| Israel deserves to keep WB, Gaza and East Jerusalem | 16% | 16% - 13 | ||||
| WB, Gaza and East Jerusalem Belong to Palestine | 25% | 25% - 20 | ||||
| Palestine keeps WB, and Israel Gaza and E. Jerusalem | 10% | 10% - 8 | ||||
| Gtfo | 47% | 47% - 37 | ||||
| Total: 78 | ||||||
Now that's just silly Cougar! The PM was toppled and in effect so was "his" government , a new PM came in and the cabinet positions were re shuffled to new ministers = different government.. because of the will of the people, not because of an election..Cougar wrote:
Tony Blair is not the British Government. Tony Blair was the PM.IG-Calibre wrote:
So who do you think hounded Tony Blair out of office this year in Britain?
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There's always this...Kmarion wrote:
This would be funny if it wasn't sad and disappointing.Consider what peace with Israel - real peace - would mean in the West Bank and Gaza, in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley: Tens of thousands of gunmen (and terrorists) out of work, with no marketable skills - and radicalized by decades of fanatic rhetoric.
No..... The president/PM is NOT the government.IG-Calibre wrote:
Now that's just silly Cougar! The PM was toppled and in effect so was "his" government , a new PM came in and the cabinet positions were re shuffled to new ministers = different government.. because of the will of the people, not because of an election..Cougar wrote:
Tony Blair is not the British Government. Tony Blair was the PM.IG-Calibre wrote:
So who do you think hounded Tony Blair out of office this year in Britain?
Not going OT, but I see Patrick McGurk died today, God have mercy on his soul. Another atrocity blamed on the IRA for years but was at the hands of Loyalists rumoured in collusion with the crown forces..CameronPoe wrote:
There's always this...Kmarion wrote:
This would be funny if it wasn't sad and disappointing.Consider what peace with Israel - real peace - would mean in the West Bank and Gaza, in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley: Tens of thousands of gunmen (and terrorists) out of work, with no marketable skills - and radicalized by decades of fanatic rhetoric.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort … 154657.stm
Didn't see any of those. Guess that happens when your nose isn't glued to BF2S 24/7.Spearhead wrote:
lolunnamednewbie13 wrote:
You know, I'm not a Huckabee guy, but that's about as tasteless as "I piss Goldwater."sergeriver wrote:
Fuckabee
And here I thought non-Americans were civil.
Thats actually a pretty good one. Funny how "Hitlery" gets mentioned 5 times a week on this forum and the first time someone makes fun of Huckabees name someone whines about it.
Oh well, +1 serge
How deeply ignorant. Double standards ftw.rdx-fx wrote:
Where's the option to just give the entire middle east to Israel? hmm?
Palestine was never a state. Never will be.
If they want a state so bad - why don't they ask one of the other middle eastern states to give them a sliver of land?
(Answer: it's the middle east. It's not about justice.. it's not about land.. it's about 4000 year old grudges and having something to be pissed about. I swear that 10% of the people in the middle east wouldn't have a reason to get out of bed in the morning, if they didn't have someone to be pissed at).
Dedicate their lives to being a teacher, an architect, a Doctor? nah.. strap on an AK and a bomb-vest. Blowing yourself up is beautiful in the eyes of Allah. Being a builder, a healer, or a teacher? Nah.. Allah doesn't like that so much. Allah likes airtime on CNN, apparently.
Fsck 'em. Give the whole area to Israel.
Like it or not, MOAB, Israel's engaged in some pretty shady operations since its recent inception.CameronPoe wrote:
In a word yes, the US supports everything Israel does, good or bad. I'm not saying they're committing genocide btw.M.O.A.B wrote:
Yeah here we go, the deliberate genocide that Israel dishes out. Do you honestly believe they intentionally kill civilians? Its called collateral, and I haven't seen a number that high of civilian casualties as a result of the Israelis firing on a terrorist rocket launcher position. If Israel was commiting genocide do you think America would be supporting them?
Example civilian death toll:
Israel - ~50
Lebanon - ~1,200
[2006]
Cougar.. The PM is the head of the British Government, they have a cabinet & make decisions, when they are no longer making the decisions they are no longer the government, so in effect the US government is over thrown every 4-8 years through the democratic process rather than by armed revolution.. same difference..Cougar wrote:
No..... The president/PM is NOT the government.IG-Calibre wrote:
Now that's just silly Cougar! The PM was toppled and in effect so was "his" government , a new PM came in and the cabinet positions were re shuffled to new ministers = different government.. because of the will of the people, not because of an election..Cougar wrote:
Tony Blair is not the British Government. Tony Blair was the PM.
