| Israel deserves to keep WB, Gaza and East Jerusalem | 16% | 16% - 13 | ||||
| WB, Gaza and East Jerusalem Belong to Palestine | 25% | 25% - 20 | ||||
| Palestine keeps WB, and Israel Gaza and E. Jerusalem | 10% | 10% - 8 | ||||
| Gtfo | 47% | 47% - 37 | ||||
| Total: 78 | ||||||
You know, I'm not a Huckabee guy, but that's about as tasteless as "I piss Goldwater."sergeriver wrote:
Fuckabee
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Oops, my mistake, the F and the H are too close.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You know, I'm not a Huckabee guy, but that's about as tasteless as "I piss Goldwater."sergeriver wrote:
Fuckabee
And here I thought non-Americans were civil.
Mario Teaches Typing all the way.sergeriver wrote:
Oops, my mistake, the F and the H are too close.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You know, I'm not a Huckabee guy, but that's about as tasteless as "I piss Goldwater."sergeriver wrote:
Fuckabee
And here I thought non-Americans were civil.
Lol, I'll get it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Mario Teaches Typing all the way.sergeriver wrote:
Oops, my mistake, the F and the H are too close.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You know, I'm not a Huckabee guy, but that's about as tasteless as "I piss Goldwater."
And here I thought non-Americans were civil.
I agree, but how do you connect Gaza and West Bank? I mean Israel won't let them use their roads.CameronPoe wrote:
Israel should remain within 1948 borders and a Palestinian state should be born out of the West Bank, which includes East Jerusalem, and Gaza. A fully functioning Palestinian state in the West Bank (without Gaza) could be good as an incentive to get Hamas in Gaza to pipe down, permitting them to join the state only when certain conditions have been satsified.
Normalised relations with Israel would forseeably see a 'West Berlin-West Germany' style link between the two.sergeriver wrote:
I agree, but how do you connect Gaza and West Bank? I mean Israel won't let them use their roads.CameronPoe wrote:
Israel should remain within 1948 borders and a Palestinian state should be born out of the West Bank, which includes East Jerusalem, and Gaza. A fully functioning Palestinian state in the West Bank (without Gaza) could be good as an incentive to get Hamas in Gaza to pipe down, permitting them to join the state only when certain conditions have been satsified.
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Well given that for every Israeli civilian that a Palestinian wounds Israel slays about 50 in retaliation, Israel probably won't exist by the summertime.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Wouldn't it be fun if it worked this way:
For every attack by one side upon the other, the attacking side cedes one acre of land to its victim.
Oh, well.
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Yeah here we go, the deliberate genocide that Israel dishes out. Do you honestly believe they intentionally kill civilians? Its called collateral, and I haven't seen a number that high of civilian casualties as a result of the Israelis firing on a terrorist rocket launcher position. If Israel was commiting genocide do you think America would be supporting them?CameronPoe wrote:
Well given that for every Israeli civilian Palestinians wound Israel slays about 50 Palestinians, Israel probably won't exist by the summertime.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Wouldn't it be fun if it worked this way:
For every attack by one side upon the other, the attacking side cedes one acre of land to its victim.
Oh, well.
In a word yes, the US supports everything Israel does, good or bad. I'm not saying they're committing genocide btw.M.O.A.B wrote:
Yeah here we go, the deliberate genocide that Israel dishes out. Do you honestly believe they intentionally kill civilians? Its called collateral, and I haven't seen a number that high of civilian casualties as a result of the Israelis firing on a terrorist rocket launcher position. If Israel was commiting genocide do you think America would be supporting them?
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That's cos those the Israelis are targetting use the top of an apartment building or a neighbourhood from which to fire their weapons at them, civilians may be killed as a result because they are firing form these areas. You cannot expect them to get rockets lobbed in their direction and not retaliate, as sophisticated and modern as the Israelis weapons may be, they're not going to zip up a street avoiding everyone and then just hit and kill the one firing the rockets. Also the word 'slays' suggests to me that they are killing Palestinian civilians on purpose rather than accidental deaths as a result of collateral damage.CameronPoe wrote:
In a word yes, the US supports everything Israel does, good or bad. I'm not saying they're committing genocide btw.M.O.A.B wrote:
Yeah here we go, the deliberate genocide that Israel dishes out. Do you honestly believe they intentionally kill civilians? Its called collateral, and I haven't seen a number that high of civilian casualties as a result of the Israelis firing on a terrorist rocket launcher position. If Israel was commiting genocide do you think America would be supporting them?
Example civilian death toll:
Israel - ~50
Lebanon - ~1,200
[2006]
Man you are defensive of Israeli military tactics. Here's some civilian-friendly sharpshooting for you:M.O.A.B wrote:
That's cos those the Israelis are targetting use the top of an apartment building or a neighbourhood from which to fire their weapons at them, civilians may be killed as a result because they are firing form these areas. You cannot expect them to get rockets lobbed in their direction and not retaliate, as sophisticated and modern as the Israelis weapons may be, they're not going to zip up a street avoiding everyone and then just hit and kill the one firing the rockets. Also the word 'slays' suggests to me that they are killing Palestinian civilians on purpose rather than accidental deaths as a result of collateral damage.
