist context.

I think that's clear ... but it is late and I'm tired.
Oh, then, if that's where OrangeHound was coming from, then ..

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
QFE/QFT
You know, I've spent a long time attempting to understand this double-standard (and other race issues between blacks and whites) ... many conversations.  You might think it silly, but that is the mindset as best as I can articulate it ... and Sharpton is one of the leaders of that mindset.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6732|Éire

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Mitch wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:


why would you say something so silly?  as a "minority", Ive never been indoctrinated into that kind of bullshit.  Racism is racism regardless of what "race" the offender is.  I dont know where youre coming from to make such an assumption.  since when have people started considering only "whites" of being capable of racism?
You can call a black person racist but no one will listen to you.
Just like you can call a woman a sexist and no one would care. Thats why Feminazi's run rampant.
maybe in your world mitch, not the real world.Ive read what youve posted before, you are racist.   RDX, Im familiar with what happened with Watson,  but I didnt know sharpton was behind all the anger against him.
Racism affects us all, even New Zealanders...

(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7271|Grapevine, TX

ATG wrote:

And no, this is not an advertisement for a low budget porno featuring the Reverend and goats.

This guy is a racist and has done a lot of damage.
I normally do not root for the IRS, but whatever it takes...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/12 … aides.html
lol again lol'n

OrangeHound wrote:

First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
100% Disagree, Hate is hate. no matter what color your skin is. If you think one race is superior, entitled to special treatment, minority or not. Period.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|7039|Seattle

I have no input, other than I've always hated that guy. I hope he D'sIAF.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6964|...

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
100% Disagree, Hate is hate. no matter what color your skin is. If you think one race is superior, entitled to special treatment, minority or not. Period.
That's the marketed view, if only it were reality.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7085

jsnipy wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

First, a person from a minority race cannot be a racist ... you should know this by now.  Only whites in America can be racists.
100% Disagree, Hate is hate. no matter what color your skin is. If you think one race is superior, entitled to special treatment, minority or not. Period.
That's the marketed view, if only it were reality.
well be happy that in southern california schools throughout the 80's and 90's, racism is understood to be a problem caused by anyone, not just whites.   cant speak about where youre at.  Where I am at, anyone who truly believes that society says "minorites" cant be racist, must be racist.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|7039|Seattle

Quack quack waddle waddle
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7221|Great Brown North

King_County_Downy wrote:

I have no input, other than I've always hated that guy. I hope he D'sIAF.

King_County_Downy wrote:

Quack quack waddle waddle
in a chemical fire
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7271|Grapevine, TX
Marketed View of Racism? What ever makes you feel better d00d. I know what racism is. I don't need some pacifist to explain to me what hate and discontent is. If you honesty think that a minority can't be racist because that culture doesn't have the "power" or "public persuasion" to make their case, fuck I don't know... you're as deluded as they are. I am dumbfounded that people actually believe this. FFS.


Edit: Why are people discriminated against?  It's because minorities have a tendency to identify themselves as minorities.  This segregates.  They do it to themselves.  They segregate themselves into a subculture and then "fight for the advancement" of their group.  Unfortunately, they don't realize that they just discriminated against everyone else.

Any segregation based on race, color or ethnic group is wrong.  Whether it was done by the majority, or the minority group itself.  No one is better than anyone else because of their color, when a color gets together and fights for the advancement of their race or ethnic group it's racism.  This is true no matter if the group is a majority or minority, black, white, brown, red, yellow, pink, blue or purple.  I will always be color-blind and I will always call those who segregate themselves or others into groups "racists."

"If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." _Dr. Wayne Dyer

Reality check: hope you get one soon.

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2007-12-14 09:25:44)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6933|Northern California
Orangehound,

I think it depends on how you define racism.  I only accept ONE definition, and that is a very general one and it is "the elevating or the making of one race superior to another."  On that basis, any "race" can be racist be it in offensive or non-offensive terms (blacks jump higher, whites swim better, etc, etc as "less-offensive" terms).

