Israel wants a nucealr Iran?

2007-12-15 14:33:59

#1

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6884|Chicago, IL

JERUSALEM —

Israel's public security minister warned Saturday that a U.S. intelligence report that said Iran is no longer developing nuclear arms could lead to a regional war that would threaten the Jewish state.

Now, I simply cannot understand the logic the Israelis are using here. This report is guaranteed to dramatically ease tensions between the US and Iran, and make it very clear that the Iranians don't have any plans for war in the near future.

Perhaps CamPoe was right all along, and the Israelis are the ones who want war...

2007-12-15 14:40:06

#2

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7203|UK

Tbh what the Americans say on this matter is not my concern. I dont really care what the CIA or what ever claim is true, i simply dont believe any nation on earth has no desire for nukes to insure MAD.

2007-12-15 16:14:54

#3

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6660|Escea

There's something fishy here, no way would the Israeli's want Iran to have nukes, even so in a conventional war I think Israel would still come out on top.

2007-12-15 20:06:00

#4

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6966|Global Command

S.Lythberg wrote:
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JERUSALEM —

Israel's public security minister warned Saturday that a U.S. intelligence report that said Iran is no longer developing nuclear arms could lead to a regional war that would threaten the Jewish state.
Now, I simply cannot understand the logic the Israelis are using here. This report is guaranteed to dramatically ease tensions between the US and Iran, and make it very clear that the Iranians don't have any plans for war in the near future.

Perhaps CamPoe was right all along, and the Israelis are the ones who want war...

Israel mis saying:

Israel wrote:
Look, we know you are having a rough go at home about the war in the middle East, but don't be pussies.
If you lend credence to the notion that Iran is not developing nukes then they will have cover to go ahead and do just that. If you ignore the threat we foresee as imminent we will have no choice but to attack. So we're just saying, do what you gotta do to cover your ass politically but know that we will not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons.

2007-12-15 20:19:13

#5

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

Another interpretation could be....

We'd like to destroy Iran just as much as they'd like to destroy us, because we're both fucked up countries that America might as well wipe from the face of the earth. Of course, we realize that if you were to do that to us, you'd rightfully be seen as Nazies, but we tend to act more like the Nazies these days than you do. Of course, with Ahmadinejad's desire to deny the holocaust, he's quite Nazi in his own way.

But hey, give us a few months, and when you leave Iraq with your tail between your legs, Iran will slowly take over Iraq through the Shiite community while we ready for a massive attack on Iran so that we can test out all those weapons you just sold us. We'll say it's because of the nukes though. And of course, after we destroy Iran, the rest of the Middle East will probably attack us mostly through terror groups (as usual), and we'll just bulldoze over all of them as well.

Before the end of it though, we'll get you to join us, since AIPAC has a dick up your government's ass, and whoever happens to be president at the time will tell the American public that the defense of Israel is central to your national security -- which will incidentally go over very well with the dispensationalist evangelical crowd.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-12-15 20:25:40)

2007-12-15 20:22:44

#6

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7108|UK

I like Turqs intereptation better for some reason. I think its the italics that won me over.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-15 21:21:31

#7

NantanCochise: Member; +55|6415|Portugal/United States

Hmmm, the whole idea of Isreal wanting a nuclear Iran sounds pretty proposturous. No matter how you spin it, there is definately no logic to it.

2007-12-15 21:23:50

#8

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

NantanCochise wrote:
Hmmm, the whole idea of Isreal wanting a nuclear Iran sounds pretty proposturous. No matter how you spin it, there is definately no logic to it.

I think the gist of it is that Israel wants Iran to openly pursue nukes so that it can be justified in attacking Iran.

2007-12-15 21:51:45

#9

Protecus: Prophet of Certain Certainties; +28|6959

An Iran that isn't pursuing nuclear weapons is an Iran that isn't being continually watched with a loaded gun. And an Iran that isn't being watched makes Israel really nervous.

Therefore, Iran wants nukes.

Or so they say so.

2007-12-16 03:07:30

#10

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
NantanCochise wrote:
Hmmm, the whole idea of Isreal wanting a nuclear Iran sounds pretty proposturous. No matter how you spin it, there is definately no logic to it.
I think the gist of it is that Israel wants Iran to openly pursue nukes so that it can be justified in attacking Iran.

I doubt that. Israel (and other countries, most of the European) just doesn't want pressure on Iran to stop their nuke weapons program to let up, which they feel is sure to happen if the US says, "My bad, bro. It's all good."

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-16 03:11:36

#11

Mr Caek: You will be baked, and then there will be cake.; +12|6436|Lincoln, UK

The CIA are probably just covering up that iran has some nukes already...

2007-12-16 09:47:14

#12

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
NantanCochise wrote:
Hmmm, the whole idea of Isreal wanting a nuclear Iran sounds pretty proposturous. No matter how you spin it, there is definately no logic to it.
I think the gist of it is that Israel wants Iran to openly pursue nukes so that it can be justified in attacking Iran.
I doubt that. Israel (and other countries, most of the European) just doesn't want pressure on Iran to stop their nuke weapons program to let up, which they feel is sure to happen if the US says, "My bad, bro. It's all good."

Isn't it rather hypocritical for us to put pressure on Iran to stop moving towards nukes when Israel already has them?

