Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7067|Washington, DC

http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-home … ban-461217

What do you think?

Apart from it being a bit of a nanny state, I have my own personal problems with this

1. CFLs take forever to "boot-up." You flick the light switch, they turn on, then a few minutes later they go up to full brightness.

2. CFLs don't have the best light. It's a bit yellow to be honest. I swear by those GE blue bulbs.

3. CFLs have mercury in them. CFLs don't disappear when they eventually die out, you have to throw them out. And god forbid you accidentally drop one and it breaks... unlike incandescents, where you just scoop up all the broken glass into a dustpan and throw it out... you have to follow a very regimented clean-up process which is on the EPA website (or some similar site). This involves water, opening windows, and staying out of the room / area for 15 minutes.

4. Why the hell even put the money towards this? LED lights are THE WAY to go. They provide excellent lighting; if they're good enough to be used in cars (Audi R8) they're good enough to be used in a house. They don't have that weird yellow hue to them... pure white. Or blue if you'd like. Or red. They don't take eons to get to full brightness. They can work with dimmers (you need special CFLs to use with dimmers). They last even longer than CFLs. And no mercury.

It's a shame really. The few times Congress actually tries to do something helpful, they don't take the most helpful initiative.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7058|London, England
If they ban Incadescent, that doesn't mean you have to use CFL and not LED. Or does it, I didn't read the article fully.

Oh and something like Incadescent bulbs can't be banned, they need to be phased out. Stock more alternatives and less of the normal bulbs etc..

All the bedrooms in my house are running on CFL's, they're not bad. They do the job.

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2007-12-17 16:48:36)

Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7067|Washington, DC

Mek-Izzle wrote:

If they ban Incadescent, that doesn't mean you have to use CFL and not LED. Or does it, I didn't read the article fully.
It was a bit vague, but I gathered that they'd phase out the manufacturing  / selling of incandescents in the US. I don't think the police will arrest you if they see a GE blue bulb (<3) in your shopping bag...
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
Sweet!  Been waiting for this!  Of course I've already replaced all the incandescent bulbs in my home..except in the fridge, freezer, microwave and oven.

I don't even own incandescent flashlights.  LED, Luxeon and HID FTW!

Hurricane wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

If they ban Incadescent, that doesn't mean you have to use CFL and not LED. Or does it, I didn't read the article fully.
It was a bit vague, but I gathered that they'd phase out the manufacturing  / selling of incandescents in the US. I don't think the police will arrest you if they see a GE blue bulb (<3) in your shopping bag...
It'd be like the mercury switch based thermostats...can't sell a house with them, can't buy one with them, can't find mercury switches anymore...but no arrests or such things.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2007-12-17 16:49:58)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7058|London, England
Hey look, even the adverts are giving us some good places to buy some energy saving bulbs.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7067|Washington, DC

IRONCHEF wrote:

Sweet!  Been waiting for this!  Of course I've already replaced all the incandescent bulbs in my home..except in the fridge, freezer, microwave and oven.

I don't even own incandescent flashlights.  LED, Luxeon and HID FTW!

Hurricane wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

If they ban Incadescent, that doesn't mean you have to use CFL and not LED. Or does it, I didn't read the article fully.
It was a bit vague, but I gathered that they'd phase out the manufacturing  / selling of incandescents in the US. I don't think the police will arrest you if they see a GE blue bulb (<3) in your shopping bag...
It'd be like the mercury switch based thermostats...can't sell a house with them, can't buy one with them, can't find mercury switches anymore...but no arrests or such things.
Most of the lights in my house are still incandescent. My room has a CFL, but I end up turning on my floor lamp anyways because it's not bright enough.

But yeah, LED and HID FTW. Especially in cars... it's amazing how much my mom's BMW lights (Xenon) illuminate compared to my dad's Ford Expedition (old-fashioned lights).
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

That will offset the 450 coal burning plants scheduled to be built in China.. yes? What are they up to now?.. two a week?


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/weeki … l?ref=asia
Realistically money is the only thing that will accelerate change.
That is why several dozen top-flight climate and energy experts sent a letter this month to members of Congress and the presidential candidates seeking a tenfold rise in the federal budget for energy research, now about $3 billion a year.

Some economists say the only thing that will speed the change is money, whether it is called aid, technology assistance, or something else.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
Yep, China will kill us all as they grow like an out of control juggernaut of destructive industry!
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7121|United States of America
I agree with you on that damn boot-up time. I have one in my basement and the switch at the top of the stairs. When I flick the switch, I get halfway down and start to turn around because I thought I missed the switch before the bulb even turns on to its dim setting. It's very frustrating. Also agree on LEDs, I have an awesome Stanley flashlight with those in them.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina
While it is a nice idea, I have to agree with Kmarion.  Let the market make these changes, not the government.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6543|eXtreme to the maX
Any product containing mercury should be banned - Encouraging compact fluoros makes no sense.
LEDs must be the future.
Fuck Israel
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7111|Canberra, AUS
Why do you guys kick up such a stink about this kind of stuff?