They couldn't care less about civilians.On 1 August it was reported that around 250 properties had been hit by IDF air strikes in the Baalbek area. The BBC described many of the homes as having "no apparent connection with Hezbollah," although the Associated Press described the targets as "suspected Hezbollah positions."
An IDF missile hit the home of the village's mayor, Hussein Jamaleddin, killing his son Ali, and six other relatives. The mayor, a reported political opponent of Hezbollah, survived the attack and witnesses said the building had apparently been attacked "randomly".
On 6 August it was reported that a total of "2,000 bombs" had been dropped on the town of Aitaroun by the IDF almost destroying it completely.
Of Israel, Human Rights Watch has said that there is evidence that Israel used cluster bombs too close to civilians and described them as "unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians" and that "they should never be used in populated areas."
On White Phosphorus munitions: "Protocol III on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons of the UN Convention on the Prohibition or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits the use of such weapons against civilians. And it prohibits making any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by incendiary weapons." On 22 October, an Israeli government liaison said that the IDF had employed phosphorus munitions.
The Jerusalem Post reported that GBU-28 "bunker buster" (Depleted Uranium) munitions are in use by the IDF against civilian infrastructure which the IDF claim houses Hezbollah. Depleted Uranium leaves behind radioactive material which is believed by some to be linked to Gulf War Syndrome.
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I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.usmarine2005 wrote:
I thought you did not care what happened in other countries Cam? I thought you said it was none of your business?
QFEusmarine2005 wrote:
I thought you did not care what happened in other countries Cam? I thought you said it was none of your business?
Perhaps you'd prefer to address my response rather than patting usmarine in the anus.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
QFEusmarine2005 wrote:
I thought you did not care what happened in other countries Cam? I thought you said it was none of your business?
Answer to OP GTFO, yeah I like that choice.
Still doesn't affect you in Ireland does it? Nope. If you are going to preach isolationism...practice it.CameronPoe wrote:
I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.usmarine2005 wrote:
I thought you did not care what happened in other countries Cam? I thought you said it was none of your business?
We have a winner... Set up a reasonable Palestinian state, and have Isreal tell everyone "okay, we're out of your shit, leave us alone and if someone sets off a suicide bomb in Israel again we'll DNA test him, identify his remains, and brutally murder every single person who is related to him, 100 deep." I mean it. Kill his mother, father, kids, sisters, brothers, cousins, grandparents, everyone. That'll teach those yahoos to get their firends and family under control. When it's your ass if the dipshit in the apartment next to you is making a car bomb you won't be as likely to look the other way.CameronPoe wrote:
Israel should remain within 1948 borders and a Palestinian state should be born out of the West Bank, which includes East Jerusalem, and Gaza. A fully functioning Palestinian state in the West Bank (without Gaza) could be good as an incentive to get Hamas in Gaza to pipe down, permitting them to join the state only when certain conditions have been satsified.
Listen dude. If one country can fuck with another countries borders then that presents a danger to us all by setting a precedent. It's like letting Hitler get away with annexing Czechoslovakia. It is a threat to the ability to operate within closed borders i.e., to be isolationist. But I guess that's a little over your head.usmarine2005 wrote:
Still doesn't affect you in Ireland does it? Nope. If you are going to preach isolationism...practice it.CameronPoe wrote:
I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.usmarine2005 wrote:
I thought you did not care what happened in other countries Cam? I thought you said it was none of your business?
Do you care about Hamas and Palestinians Rockets From Iran shooting Israelis? Or how about the casual traveler to Tel-Avie going in to a busy shopping mall and pushing a lil red button killing innocent families? Do you care then?CameronPoe wrote:
I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.
So why doen't Ireland go stop them? Words won't stop them babe. But I guess that is a little over your head.CameronPoe wrote:
Listen dude. If one country can fuck with another countries borders then that presents a danger to us all by setting a precedent. It's like letting Hitler get away with annexing Czechoslovakia. It is a threat to the ability to operate within closed borders i.e., to be isolationist. But I guess that's a little over your head.usmarine2005 wrote:
Still doesn't affect you in Ireland does it? Nope. If you are going to preach isolationism...practice it.CameronPoe wrote:
I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.
Well of course I do. Israelis are ordinary hard-working human beings just like the rest of us. That's the problem with some of you people - you automatically assume I have no compassion for the Israelis simply because I side with the Palestinians in terms of who has been 'jipped'. In case you were oblivious to my other posts in this thread: I ENDORSE A TWO-STATE SOLUTION. Capische?(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
Do you care about Hamas and Palestinians Rockets From Iran shooting Israelis? Or how about the casual traveler to Tel-Avie going in to a busy shopping mall and pushing a lil red button killing innocent families? Do you care then?CameronPoe wrote:
I care about international conflict and when things spill over borders. You know: when people can't mind their own fucking business and stick to their own affairs? In this case we're talking about the southern Lebanese border. I couldn't give a rat's ass what happens internally within Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the US, etc.: I just don't like it when people go marching into other people's countries, kind of like what the Brits did to Ireland.