2007-12-16 10:07:13

#13

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6660|Escea

Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

I think the gist of it is that Israel wants Iran to openly pursue nukes so that it can be justified in attacking Iran.
I doubt that. Israel (and other countries, most of the European) just doesn't want pressure on Iran to stop their nuke weapons program to let up, which they feel is sure to happen if the US says, "My bad, bro. It's all good."
Isn't it rather hypocritical for us to put pressure on Iran to stop moving towards nukes when Israel already has them?

Israel got nukes in the Cold War days, when nuclear weapons were seen as being constantly needed, Iran is attempting to get them nowadays, where they are not exactly required any more. Countries that have them can keep them mostly because those that currently do, are highly unlikely to use them or give them away to a terrorist organisation. Iran is a different matter.

2007-12-16 10:08:15

#14

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

M.O.A.B wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:

I doubt that. Israel (and other countries, most of the European) just doesn't want pressure on Iran to stop their nuke weapons program to let up, which they feel is sure to happen if the US says, "My bad, bro. It's all good."
Isn't it rather hypocritical for us to put pressure on Iran to stop moving towards nukes when Israel already has them?
Israel got nukes in the Cold War days, when nuclear weapons were seen as being constantly needed, Iran is attempting to get them nowadays, where they are not exactly required any more. Countries that have them can keep them mostly because those that currently do, are highly unlikely to use them or give them away to a terrorist organisation. Iran is a different matter.

Iran is no more likely to hand nukes to terrorists than Pakistan is. Iran also has a much more stable government than Pakistan.

2007-12-16 10:12:56

#15

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6660|Escea

Turquoise wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Isn't it rather hypocritical for us to put pressure on Iran to stop moving towards nukes when Israel already has them?
Israel got nukes in the Cold War days, when nuclear weapons were seen as being constantly needed, Iran is attempting to get them nowadays, where they are not exactly required any more. Countries that have them can keep them mostly because those that currently do, are highly unlikely to use them or give them away to a terrorist organisation. Iran is a different matter.
Iran is no more likely to hand nukes to terrorists than Pakistan is. Iran also has a much more stable government than Pakistan.

Still wouldn't trust them with them, Pakistan and India have been at each throats with nukes for decades, but have never used them.

2007-12-16 10:15:34

#16

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6842|North Carolina

True enough, but the argument I must continue to make is that, as long as Israel has nukes, Iran will pursue them themselves -- regardless of whether it is done openly or not.

All our pressure does is force their operations underground, which makes our espionage that much harder.

2007-12-16 10:53:44

#17

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6635

S.Lythberg wrote:
Perhaps CamPoe was right all along, and the Israelis are the ones who want war...

Yep he was right

2007-12-16 18:14:59

#18

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

When did Israel say they would wipe Iran off the face of the earth?

Did I miss it?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-16 18:30:54

#19

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6987|CH/BR - in UK

Attacking a country under the pretense of weapons of mass destruction sound familiar to you?

-konfusion

2007-12-16 18:35:12

#20

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

Did Israel do that? No. The thread is about Israel and Iran.

You say "pretense", obviously taking a swipe at the US. Go back and read some other posts on that subject rather than dragging it into this thread. And read the book Cobra II...you'll see that it wasn't "pretense". It was just bad intel.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-16 18:40:20

#21

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6987|CH/BR - in UK

FEOS wrote:
Did Israel do that? No. The thread is about Israel and Iran.

You say "pretense", obviously taking a swipe at the US. Go back and read some other posts on that subject rather than dragging it into this thread. And read the book Cobra II...you'll see that it wasn't "pretense". It was just bad intel.

Maybe Israel will get "bad intel" then. toemaytoe, toemahtoe...
I'm not dragging it in, I'm just backing up Turquoise's idea.

-konfusion

2007-12-16 18:41:41

#22

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7108|UK

'Just bad intel'

It's not Just and it's certainly not an excuse for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of innocents.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-12-16 18:45:25

#23

r'Eeee: That's how I roll, BITCH!; +311|6885

FEOS wrote:
Did Israel do that? No. The thread is about Israel and Iran.

And what's the heck is the difference between US and Israel. Ever thought Israel is America's bitch?

2007-12-16 18:51:24

#24

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

r'Eeee wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Did Israel do that? No. The thread is about Israel and Iran.
And what's the heck is the difference between US and Israel. Ever thought Israel is America's bitch?

They're two separate countries, for instance.

If Israel were America's bitch, she wouldn't have an active spying program against us, now would she?

Enough of the derailing attempts.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-16 18:59:15

#25

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6848|'Murka

konfusion wrote:
Maybe Israel will get "bad intel" then. toemaytoe, toemahtoe...
I'm not dragging it in, I'm just backing up Turquoise's idea.

-konfusion

Apparently--according to the major European powers--the US has bad intel yet again. Which would mean that the major European powers and Israel are in agreement on the threat that Iran's nuclear aspirations pose.

m3thod wrote:
'Just bad intel'

It's not Just and it's certainly not an excuse for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of innocents.

It's not an excuse. It just is. People make bad decisions all the time. Sometimes because they are given bad information, sometimes because their interpretation of good information is poor. In the case of US and Iraq, it was the former.

But this thread is about Israel and Iran, not the US.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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