Not sure how the British gov works intimately but if it's anything like the U.S., you would need to topple everyone in the Presidents administration, all of congress, all of the house and all of the senate to effectively topple the government.
If what you are saying is true than the U.S. government is overthrown every 4-8 years. It's just an administrative change.
When did I say Argentina was under-developed, lol. Don't put words in my mouth. Here there are poor people, but this is not under-developed. You want to look smart, but you are making look yourself like an ignorant bigot and a prick. The US, Israel and Argentina are High Developed Countries. Check your facts. And enjoy your country, I enjoy mine. Now I'm going to have enchilada and burritos if you excuse me, after all it's all the same down the Mexico's border.Cougar wrote:
So......sergeriver wrote:
You are the boss.chuyskywalker wrote:
Cougar & sergeriver: I don't really care who started it -- either you discuss things civilly or you can both take a vacation from posting.
Anyways, what I meant by the first statement before you flew off on me was that in powerful countries such as the U.S., Britain, China, Russia, etc etc, people will not and do not topple the governments in this day and age.
1. Because the majority are complacent and would rather endure the problems than to put forth an effort to change it.
2. Because in China and Russia they would shoot anyone at the first sign of rebellion. (China doesn't even let people Google FFS and Russia kills journalists)
3. Because the populations are so widely polarized any sign of rebellion could be passed off as the "non-patriotic other guys" starting trouble and the other half would fight them, thus starting a civil war instead of a revolution.
However, in third world or under-developed countries like your own (you told me yourself that it sucked), the people CAN because:
1. The majority of people are not complacent because of poor living conditions, poverty, hunger, etc and WOULD put forth the effort to change it because they have nothing to lose.
2. Because the governments are not large or indoctrinated enough to find any rebellion and quell it from the start as a larger much older country can.
3. Because the populations are either a) not polarized to the degree that the major western countries are, b) because the governments are not sophisticated enough to play their own people against each other or c) not well rooted enough to garner any major support in the event of an uprising.
So therefore, people really can't change a whole lot in developed countries such as mine but are much more likely to in countries such as yours. Israel would fall under the "not able to be changed by peoples wants' category.
Respeck.
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How about the US gives some of their land - Arizona could be the new Israel.Fsck 'em. Give the whole area to Israel.
Well, in one of the 15 posts that was deleted you told me that people were starving to death there and that I should send money, which totally reminded me of Sally Strothers asking for a dollar to feed an Ethiopian kid.sergeriver wrote:
When did I say Argentina was under-developed, lol. Don't put words in my mouth. Here there are poor people, but this is not under-developed. You want to look smart, but you are making look yourself like an ignorant bigot and a prick. The US, Israel and Argentina are High Developed Countries. Check your facts. And enjoy your country, I enjoy mine. Now I'm going to have enchilada and burritos if you excuse me, after all it's all the same down the Mexico's border.Cougar wrote:
So......sergeriver wrote:
You are the boss.
Anyways, what I meant by the first statement before you flew off on me was that in powerful countries such as the U.S., Britain, China, Russia, etc etc, people will not and do not topple the governments in this day and age.
1. Because the majority are complacent and would rather endure the problems than to put forth an effort to change it.
2. Because in China and Russia they would shoot anyone at the first sign of rebellion. (China doesn't even let people Google FFS and Russia kills journalists)
3. Because the populations are so widely polarized any sign of rebellion could be passed off as the "non-patriotic other guys" starting trouble and the other half would fight them, thus starting a civil war instead of a revolution.
However, in third world or under-developed countries like your own (you told me yourself that it sucked), the people CAN because:
1. The majority of people are not complacent because of poor living conditions, poverty, hunger, etc and WOULD put forth the effort to change it because they have nothing to lose.
2. Because the governments are not large or indoctrinated enough to find any rebellion and quell it from the start as a larger much older country can.
3. Because the populations are either a) not polarized to the degree that the major western countries are, b) because the governments are not sophisticated enough to play their own people against each other or c) not well rooted enough to garner any major support in the event of an uprising.
So therefore, people really can't change a whole lot in developed countries such as mine but are much more likely to in countries such as yours. Israel would fall under the "not able to be changed by peoples wants' category.
Respeck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … ment_Index
I was being sarcastic you dumbass. And I'm not a bigot for criticizing Israel, I can't support what they do to the poor Palestinians.Cougar wrote:
Well, in one of the 15 posts that was deleted you told me that people were starving to death there and that I should send money, which totally reminded me of Sally Strothers asking for a dollar to feed an Ethiopian kid.sergeriver wrote:
When did I say Argentina was under-developed, lol. Don't put words in my mouth. Here there are poor people, but this is not under-developed. You want to look smart, but you are making look yourself like an ignorant bigot and a prick. The US, Israel and Argentina are High Developed Countries. Check your facts. And enjoy your country, I enjoy mine. Now I'm going to have enchilada and burritos if you excuse me, after all it's all the same down the Mexico's border.Cougar wrote:
So......
