No mikkel, not at all. The simple fact is that Opera probably has alot of security breaches that can't be as easily found because it's closed-source. Not finding them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Mozilla Firefoxelbekko wrote:
No mikkel, not at all. The simple fact is that Opera probably has alot of security breaches that can't be as easily found because it's closed-source. Not finding them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Opera
I am pretty sure they know what they are doing.
My point still stands.
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I'll try to explainZimmer wrote:
Mozilla Firefoxelbekko wrote:
No mikkel, not at all. The simple fact is that Opera probably has alot of security breaches that can't be as easily found because it's closed-source. Not finding them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Opera
I am pretty sure they know what they are doing.
Firefox is open source. What does that mean? Everyone can look into the code. If you can see the code, you can find vulnerabilities relative easy because you can see how the program works. You'll also be able to see what will happen if you enter some input, because you can see the code. You are able to know in advance what will happen if you try something.
Opera however is not open source. You don't know what is inside the program. The only way to find vulnerabilities is just trying by good luck. Another option is bruteforcing.
So it's a lot harder to find vulnerabilities in opera, because you don't know the code and you don't know where it might go wrong.
Does this mean there are less vulnerabilities? Not necessarily, they are just harder to find. Maybe they are found by a few die-hards and they are using it to exploit. In an open source program it's more likely more people find it, and eventually there will be some guy who reports it, and then they'll find a fix for it.
Is Opera more secure? We don't know, maybe the program is more safe, because less vulnerabilites are known for the LARGE crowd. But maybe there is a huge exploit that hasn't been made public yet.
In the long run, an open source program will always be safer than a closed source one. Because of the work of thousands of people going through the code on a daily base. Yes, more errors might be found, but in the end it will be more safe.
So at the moment we can't be sure which one is safer, the only thing is that about KNOWN bugs, opera seems to have less by some tests.
If I have to chose, I would go for FF. Open source is still the way to go!
Well they are practical the same, Just a matter of opinion.
I don't need an explanation. I know exactly what open source and closed source is and how they affect each ones security issues. I was just pointing that out.De_Jappe wrote:
I'll try to explainZimmer wrote:
Mozilla Firefoxelbekko wrote:
No mikkel, not at all. The simple fact is that Opera probably has alot of security breaches that can't be as easily found because it's closed-source. Not finding them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Opera
I am pretty sure they know what they are doing.
Firefox is open source. What does that mean? Everyone can look into the code. If you can see the code, you can find vulnerabilities relative easy because you can see how the program works. You'll also be able to see what will happen if you enter some input, because you can see the code. You are able to know in advance what will happen if you try something.
Opera however is not open source. You don't know what is inside the program. The only way to find vulnerabilities is just trying by good luck. Another option is bruteforcing.
So it's a lot harder to find vulnerabilities in opera, because you don't know the code and you don't know where it might go wrong.
Does this mean there are less vulnerabilities? Not necessarily, they are just harder to find. Maybe they are found by a few die-hards and they are using it to exploit. In an open source program it's more likely more people find it, and eventually there will be some guy who reports it, and then they'll find a fix for it.
Is Opera more secure? We don't know, maybe the program is more safe, because less vulnerabilites are known for the LARGE crowd. But maybe there is a huge exploit that hasn't been made public yet.
In the long run, an open source program will always be safer than a closed source one. Because of the work of thousands of people going through the code on a daily base. Yes, more errors might be found, but in the end it will be more safe.
So at the moment we can't be sure which one is safer, the only thing is that about KNOWN bugs, opera seems to have less by some tests.
If I have to chose, I would go for FF. Open source is still the way to go!
I use Opera since version 7.xx now and I would not change for another. I tried firefox for a special addon (for MMORPG) but back to Opera for everything else. Faster than all (just try it with a 56k connexion!!) and very stable on my PC. Integrate mouse gesture (addon of Firefox) is a lux that I wouldn't loose.
Unfortunatly some webpages can't be opened without IE (not a lot, but.....), i'm not sure, but I think it's the same probleme with Firefox.
PS: my favorite skin is ")) (Smile2) DarkBlue"
Unfortunatly some webpages can't be opened without IE (not a lot, but.....), i'm not sure, but I think it's the same probleme with Firefox.
PS: my favorite skin is ")) (Smile2) DarkBlue"
I use lix-1.5 (skin)
I don't like Opera, doesn't work with certain websites, like airsoftatlanta.com
Dude.... You have no idea what you are talking about. I just went onto that site. Works perfectly. Loads faster than FF and looks the same._j5689_ wrote:
I don't like Opera, doesn't work with certain websites, like airsoftatlanta.com
That's not a simple fact. There's no probability for Opera having more bugs or breaches than Firefox. Opera has a dedicated security team that deals with its exploits very fast. You fail to understand the nature of browser exploits when you apply direct attack principles to passive attack methods.elbekko wrote:
No mikkel, not at all. The simple fact is that Opera probably has alot of security breaches that can't be as easily found because it's closed-source. Not finding them doesn't mean they don't exist.
People who exploit browser vulnerabilities will realistically never attack specific people. It's simply not practical as it relies on the intended victim to visit specific sites with specific browsers. Browser exploits are intended for mass-distribution, and are meant to hit as many targets as possible, most often completely indiscriminately. This makes finding active browser exploits a -lot- easier, and it makes open source browsers a lot more vulnerable than closed source browsers.
The effectiveness of active attacks depends on actually finding a vulnerable system, whereas passive attacks simply work by letting the user come to you. If you find a bug in a browser, all you have to do is write code to exploit it and let users come to you. Firewalls will be useless, IDS' will often be of little help. You're writing these exploits for people who will most likely rarely update their software, and for people who will become desensitised to updates if they're pushed as frequently as having an open source browser would warrant. This makes the entire point of open source software in the context of security more or less completely moot.
As far as which browser has more actively known bugs in circulation, Opera still beats Firefox in terms of criticality and developer response.
_j5689_ wrote:
I don't like Opera, doesn't work with certain websites, like airsoftatlanta.com
Nice skin Titch.
I love the FireFox fanboy comments on here, they always give amusement.
I use Opera and would never settle for anything less now, the features for me run many times faster than BloatFox and I haven't needed a single extension to do everything I want (even permanently block all ads).
To me it doesn't matter who uses what browser, I'll always be happy using mine.
I love the FireFox fanboy comments on here, they always give amusement.
I use Opera and would never settle for anything less now, the features for me run many times faster than BloatFox and I haven't needed a single extension to do everything I want (even permanently block all ads).
To me it doesn't matter who uses what browser, I'll always be happy using mine.
I just start using Opera 2 hours ago and to everyone who is not using this browser you are missing out on something.