But the problem with who is and who isn't racist, is the double standard that let's blacks know that they can degrade, demean, and make inferior the white race all day long and not consider themselves racist.  They actually believe that because their past of suffrage from racism/slavery qualifies them to never be considered racists, or because they're a minority they're not racist.  This is baffling.  What's worse, for many blacks (mostly uneducated ones), it is simply their culture of pride (the negative form of pride thinking you're better than someone) in their race that allows them to say the derogatory things they do and feel like continual victims of white oppression EVERY friggen day of their lives.  I absolutely hate that shit. 

It's hard to talk to blacks sometimes because quite often you get the superiority vibe from them or otherwise condescending verbage when they talk to you.  it's about 50/50 for me throughout my lifetime [EXCEPT BRAZILIAN BLACKS] where half of the black people (the less educated) are just plain rude, or speak in a condescending way that suggests I've oppressed them and their ancestors...whereas the other half treat you equally.  I don't get this from Asians (and I've lived and worked in San Jose and San Francisco where Asians flourish), or from Hispanics, or from SouthWest asians (indian/pakistani/afgani, etc) or middle eastern people...just blacks.  It's simply a cultural aspect of their lives to behave that way...and it pisses me off to where it becomes very easy for me to flirt with being racist...fortunately I am better than that and because of my religious principles and inert moral principles, I do not think of myself superior in any way to blacks. That and I have plenty of black friends whom I love as my own family...who share my opinion as explained above.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2007-12-14 09:55:11)

Braddock
Agitator
+916|6732|Éire

IRONCHEF wrote:

Orangehound,

I think it depends on how you define racism.  I only accept ONE definition, and that is a very general one and it is "the elevating or the making of one race superior to another."  On that basis, any "race" can be racist be it in offensive or non-offensive terms (blacks jump higher, whites swim better, etc, etc as "less-offensive" terms).

But the problem with who is and who isn't racist, is the double standard that let's blacks know that they can degrade, demean, and make inferior the white race all day long and not consider themselves racist.  They actually believe that because their past of suffrage from racism/slavery qualifies them to never be considered racists, or because they're a minority they're not racist.  This is baffling.  What's worse, for many blacks (mostly uneducated ones), it is simply their culture of pride (the negative form of pride thinking you're better than someone) in their race that allows them to say the derogatory things they do and feel like continual victims of white oppression EVERY friggen day of their lives.  I absolutely hate that shit. 

It's hard to talk to blacks sometimes because quite often you get the superiority vibe from them or otherwise condescending verbage when they talk to you.  it's about 50/50 for me throughout my lifetime [blue][EXCEPT BRAZILIAN BLACKS][/blue] where half of the black people (the less educated) are just plain rude, or speak in a condescending way that suggests I've oppressed them and their ancestors...whereas the other half treat you equally.  I don't get this from Asians (and I've lived and worked in San Jose and San Francisco where Asians flourish), or from Hispanics, or from SouthWest asians (indian/pakistani/afgani, etc) or middle eastern people...just blacks.  It's simply a cultural aspect of their lives to behave that way...and it pisses me off to where it becomes very easy for me to flirt with being racist...fortunately I am better than that and because of my religious principles and inert moral principles, I do not think of myself superior in any way to blacks. That and I have plenty of black friends whom I love as my own family...who share my opinion as explained above.
The way you use the term 'blacks' reminds me a little of Michael (Kramer from Richards) Richards' apology. They're black people.

I take each person as they come, I've met Americans who fit the negative stereotype but I'd never dream of imagining that to be the norm for all Americans ...I've met some incredibly intelligent, cultured, globally aware, non obese Americans too . I've met black people who act like complete idiots but I'd never presume that to be the norm ...I've even met some Irish people who don't drink!
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What Church is Sharpton a Reverand in? The Church of Blackness?

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