Anyways, what I meant by the first statement before you flew off on me was that in powerful countries such as the U.S., Britain, China, Russia, etc etc, people will not and do not topple the governments in this day and age.
1. Because the majority are complacent and would rather endure the problems than to put forth an effort to change it.
2. Because in China and Russia they would shoot anyone at the first sign of rebellion. (China doesn't even let people Google FFS and Russia kills journalists)
3. Because the populations are so widely polarized any sign of rebellion could be passed off as the "non-patriotic other guys" starting trouble and the other half would fight them, thus starting a civil war instead of a revolution.
However, in third world or under-developed countries like your own (you told me yourself that it sucked), the people CAN because:
1. The majority of people are not complacent because of poor living conditions, poverty, hunger, etc and WOULD put forth the effort to change it because they have nothing to lose.
2. Because the governments are not large or indoctrinated enough to find any rebellion and quell it from the start as a larger much older country can.
3. Because the populations are either a) not polarized to the degree that the major western countries are, b) because the governments are not sophisticated enough to play their own people against each other or c) not well rooted enough to garner any major support in the event of an uprising.
So therefore, people really can't change a whole lot in developed countries such as mine but are much more likely to in countries such as yours. Israel would fall under the "not able to be changed by peoples wants' category.
Respeck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … ment_Index
Maybe I am a bigot. I'll admit there are a lot of religions, countries, ethnicities and races I don't particularly like, but you yourself are the same way against Israelis.
Ever think maybe, perhaps, quite possibly, I WAS BEING SARCASTIC TOO when I called your country a shithole!?sergeriver wrote:
I was being sarcastic you dumbass. And I'm not a bigot for criticizing Israel, I can't support what they do to the poor Palestinians.Cougar wrote:
Well, in one of the 15 posts that was deleted you told me that people were starving to death there and that I should send money, which totally reminded me of Sally Strothers asking for a dollar to feed an Ethiopian kid.sergeriver wrote:
When did I say Argentina was under-developed, lol. Don't put words in my mouth. Here there are poor people, but this is not under-developed. You want to look smart, but you are making look yourself like an ignorant bigot and a prick. The US, Israel and Argentina are High Developed Countries. Check your facts. And enjoy your country, I enjoy mine. Now I'm going to have enchilada and burritos if you excuse me, after all it's all the same down the Mexico's border.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … ment_Index
Maybe I am a bigot. I'll admit there are a lot of religions, countries, ethnicities and races I don't particularly like, but you yourself are the same way against Israelis.
You weren't sarcastic. And you called me skrawny making fun of African kids, good taste. And I never called your country anything. In fact I must be deluded because the US is the country I travelled to the most. Anyway, I don't like you, but I can keep it civil. It's up to you.Cougar wrote:
Ever think maybe, perhaps, quite possibly, I WAS BEING SARCASTIC TOO when I called your country a shithole!?sergeriver wrote:
I was being sarcastic you dumbass. And I'm not a bigot for criticizing Israel, I can't support what they do to the poor Palestinians.Cougar wrote:
Well, in one of the 15 posts that was deleted you told me that people were starving to death there and that I should send money, which totally reminded me of Sally Strothers asking for a dollar to feed an Ethiopian kid.
Maybe I am a bigot. I'll admit there are a lot of religions, countries, ethnicities and races I don't particularly like, but you yourself are the same way against Israelis.
America catches more flak than any other country on this forum and most people are pretty complacent about it, but say a sarcastic comment about Argentina and WATCH OUT!
Also, I cannot support what Israel does to Palestinians but I also cannot support what Palestinians do when they blow up coffee shops full of kids.
I'm being perfectly civil. I am making an honest effort at debate but you keep drifting off topic. Also, I weigh twice as much as you and I'm probably half as old, so yeah...........technically scrawny.sergeriver wrote:
You weren't sarcastic. And you called me skrawny making fun of African kids, good taste. And I never called your country anything. In fact I must be deluded because the US is the country I travelled to the most. Anyway, I don't like you, but I can keep it civil. It's up to you.Cougar wrote:
Ever think maybe, perhaps, quite possibly, I WAS BEING SARCASTIC TOO when I called your country a shithole!?sergeriver wrote:
I was being sarcastic you dumbass. And I'm not a bigot for criticizing Israel, I can't support what they do to the poor Palestinians.
