SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

usmarine2005 wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

1. They're not wiki stats.

2. You can't dismiss them because you don;t like what they show (that there IS a problem).

Just because you had fun playing with guns in the army marine it doesn't mean that they're not part of the problem here.
1.  Source next time

2.  I did not dismiss anything

3.  The problem is not guns
1. Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic

2. "gtfo with wikistats" isn't dismissing?

3. Well yeah they are. Not the entire problem, but they are a part of it. I agree upbringing/mental state of mind contributes, but shit, there are bad parents/fucked up people all around the world. Funny then how the USA has an remarkably high gun death rate per capita compared to developed countries in Europe + Australia and America. You can't say that the relative ease of access to guns, and the proliferation of guns  (more guns than pets in America), isn't at least a part of the problem.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

usmarine2005 wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


I take it you are young??

When I was young, we had MUCH easier access to guns as there were far less restrictions, and stuff like this did not happen.  So tell me guns is the problem again.
so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
Like I said, did not happen back when I was in school.  If not guns, people will use knives.  If no knives, people will use bats.  The tools used is not the problem IMO.
ok i challenge u to try killing 20 ppl and injuring 50 in a shopping mall with a knife...
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

SharkyMcshark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

1. They're not wiki stats.

2. You can't dismiss them because you don;t like what they show (that there IS a problem).

Just because you had fun playing with guns in the army marine it doesn't mean that they're not part of the problem here.
1.  Source next time

2.  I did not dismiss anything

3.  The problem is not guns
1. Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic

2. "gtfo with wikistats" isn't dismissing?

3. Well yeah they are. Not the entire problem, but they are a part of it. I agree upbringing/mental state of mind contributes, but shit, there are bad parents/fucked up people all around the world. Funny then how the USA has an remarkably high gun death rate per capita compared to developed countries in Europe + Australia and America. You can't say that the relative ease of access to guns, and the proliferation of guns  (more guns than pets in America), isn't at least a part of the problem.
Who the fuck counts pets?  Nobody ever came to my door and asked how many pets I had.  Go away with these stupid sayings.
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

usmarine2005 wrote:

Like I said, did not happen back when I was in school.  If not guns, people will use knives.  If no knives, people will use bats.  The tools used is not the problem IMO.
And what are the odds of hearing "and today in Nebraska a student walked into campus and stabbed 20 people to death with a bowie knife"? "Today in Ohio a disgruntled youth banhammered 14 people to death with a baseball bat?"
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6912|Foothills of S. Carolina

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

yer the problem isnt guns... its every nutjob in america having access to guns
I take it you are young??

When I was young, we had MUCH easier access to guns as there were far less restrictions, and stuff like this did not happen.  So tell me guns is the problem again.
so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
I take it you are under the impression that getting a gun in the USA is easy, right? Just walk into a corner quickie mart, pick out the model you want, and the ammo and you are all set, right? There is a time period that one has to wait to get a gun legally. There are background checks to get a gun legally. Now if you want one illegally, I am sure all it takes it a walk down a dark alley in a dark town and bam, one handgun with the serial number filed off, ready for use in your next shooting spree. So sure, lets take all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and leave all the neurotic idiots with a death wish as the only ones holding a gun.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

Canin wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I take it you are young??

When I was young, we had MUCH easier access to guns as there were far less restrictions, and stuff like this did not happen.  So tell me guns is the problem again.
so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
I take it you are under the impression that getting a gun in the USA is easy, right? Just walk into a corner quickie mart, pick out the model you want, and the ammo and you are all set, right? There is a time period that one has to wait to get a gun legally. There are background checks to get a gun legally. Now if you want one illegally, I am sure all it takes it a walk down a dark alley in a dark town and bam, one handgun with the serial number filed off, ready for use in your next shooting spree. So sure, lets take all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and leave all the neurotic idiots with a death wish as the only ones holding a gun.
and so when a law abiding citizens 4 handguns 2 rifles and RPG ( im exagerating ) get stolen then they are illegal guns... then its easy to get them... and if someone is shooting up a mall.. r u gonna run in with ur legal guns blazing?? there is a reason that the Police force exists

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2007-12-17 19:04:41)

SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

usmarine2005 wrote:

Who the fuck counts pets?  Nobody ever came to my door and asked how many pets I had.  Go away with these stupid sayings.
What you mean to say is that you can't logically address the point that I/others have made so you're going to try and pick holes in an incidental slogan that I stole off Michael Moore (I think it was him anyway...). The idea that the ease of access to guns could be contributing to the high rate of death doesn't concern you more than the amount of pets in American households?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

yer the problem isnt guns... its every nutjob in america having access to guns
I take it you are young??

