sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
-Heres a thought, hows about deleting the punish option!

-Everytime you tk you auto loose 2 pts and if u tk 3 tymes a round or so (in seperate events) you get a warning and next one will be a kick!

- Great Idea! Everyone loves it, you all do and I do!
ZZOT
Member
+0|7102
Works for me!  I like it.
KillerYaNk
Hard Case
+11|7109|S.E. United States
the problem I have with that is what if the tk is an accident??I hate nothing more than some dumbass running under my armor or any other vehicle Im driving and I get punished for it,losing points.
I personally dont like the punish period,if you got some stupid ass retarded dont know my ass from a whole in the ground idiot intentionally tking,ban the bitch.and what they should come up with is the IP should be banned from all severs so the low life sonofabitch has to play singleplayer for the rest of his short life !!
sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
you have a point

-1st jsut 2 clear up something els for questions (if someone is TKing ppl by axident but not the way u explained and does it so many times that he gets kicked, he should get kicked for sucking ass)

-but back to ur thing, ur correct in that ppl that purposly or byaxidently get run over well idk u got me stumped there if any1 has any other ideas feel free to leave sum
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7190

I think the problem is we want to distinguish accidental tk's from tk's done on purpose... the reality is that either one harms the team since tickets are lost and that teammate might've been capping a flag or something when you dropped a bomb from the plane cause you didn't see him. In real life, a TK, accidental or not, will get you in trouble till it is investigated. 3 tk's = warning, next kick sounds pretty good to me. Gives you a chance to rejoin if it was an accident. There is no reason you should be getting more than 4 tks by accident, come on now.

As for people getting tked for the planes for example, the game just needs to get smarter, seriously. During take off, if someone runs in front of you there was nothing you could've done. I played on a server the other day (the only one ever), where people would get kicked for getting runover on purpose during take off. It was being done automatically. EA/DICE just need to add some more AI to this game to avoid these problems.

Oh yea, and in regards to punishing... I hate hearing people bitch about me punishing them when it was an accident. If I'm standing behind a tank, and the tank goes in reverse without looking back, it's his fault, accident or not. The only time I forgive is if I ran out like an idiot while the tank was already moving back for example. Plus who gives a damn, makes no difference in points.

Last edited by GotMex? (2006-02-08 18:28:20)

sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
yeh but with that there r prob's lyk what if you have an APC full of ppl ur friend here in his M1A2 blows u up byaxident there goes 4 tk's so....
GotMex?
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+193|7190

lol sniper, stop following me and my posts

Last edited by GotMex? (2006-02-08 18:30:26)

Not Entirely Sane
Member
+6|7088|Just Outside Seattle
I play as a sniper, and am trying to get my explosives badge on karkand among other places, I place claymores only when my team are not in the way BUT they are idiots and run into the claymore for some reason some of them think they can JUMP over it, then they punish me for a teamkill when its THEIR fault!!!! I would support this only if teamkill was defined as someone shooting you with a gun! not claymores not nades not being hit by a tank!
sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
ehhh.... if u ever see sum1 runin towards ur claymore... throw a granade over it which should blow the claymore up

of corse u may be talkn about if u didnt see that certain person
sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA

GotMex? wrote:

lol sniper, stop following me and my posts
lol yeh
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7190

Well the claymores present an interesting choice made by EA/DICE in regards to who gets punished for a death. The reality is that claymores come with nice big warning signs such as the crossskulls and the box on screen that tells you explosive is near. If you run into a deployed claymore, I am sorry but it is your f-ing fault, not the one who placed the claymore.

However, the claymore is still yours, and thus you technically performed a TK.

If this system was implemented... I would suggest you still get -2 for the TK, whoever died from the claymore gets a -1 or -2 incompetent player deduction to the TKee, and maybe not make it count against your 3 tk limit. That way you can't just place claymores in high traffic areas without where a TK is likely, yet still make your teammates have to be on the lookout for them.
sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
well we could solve everythin real simply...... ff is off? but that wouldnt be much fun now would it?
Nehby
Member
+1|7104
Your system is technically worse then punishing, since most of the time you lose the points even if you are forgiven. The punish option is linked to kicking a TK'er, most of the time it's 3 punishes and you're kicked and often banned for about 10 min or so. This system helps keep accidental TK'ers from being kicked (aka a BH pilot who's heli is destoryed anf for some reason is counted as teamkilling everyone on board).

The system you suggest doesn't punish nearly enough for a TK (Make you want to avoid them more) and benifits people who TK on purpose by giving them the chance to TK one more time, while being unfair to an acidental TK'er like the BH pilot.
sniper2191
Banned
+-1|7084|Arlington, MA
umm Nehby sorry to tell u the truth but you loose points even if someone doesnt punish u its jsut when they punish u u loose even more points
Rizen_Ji
Member
+41|7163|200m out and smiling at you.
isn't it -4 for a TK and -2 for team damage?

and then if u manage not to kill said teammate to begin with u get -6 (TK + damage)

but u get the -4 for the TK even if u get punished...
ToughOmbre359th
Member
+0|7106

GotMex? wrote:

