Basra Residents Blame UK Troops

2007-12-14 16:37:48

#1

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6732|Éire

Well it's good to know your work is appreciated...

More than 85% of the residents of Basra believe British troops have had a negative effect on the Iraqi province since 2003, an opinion poll suggests. The survey's results suggest that only 2% of Basra residents believe that British troops have had a positive effect on the province since they helped the US overthrow Saddam Hussein in March 2003. An overwhelming majority of 86% felt British troops had had a negative effect. Looking to the future, a total of 83% of those surveyed said they wanted British troops to leave Iraq, including 63% who wanted them to leave the Middle East altogether.

...which begs the question ...why do you bother?

2007-12-14 16:40:16

#2

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6889|Chicago, IL

Braddock wrote:
...which begs the question ...why do you bother?

I've often wondered...

These people can't control themselves without a brutal dictator threatening them with death by torture, and we want to "liberate" them?

I say we give them Saddam back and get on our merry way.

2007-12-14 16:47:13

#3

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6732|Éire

S.Lythberg wrote:
Braddock wrote:
...which begs the question ...why do you bother?
I've often wondered...

These people can't control themselves without a brutal dictator threatening them with death by torture, and we want to "liberate" them?

I say we give them Saddam back and get on our merry way.

I know it sounds horrible but if they really didn't want that kind of dictatorship-scenario they would rise up themselves and instigate a regime change. The reality is most likely that many were probably happy enough with their day to day lives and preferred the situation to the chaotic alternative, which is what they have now. When there is real desire for change among a majority it is achievable ...look at India, Ireland, South Africa etc. This idea of 'injecting' democracy from the outside in is ludicrous and unrealistic.

2007-12-14 16:48:07

#4

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

No one asked for external help.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-14 16:56:56

#5

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6971|Global Command

m3thod wrote:
No one asked for external help.

The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.

2007-12-14 17:00:03

#6

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

ATG wrote:
m3thod wrote:
No one asked for external help.
The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.

So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.

2007-12-14 17:09:03

#7

mikeyb118: Evil Overlord; +76|7040|S.C.

sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:
m3thod wrote:
No one asked for external help.
The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.

Let's not get trivial, Saddam was a brutal dictator. Personally I believe what Cheney said about Iraq over the first Gulf War was correct, the country is too fractured to force upon the people any kind of idealised peaceful democracy.

2007-12-14 17:11:44

#8

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

mikeyb118 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:

The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.
Let's not get trivial, Saddam was a brutal dictator. Personally I believe what Cheney said about Iraq over the first Gulf War was correct, the country is too fractured to force upon the people any kind of idealised peaceful democracy.

If Cheney says good morning it sure is 10:00 Pm.

2007-12-14 17:14:14

#9

mikeyb118: Evil Overlord; +76|7040|S.C.

So no real debate then, just more silly replies.

invite me back when you have something better to say

Last edited by mikeyb118 (2007-12-14 17:15:26)

2007-12-14 17:15:24

#10

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

mikeyb118 wrote:
So no real debate then, just more silly replies.

No silly, be realistic, Cheney is a liar, and if you buy anything of the BS he says you are kinda naive.

2007-12-14 17:16:50

#11

mikeyb118: Evil Overlord; +76|7040|S.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
I prefer hypocrite.

2007-12-14 17:18:30

#12

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

mikeyb118 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
I prefer hypocrite.

Agreed. He's both. And btw I just ate, pls don't put Cheney on video pls.

PS: I already saw that interview.

2007-12-14 17:18:43

#13

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

mikeyb118 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:

The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.
Let's not get trivial, Saddam was a brutal dictator. Personally I believe what Cheney said about Iraq over the first Gulf War was correct, the country is too fractured to force upon the people any kind of idealised peaceful democracy.

Democracy perpetuates from within.....not from 10,000 feet.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-14 17:20:05

#14

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

m3thod wrote:
mikeyb118 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.
Let's not get trivial, Saddam was a brutal dictator. Personally I believe what Cheney said about Iraq over the first Gulf War was correct, the country is too fractured to force upon the people any kind of idealised peaceful democracy.
Democracy perpetuates from within.....not from 10,000 feet.