When I was young, we had MUCH easier access to guns as there were far less restrictions, and stuff like this did not happen.  So tell me guns is the problem again.
so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
My State (Fl)
It is unlawful for any convicted felon to have in his or her care, custody, control, or possession any firearm or to carry a concealed weapon unless his civil rights have been restored.
It is unlawful for the following persons to own, possess or use any firearm: drug addicts, alcoholics, mental incompetents, and vagrants.
A person may not have in his or her care, custody, possession, or control any firearm or ammunition if the person has been issued a final injunction that is currently in force and effect, restraining that person from committing acts of domestic violence.
It is unlawful to sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of unsound mind.
It is unlawful for any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm, pistol, Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.
A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful activities.
No licensed gun dealer, manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver any firearm to another person until he has obtained a completed form from the potential buyer or transferee and received approval from the Department of Law Enforcement by means of a toll-free telephone call. The Department of Law Enforcement shall destroy records of approval and non-approval within 48 hours after its response. The fee for the instant check shall be $8.00. Exempt from the instant check are licensed dealers, manufacturers, importers, collectors, persons with a concealed carrying license, law enforcement, correctional and correctional probation officers.
Excluding weekends and legal holidays, there is a three-day waiting period to purchase a handgun from a retail establishment. Exempt from the waiting period are concealed weapons permit holders and those trading in another handgun.

1. Persons having firearms at their home or place of business.
2. Enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trapshooting, while at, or going to or from shooting practice.
3. Members of clubs organized for collecting antique or modern firearms while at or going to or from exhibitions.
4. Persons engaged in fishing, camping or hunting and while going to or from such activity.
5. Persons engaged in target shooting under safe conditions and in a safe place or while going to or from such place.
6. Persons who are firing weapons for target practice in a safe and secure indoor range.
7. Persons traveling by private conveyance if the weapon is securely encased, or in a public conveyance if the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession.
8. Persons carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper from place of purchase to their home or to a place of repair and back.
9. Persons engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing or dealing in firearms.
10. Military, law enforcement personnel and private guards while so employed.
Despite what you might think there are laws. We don't have drive though firearm stores.
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/FLSL.pdf

My favorite..lol "h) is not a chronic or habitual drunkard;"
Xbone Stormsurgezz
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

SharkyMcshark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Who the fuck counts pets?  Nobody ever came to my door and asked how many pets I had.  Go away with these stupid sayings.
What you mean to say is that you can't logically address the point that I/others have made so you're going to try and pick holes in an incidental slogan that I stole off Michael Moore (I think it was him anyway...). The idea that the ease of access to guns could be contributing to the high rate of death doesn't concern you more than the amount of pets in American households?
Solve illegal immigration and most those stats shrink considerably.
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Canin wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:


so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
I take it you are under the impression that getting a gun in the USA is easy, right? Just walk into a corner quickie mart, pick out the model you want, and the ammo and you are all set, right? There is a time period that one has to wait to get a gun legally. There are background checks to get a gun legally. Now if you want one illegally, I am sure all it takes it a walk down a dark alley in a dark town and bam, one handgun with the serial number filed off, ready for use in your next shooting spree. So sure, lets take all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and leave all the neurotic idiots with a death wish as the only ones holding a gun.
and so when a law abiding citizens 4 handguns 2 rifles and RPG ( im exagerating ) get stolen then they are illegal guns... then its easy to get them... and if someone is shooting up a mall.. r u gonna run in with ur legal guns blazing?? there is a reason that the Police force exists
EXACTLY. Of course most crimes are committed with 'illegal guns'. But why is it so easy to get illegal guns? Maybe because of the proliferation of guns in American society leads to the ease in acquiring/stealing a gun, at which point it becomes an 'illegal/un registered' weapon.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

usmarine2005 wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Who the fuck counts pets?  Nobody ever came to my door and asked how many pets I had.  Go away with these stupid sayings.
What you mean to say is that you can't logically address the point that I/others have made so you're going to try and pick holes in an incidental slogan that I stole off Michael Moore (I think it was him anyway...). The idea that the ease of access to guns could be contributing to the high rate of death doesn't concern you more than the amount of pets in American households?
Solve illegal immigration and most those stats shrink considerably.
do u think america is the only country with a illegal immigration problem?? we gets thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants from indonesian, png, all the island countries around us.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Canin wrote:


I take it you are under the impression that getting a gun in the USA is easy, right? Just walk into a corner quickie mart, pick out the model you want, and the ammo and you are all set, right? There is a time period that one has to wait to get a gun legally. There are background checks to get a gun legally. Now if you want one illegally, I am sure all it takes it a walk down a dark alley in a dark town and bam, one handgun with the serial number filed off, ready for use in your next shooting spree. So sure, lets take all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and leave all the neurotic idiots with a death wish as the only ones holding a gun.
and so when a law abiding citizens 4 handguns 2 rifles and RPG ( im exagerating ) get stolen then they are illegal guns... then its easy to get them... and if someone is shooting up a mall.. r u gonna run in with ur legal guns blazing?? there is a reason that the Police force exists
EXACTLY. Of course most crimes are committed with 'illegal guns'. But why is it so easy to get illegal guns? Maybe because of the proliferation of guns in American society leads to the ease in acquiring/stealing a gun, at which point it becomes an 'illegal/un registered' weapon.
So your solution to fixing the problem is to make new laws when the current laws aren't being enforced?

Check mate .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

usmarine2005 wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Who the fuck counts pets?  Nobody ever came to my door and asked how many pets I had.  Go away with these stupid sayings.
What you mean to say is that you can't logically address the point that I/others have made so you're going to try and pick holes in an incidental slogan that I stole off Michael Moore (I think it was him anyway...). The idea that the ease of access to guns could be contributing to the high rate of death doesn't concern you more than the amount of pets in American households?
Solve illegal immigration and most those stats shrink considerably.
LOL... wait I don't understand. This couldn't be... humour from marine could it?


PS Still not addressing point.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

do u think america is the only country with a illegal immigration problem?? we gets thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants from indonesian, png, all the island countries around us.
I don't think those ones are trying to smuggle weapons and drugs at the rate of our illegals do they?
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6912|Foothills of S. Carolina

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Canin wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:


so u think ur helping the problem by making guns accessable... sure theres factors that makes ppl crazy. but giving them a gun to express there anger doesnt seem wise
I take it you are under the impression that getting a gun in the USA is easy, right? Just walk into a corner quickie mart, pick out the model you want, and the ammo and you are all set, right? There is a time period that one has to wait to get a gun legally. There are background checks to get a gun legally. Now if you want one illegally, I am sure all it takes it a walk down a dark alley in a dark town and bam, one handgun with the serial number filed off, ready for use in your next shooting spree. So sure, lets take all the guns from the law abiding citizens, and leave all the neurotic idiots with a death wish as the only ones holding a gun.
and so when a law abiding citizens 4 handguns 2 rifles and RPG ( im exagerating ) get stolen then they are illegal guns... then its easy to get them... and if someone is shooting up a mall.. r u gonna run in with ur legal guns blazing?? there is a reason that the Police force exists
So by all means, lets all bow down to the police and let them be the only one with guns..... wait a minute, isn't the group that says we shouldn't have the ability to own guns to protect ourselves the same group that says we should not rely on the police, that they are brutal and use too much force. Gee, now I am confused. If I can't protect myself, and the police can't protect me, who should I turn to?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

What you mean to say is that you can't logically address the point that I/others have made so you're going to try and pick holes in an incidental slogan that I stole off Michael Moore (I think it was him anyway...). The idea that the ease of access to guns could be contributing to the high rate of death doesn't concern you more than the amount of pets in American households?
Solve illegal immigration and most those stats shrink considerably.
do u think america is the only country with a illegal immigration problem?? we gets thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants from indonesian, png, all the island countries around us.
lol.. he said thousands. Our illegal immigration problem is twice your population.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7222|Perth, Western Australia