Oh yea, and in regards to punishing... I hate hearing people bitch about me punishing them when it was an accident. If I'm standing behind a tank, and the tank goes in reverse without looking back, it's his fault, accident or not. The only time I forgive is if I ran out like an idiot while the tank was already moving back for example. Plus who gives a damn, makes no difference in points.
I hate kids like you, that punish for anything.  Really the punish button is there for kids who intentionally tk you.  NOT if they accidently run you over with a tank.  I never punish anybody, because I know it was a accident.  So they ran me over with a tank, big deal. Accidents happen buddy, it just assholes like yourself that ruin other peoples game/ fun. Your right, it dosen't make a difference in points but, when your get 4 assholes like yourself you get kicked and banned. Oh yeah..... Pull the dick out of your ass!
willandmav
Member
+0|7123
How about, when someone does something stupid and gets killed by a member of the same team, they say sorry, to the person how killed them, and DONT PUNISH,

come on, if you are one of thouse people who punish when you basically kill yourself, you just dont belong in this game.
ian2k5
Member
+0|7080
I couldn't agree more.  when I do something stupid like run in front of a vehicle or run into the line of fire (or trip over a claymorde - though i haven't done that in a while), i immediately apologize then press the good 'ol pg dn key.  i think punishing should be reserved for the wanker stats padding jerks who are trying to get their pistol or knife badge or dibs on a vehicle.  i actually think there should be a leaner deduction for TKs UNLESS you're punished and people should use the punish option more judiciously.

gotmex - just don't stand behind moving tanks.
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7190

ToughOmbre359th wrote:

I hate kids like you, that punish for anything.  Really the punish button is there for kids who intentionally tk you.  NOT if they accidently run you over with a tank.  I never punish anybody, because I know it was a accident.  So they ran me over with a tank, big deal. Accidents happen buddy, it just assholes like yourself that ruin other peoples game/ fun. Your right, it dosen't make a difference in points but, when your get 4 assholes like yourself you get kicked and banned. Oh yeah..... Pull the dick out of your ass!
Harsh words I must say. Well first off, I'm not a kid. Second, no dicks up my ass, sorry. Third, how do you know the "real" reason the punish button is there. EA/DICE never stated that you should only punish when someone intentionally tk's you. You seem to be content with tanks running you over while you are trying to help your team. I bet you don't care when someone tk's you with C4 or Grenade Launcher just because they are looking to get those 2-3 kills and you happen to be around.

Well the way I see it, that tank should look back before starting to retreat. Hell, I usually get run over by tanks while I am trying to repair them. Now people, I specifically distinguish between me running in front of a moving tank, and a stationary tank that starts moving while I am close by. That is when I punish. I can honestly say I have NEVER run infront or behind of a moving vehicle. It's always me on the middle of the road when it comes zooming by and kills me. Just like I should look around to make sure no tanks are in the way, tanks should look around before starting to move again. They do it when moving forward, why not do it when moving back?

I punish so that next time they will think before moving back without looking or repeating an unnecessary tk's. I didn't say I punish for anything either, you just decided to read that. I specifically said that I punish when I get tked and it was not my fault + it was completelly avoidable. If it was completelly unavoidable, I won't punish. (Example: flag is getting capped, guy comes with c4 and takes me and enemy out. It was needed to win.)

So in conclusion, please read my posts better before you decide to start flaming me. I don't like to have to come in and explain myself once again. And just chill the fuck out dude, it's a virtual punish for fuck's sake. Can't believe people get so worked up about them. I hate trying to have a discussion on this forum about a difficult subject like this and then have kids like ToughOmbre359th come in and just flame for no reason. Grow up and relax people.

Last edited by GotMex? (2006-02-09 00:34:15)

GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7190

Nehby wrote:

Your system is technically worse then punishing, since most of the time you lose the points even if you are forgiven. The punish option is linked to kicking a TK'er, most of the time it's 3 punishes and you're kicked and often banned for about 10 min or so. This system helps keep accidental TK'ers from being kicked (aka a BH pilot who's heli is destoryed anf for some reason is counted as teamkilling everyone on board).

The system you suggest doesn't punish nearly enough for a TK (Make you want to avoid them more) and benifits people who TK on purpose by giving them the chance to TK one more time, while being unfair to an acidental TK'er like the BH pilot.
The system in place right now, which you refer to as "punishing", is not a system at all. It does nothing to keep people from Tking, and in no way is a detterent for people to not tk on purpose. I have engaged in TK fests every once in a while and the punish just makes me laugh cause it does NOTHING. In fact, I would like to call out EA/DICE for making such a useless feature that has done nothing more than piss off a lot of BF2 players. I recall playing CS:S a lot, and FF was never a problem with automatic kicks at set tk limits. You also would get kicked for tking at spawn time, which could be added to bf2 to prevent carrier tk's for example. There is no reason tk's should be happening in those first 1-2 mins of the game.

I think we can all agree that the TK registering system in BF2 is fucked up (another one of EA/DICE's feats in this game), and many times we get tk's that shouldn't have happened. We've all had the 5tk's as a passenger on the blackhawk, or the 3 tk's as a passenger of a vehicle. I can not understand how the game can't realize that there is no way you could tk your BH teammates as a passenger. I think these are the tk's that stress us out the most.

Either way, why are we all so worried about getting kicked for tk's? I RARELY see people getting kicked for truly accidental tk's, and when they do, it's cause of one of those EA bugs that got the kill assignments wrong. I know for a fact that most of my tk's come from careless grenade launches/c4 usage, and risky vehicle behavior.(So really, my fault, and why shouldn't I get kicked for those).

What we really need though is for BF2 to grow a bit more brains (AI) to understand that we can't tk our blackhawk when a plane rams us. It needs to understand that a smacktard standing in the runway getting hit by a plane should not count against us. (WHY on earth would we be chilling on a landing strip anyway). Since that isn't gonna happen though, how about everyone just gets a bit more skill and control and we can stop worrying about punishing and tking and just play the fucking game.

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