This was proposed half a year ago by the OLD australian government, no-one minded then. Flourescents are fine. The NEW ones I have here in Thailand start up instantly. Brighter, too.

Last edited by Spark (2007-12-17 20:00:46)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6659|Brisneyland
Spark is right. They give these the fluoroscent lights out free in shopping centres now. The light is fine ( although I didnt know about the mercury thing) I have 4 of them in my house. One TV show in Oz (Burkes Backyard) said that LED lights werent bright enough yet, although they were progressing really fast and will be a viable option soon. Personally I would be happy to give them a go. Every little bit helps right.

Even if you dont believe the climate change thing, a 100W incandescant light bulb can be swapped for a 15-16W Fluoro bulb with no real difference in quality. Big savings in power. We are running all 4 Fluoro bulbs on less power than 1 incandescant bulb.

Last edited by Burwhale the Avenger (2007-12-17 20:36:19)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina

Spark wrote:

Why do you guys kick up such a stink about this kind of stuff?

This was proposed half a year ago by the OLD australian government, no-one minded then. Flourescents are fine. The NEW ones I have here in Thailand start up instantly. Brighter, too.
I think the issue is that Americans generally prefer having the choice to switch to new technology over being forced into it.  We're not fond of bans (most of us aren't, anyway).
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6782|Twyford, UK
Stupid idea. Bandwagoning.

LEDs are efficient, but not as bright as other types, such as xenon. My bike lights illustrate it perfectly; the LED bit is bright and clear white, but the xenon bulb is really powerful, lets me read road signs, and makes oncoming drivers react.
Although that's maybe because I aim it at windscreen-height, but that's because I'm an asshole.
BVC
Member
+325|7132
LEDs are the way to go I reckon, least power usage of all, and if one LED goes, it won't take out the rest (assuming its wired well).
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7111|Canberra, AUS
LEDs are undoubtedly the best... and undoubtedly damned expensive in comparison.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6434
I don't know why everyone's so hip to these fluorescents.  When I moved into my house I started changing to CF's as the incandescents burned out.  I thought these stupid things were supposed to last for years.  I've replaced more of those stupid CF's than I have my original incandescents.

More expesive and don't last nearly as long.

Waste.
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6967|The lunar module

HollisHurlbut wrote:

I don't know why everyone's so hip to these fluorescents.  When I moved into my house I started changing to CF's as the incandescents burned out.  I thought these stupid things were supposed to last for years.  I've replaced more of those stupid CF's than I have my original incandescents.

More expesive and don't last nearly as long.

Waste.
Don't buy the El Cheapo brand, Hollis.

All the lightbulbs in my home have been quality CFs for at least three years, and I think I've had to replace one CF in that time.
mr.widdim
The Second Apostle Of Chuy
+78|7141|Flaming_Maniac = pwnd.

Incandescent are out-dated anyway, when LEDs come down in price, I am defintely popping those in my sockets... oh my gesh.
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6782|Twyford, UK
Low-energy bulbs do seem to have this habit of exploding. I fully blame them for breaking one of the light fittings, as if I wasn't replacing one, I wouldn't have slipped and grabbed into it for support, pulling it off the wall before the wire jerked it out my fingers,
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6434

apollo_fi wrote:

Don't buy the El Cheapo brand, Hollis.

All the lightbulbs in my home have been quality CFs for at least three years, and I think I've had to replace one CF in that time.
I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption you're ignorant with respect to what brand of light bulbs I buy.

Aren't you?
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7067|Washington, DC

HollisHurlbut wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Don't buy the El Cheapo brand, Hollis.

All the lightbulbs in my home have been quality CFs for at least three years, and I think I've had to replace one CF in that time.
I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption you're ignorant with respect to what brand of light bulbs I buy.

Aren't you?
Inductive reasoning... apollo buys a brand of CFLs that last him for a long time and have high-quality light. You complain that your CFLs suck. He figures you're just buying crappy CFLs.
GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7222|Anaheim, CA

They'll never sell LED lights because it'll take forever for them to burn out and companies will lose billiions.

LEDs have an extremely long life span. One manufacturer has calculated the ETTF (Estimated Time To Failure) for their LEDs to be between 100,000 and 1,000,000 hours.[20] Fluorescent tubes typically are rated at about 30,000 hours, and incandescent light bulbs at 1,000-2,000 hours.
Brasso
member
+1,549|7067

Fluorescent lights are actually whiter than incandescent bulbs imo.
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