Or from 10,000 miles away.

2007-12-14 17:20:30

#15

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

ATG wrote:
m3thod wrote:
No one asked for external help.
The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.

Didn't know Kuwait was in Basra or did you need to pad your argument? So I'll rephrase, the majority did not request external assistance. Lets face it teh US/UK whoever are not perceived as the good guys in the middle east, so why you would want to help people that hate you is waaaaaaaaay beyond me.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-14 18:27:37

#16

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:
m3thod wrote:
No one asked for external help.
The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.

Oh jeez

You people seem to forget (or want to forget since it hurts your argument), how much the Kurds have prospered since Saddam was removed from power. The media sure as fuck does not talk about, as well as you. Which makes some of you worse than the media...even Fox.

2007-12-14 18:34:06

#17

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:

The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.
Oh jeez

You people seem to forget (or want to forget since it hurts your argument), how much the Kurds have prospered since Saddam was removed from power. The media sure as fuck does not talk about, as well as you. Which makes some of you worse than the media...even Fox.

How much have the whole Iraq improved? I want to know because the media sure as fuck does not talk about it, except maybe Fox, but I don't watch it.

2007-12-14 18:35:34

#18

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

sergeriver wrote:
How much have the whole Iraq improved? I want to know because the media sure as fuck does not talk about it, except maybe Fox, but I don't watch it.

Let's put it this way..

The ones who supported or were too afraid to do anything about Saddam are having a hard time. The ones who were oppressed now get to live their lives as they see fit.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2007-12-14 18:35:56)

2007-12-14 18:35:58

#19

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7113|UK

The Kurds are not a significant proportion to the Iraqi population. Approx 6 million people are prospering out of a total 26 million. Does that sound like resounding success? Sure it's good to hear, but no means something to boast about.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-14 18:38:49

#20

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
How much have the whole Iraq improved? I want to know because the media sure as fuck does not talk about it, except maybe Fox, but I don't watch it.
Let's put it this way..

The ones who supported or were too afraid to do anything about Saddam are having a hard time. The ones who were oppressed now get to live their lives as they see fit.

So, you may say a great part of Iraq is having a hard time. And the Kurds will have a hard time with the Turks sooner or later. So, it's a win-win situation for...who?

2007-12-14 18:42:03

#21

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7204

sergeriver wrote:
So, you may say a great part of Iraq is having a hard time. And the Kurds will have a hard time with the Turks sooner or later. So, it's a win-win situation for...who?

I am not sure what the stats are tbh. I know more and more people are coming back to Iraq. As to what percentage.....I don't know.

2007-12-14 18:43:56

#22

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7132|Tampa Bay Florida

m3thod wrote:
The Kurds are not a significant proportion to the Iraqi population. Approx 6 million people are prospering out of a total 26 million. Does that sound like resounding success? Sure it's good to hear, but no means something to boast about.

TBH We should have just liberated kurdistan.

2007-12-14 18:45:34

#23

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7199|Argentina

Spearhead wrote:
m3thod wrote:
The Kurds are not a significant proportion to the Iraqi population. Approx 6 million people are prospering out of a total 26 million. Does that sound like resounding success? Sure it's good to hear, but no means something to boast about.
TBH We should have just liberated kurdistan.

That's what Turkey is waiting for.

2007-12-15 09:02:33

#24

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6997

usmarine2005 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
ATG wrote:

The Kuwati people did. The Kurds did. The hundreds of Iraqi college professors teaching and attending at American universities did.
Thing do not always go as planned.
So, if an English teacher in Canada asked for help coz he thinks Brown is a threat the US would invade the UK? Things go better when they are well planned.
Oh jeez

You people seem to forget (or want to forget since it hurts your argument), how much the Kurds have prospered since Saddam was removed from power. The media sure as fuck does not talk about, as well as you. Which makes some of you worse than the media...even Fox.

Is that the prosperous region from which the Kurds launch hundreds of attacks into Turkey?

2007-12-15 09:04:41

#25

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7086

you asked for it....

http://www.badgersinbasra.com/

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