America catches more flak than any other country on this forum and most people are pretty complacent about it, but say a sarcastic comment about Argentina and WATCH OUT!
Also, I cannot support what Israel does to Palestinians but I also cannot support what Palestinians do when they blow up coffee shops full of kids.
You weight 330 lbs and you are 17? See a doctor man.Cougar wrote:
I'm being perfectly civil. I am making an honest effort at debate but you keep drifting off topic. Also, I weigh twice as much as you and I'm probably half as old, so yeah...........technically scrawny.sergeriver wrote:
You weren't sarcastic. And you called me skrawny making fun of African kids, good taste. And I never called your country anything. In fact I must be deluded because the US is the country I travelled to the most. Anyway, I don't like you, but I can keep it civil. It's up to you.Cougar wrote:
Ever think maybe, perhaps, quite possibly, I WAS BEING SARCASTIC TOO when I called your country a shithole!?
America catches more flak than any other country on this forum and most people are pretty complacent about it, but say a sarcastic comment about Argentina and WATCH OUT!
Also, I cannot support what Israel does to Palestinians but I also cannot support what Palestinians do when they blow up coffee shops full of kids.
I love you.
Ok, not literally but close. 310 and 23.sergeriver wrote:
You weight 330 lbs and you are 17? See a doctor man.Cougar wrote:
I'm being perfectly civil. I am making an honest effort at debate but you keep drifting off topic. Also, I weigh twice as much as you and I'm probably half as old, so yeah...........technically scrawny.sergeriver wrote:
You weren't sarcastic. And you called me skrawny making fun of African kids, good taste. And I never called your country anything. In fact I must be deluded because the US is the country I travelled to the most. Anyway, I don't like you, but I can keep it civil. It's up to you.
I love you.
We are.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You guys should get married.
Shhhh, do you want me to be accused of polygamy?Cougar wrote:
We are.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You guys should get married.
You're in Argentina, not Utah. You should be fine.sergeriver wrote:
Shhhh, do you want me to be accused of polygamy?Cougar wrote:
We are.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You guys should get married.
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They are Mormons, they accept polygamy.Cougar wrote:
You're in Argentina, not Utah. You should be fine.sergeriver wrote:
Shhhh, do you want me to be accused of polygamy?Cougar wrote:
We are.
EDIT:
Wait, polygamy....thats it.....thats the answer. BRB, must make topic.
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To each other. You bitch and moan like it.Cougar wrote:
We are.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You guys should get married.
Warren Jeffs relates differently.sergeriver wrote:
They are Mormons, they accept polygamy.Cougar wrote:
You're in Argentina, not Utah. You should be fine.sergeriver wrote:
Shhhh, do you want me to be accused of polygamy?
EDIT:
Wait, polygamy....thats it.....thats the answer. BRB, must make topic.
It would be pointless to impress upon you the realities of the situation or the fact that I'm well aware that it's a two way thing and I can't be bothered reiterating the history and the circumstance of the region but I will say the following things:rdx-fx wrote:
Double standard? where? oh! you mean that my view differs from yours? 4000 years of being the whipping child of the middle east, now the Israelis have a home. Gee, CamPoe, I'd think your heart would be gushing for the plight of the poor Israelis.
Double standard? Yeah.. I know which side gets their funding from selling heroin. I know which side loads up teenage boys on fanatical religion and drugs, then sends them charging at American or Israeli checkpoints.
Deeply ignorant? Not quite. I know which side to be on. One would behead me for my last name, my looks, my religion, or my nationality. The other side.. suffered a few thousand years of being chased off any decent plot of land, and/or being exterminated. Now they've got a sliver of land to call their own - and are not going to budge an inch.
a) The Golan Heights is a different issue, separate from that of Palestine, and is of militarily strategic importance.rdx-fx wrote:
Cam,
If it were simply about justice for the Palestinians, I'd take a different view.
knowing that Israel's neighbors would take military advantage of any land ceded from Israel to "Palestine" (Golan Heights for example) - no, there's no way I'd support a Palestinian state.
Middle Eastern culture is not Ireland.
Spend some time there. Learn the art of middle eastern Double-Speak. Learn how Lying is just part of the conversation. Learn how everything is a negotiation. Most importantly, learn how there are TWO sets of rules - one for them, one for the infidels, the women, and everyone else. Watch how fast their demeanor changes when they go from victim to victor - even within a matter of seconds.
Their sense of justice and fair play is not that of the western world.
The English and Irish at least understand the same set of rules.
The "palestinians" and Israelis aren't using those rules.
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