About 300 Turkish troops have crossed into northern Iraq, officials in Iraq have said.
Is this an incursion or are the Turks planning an invasion?
Is this an incursion or are the Turks planning an invasion?
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Would You Support Turkey Invading Kurdistan?
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This is not an invasion. It's the Kurd-hunting party that Turkey throws every year.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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But this time it looks like an invasion. I dunno. Maybe it's like you say, but it seems to me that Turkey was waiting for this moment for a long time. I think they don't like Kurds, lol.FEOS wrote:
This is not an invasion. It's the Kurd-hunting party that Turkey throws every year.
As long as they return to their own borders promptly once they're done.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-12-18 03:21:28)
An airstrike and a small-unit incursion (300 people is roughly a company) is not an invasion. Turkey hasn't been waiting that long for this...they have been doing it to greater an lesser degrees on a fairly regular basis.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I don't remember the Turks getting their feet in Iraq, only air raids.FEOS wrote:
An airstrike and a small-unit incursion (300 people is roughly a company) is not an invasion. Turkey hasn't been waiting that long for this...they have been doing it to greater an lesser degrees on a fairly regular basis.
Sort of like how we fought Vietnam: return to base. That'll win a war.CameronPoe wrote:
As long as they return to their own borders promptly once they're done.
Then again, they don't have much choice.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-12-18 03:36:08)
a) You weren't fighting a war on self defence grounds.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Sort of like how we fought Vietnam: return to base. That'll win a war.CameronPoe wrote:
As long as they return to their own borders promptly once they're done.
Then again, they don't have much choice.
b) You weren't 'done' in terms of your stated goals.
a) Indirectly (as things were in the Cold War), we were. One of the objectives was to prevent the Soviet Union from establishing a warm water port down there.CameronPoe wrote:
a) You weren't fighting a war on self defence grounds.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Sort of like how we fought Vietnam: return to base. That'll win a war.CameronPoe wrote:
As long as they return to their own borders promptly once they're done.
Then again, they don't have much choice.
b) You weren't 'done' in terms of your stated goals.
b) Weren't.
a) Hardly an attack on your homeland or anything approaching it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
a) Indirectly (as things were in the Cold War), we were. One of the objectives was to prevent the Soviet Union from establishing a warm water port down there.
b) Weren't.
I thought it was ok for Israel to go into Lebanon, even if they used a little excessive force. I'd sound like a hypocrite if I didn't support Turkey. And terrorists are bastards anyway, so I guess I support it. Only the Iraqi Govt (whatever that is) and the US (for some reason, Idonno) don't want it to happen
Well those PKK or PPK (<--lol Jamie Blonds gun) have be firing things at the Turks.Mek-Izzle wrote:
I thought it was ok for Israel to go into Lebanon, even if they used a little excessive force. I'd sound like a hypocrite if I didn't support Turkey. And terrorists are bastards anyway, so I guess I support it. Only the Iraqi Govt (whatever that is) and the US (for some reason, Idonno) don't want it to happen
Nope. Fuck Turkey.
thats special operationssergeriver wrote:
About 300 Turkish troops have crossed into northern Iraq, officials in Iraq have said.
Is this an incursion or are the Turks planning an invasion?
If Turkey cared so much about whats going on in their Iraq border, they should have supported us more during the invasion. These attacks were going on long before the United States showed up.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen. It did...for years.sergeriver wrote:
I don't remember the Turks getting their feet in Iraq, only air raids.FEOS wrote:
An airstrike and a small-unit incursion (300 people is roughly a company) is not an invasion. Turkey hasn't been waiting that long for this...they have been doing it to greater an lesser degrees on a fairly regular basis.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
At the time, though, the expansion of Communism was seen as an attack (at least indirectly) on the U.S.CameronPoe wrote:
a) Hardly an attack on your homeland or anything approaching it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
a) Indirectly (as things were in the Cold War), we were. One of the objectives was to prevent the Soviet Union from establishing a warm water port down there.
b) Weren't.
QFT. The US has supported the Turkish regime and its military throughout the Cold War, and in the PKK's guerrilla war in the 80's.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
If Turkey cared so much about whats going on in their Iraq border, they should have supported us more during the invasion. These attacks were going on long before the United States showed up.
I think the timing of this incursion is interesting. I certainly hope Turkey doesn't escalate any further; Iraq is still volatile and its gov't has little credibility in the region as it is.
in war where a country is in ruins..everyone wants a piece of the pie. but hey they can join in but they have to return back to their respective countries.
what?agent146 wrote:
in war where a country is in ruins..everyone wants a piece of the pie. but hey they can join in but they have to return back to their respective countries.
guess i did not made it clear enough; i see turkey as just seeing this war torn situation as an opportunity to get some "action" and loot. they can join in with the americans. but when the situation has died down. Turkey should return back where they came from.usmarine2005 wrote:
what?agent146 wrote:
in war where a country is in ruins..everyone wants a piece of the pie. but hey they can join in but they have to return back to their respective countries.
No I understood the dumb fucking slop you were spewing out.agent146 wrote:
guess i did not made it clear enough; i see turkey as just seeing this war torn situation as an opportunity to get some "action" and loot. they can join in with the americans. but when the situation has died down. Turkey should return back where they came from.usmarine2005 wrote:
what?agent146 wrote:
in war where a country is in ruins..everyone wants a piece of the pie. but hey they can join in but they have to return back to their respective countries.
well jeez sorry bro.usmarine2005 wrote:
No I understood the dumb fucking slop you were spewing out.agent146 wrote:
guess i did not made it clear enough; i see turkey as just seeing this war torn situation as an opportunity to get some "action" and loot. they can join in with the americans. but when the situation has died down. Turkey should return back where they came from.usmarine2005 wrote:
what?