Kmarion wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:


and so when a law abiding citizens 4 handguns 2 rifles and RPG ( im exagerating ) get stolen then they are illegal guns... then its easy to get them... and if someone is shooting up a mall.. r u gonna run in with ur legal guns blazing?? there is a reason that the Police force exists
EXACTLY. Of course most crimes are committed with 'illegal guns'. But why is it so easy to get illegal guns? Maybe because of the proliferation of guns in American society leads to the ease in acquiring/stealing a gun, at which point it becomes an 'illegal/un registered' weapon.
So your solution to fixing the problem is to make new laws when the current laws aren't being enforced?

Check mate .
Well... yeah. Or does it make sense to you to keep trying to enforce laws that aren't working instead of trying to change them?
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7118|Disaster Free Zone

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Well, I haven't been on in a week, mainly because my house was robbed.... A brief list of the items were ....8 handguns and ammo for all (2 .45s, 2 .44s, .380, 3 .22s)
8 legal handguns now 8 illegal handguns...
If there was 0 legal handguns there would now be 0 illegal handguns.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

DrunkFace wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Well, I haven't been on in a week, mainly because my house was robbed.... A brief list of the items were ....8 handguns and ammo for all (2 .45s, 2 .44s, .380, 3 .22s)
8 legal handguns now 8 illegal handguns...
If there was 0 legal handguns there would now be 0 illegal handguns.
If we all just got along and drank tea and talked about rainbows.....
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

Kmarion wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Solve illegal immigration and most those stats shrink considerably.
do u think america is the only country with a illegal immigration problem?? we gets thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants from indonesian, png, all the island countries around us.
lol.. he said thousands. Our illegal immigration problem is twice your population.
so according to u guys... mexican and other illegal immigrants r the only ones killing people? wow interesting concept... i could have swore i seen pictures of white guys running round killing people
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

EXACTLY. Of course most crimes are committed with 'illegal guns'. But why is it so easy to get illegal guns? Maybe because of the proliferation of guns in American society leads to the ease in acquiring/stealing a gun, at which point it becomes an 'illegal/un registered' weapon.
So your solution to fixing the problem is to make new laws when the current laws aren't being enforced?

Check mate .
Well... yeah. Or does it make sense to you to keep trying to enforce laws that aren't working instead of trying to change them?
Think logically. If you create new laws that strip away the right to carry a gun from legal law abiding citizens who does it benefit?  The idea of just making a new law to solve a problem that involves illegal activity only works in crackhead land.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

usmarine2005 wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Well, I haven't been on in a week, mainly because my house was robbed.... A brief list of the items were ....8 handguns and ammo for all (2 .45s, 2 .44s, .380, 3 .22s)
8 legal handguns now 8 illegal handguns...
If there was 0 legal handguns there would now be 0 illegal handguns.
If we all just got along and drank tea and talked about rainbows.....
or drank beer, beat each other up... but didnt have a gun on hand to shoot each other.. both work
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6912|Foothills of S. Carolina

DrunkFace wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Well, I haven't been on in a week, mainly because my house was robbed.... A brief list of the items were ....8 handguns and ammo for all (2 .45s, 2 .44s, .380, 3 .22s)
8 legal handguns now 8 illegal handguns...
If there was 0 legal handguns there would now be 0 illegal handguns.
If there were 0 legal handguns, there would be thousands upon thousands of illegal handguns, not to mention thousands upon thousands of more people out of work caused by all the gun manufacturers having to lay people off since they could no longer make a profit by selling guns legally.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6586|'straya

Kmarion wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

So your solution to fixing the problem is to make new laws when the current laws aren't being enforced?

Check mate .
Well... yeah. Or does it make sense to you to keep trying to enforce laws that aren't working instead of trying to change them?
Think logically. If you create new laws that strip away the right to carry a gun from legal law abiding citizens who does it benefit?  The idea of just making a new law to solve a problem that involves illegal activity only works in crackhead land.
so ur saying taking guns of the market and cracking down on illegal firearms by the police would not help at all?
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7199

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

or drank beer, beat each other up... but didnt have a gun on hand to shoot each other.. both work
or a knife, beer bottle, chair, etc....

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