you have a good/quality case picked out. but if i was going to build again i would get a full tower. my mid tower has plenty of room, but i'd rather have a full tower with extra extra space if i need to sli or get more hdds'. just a thought.
the reason i cant wait untill the 45nm is because i wont have time to build my system until they come out, but thats how capitalism works...Poseidon wrote:
I still reccommend you wait the month for the 45nm Core 2's (like I missed out on when the Q6600 dropped in price), but if you don't, that's your decision.Overdose wrote:
this is what i have sorted out so far
case: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6811129021
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6813131219 -the gigabyte one went out of stock, plus comes with external sound card
GFX: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6814130312
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6817341002 - will 700watts be enough for gts sli?
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6819115017 - dont have time to wait for the new core 2s
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6820148070 - is it ok that its not at the speed as the mobo. ram is ddr2 1066, mobo is ddr2 1200
hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6822152052 - is this a good drive?
keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6823175103 - thank you Poseidon
monitor: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6824001096
burner: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6827135156
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6832116142 - still cant decide between 32bit and 64bit
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6835118019 - looks awesome
anything else i missed tell me!
PSU looks pretty good, RAM will be fine at those speeds, drive is good too...and I suggest you go for 64 bit. Hurricane and I have it and we love it. So get it!
If i get 64bit don't i need to get more ram?
can you guys find me a vista home premium 64bit. all these retail and system builder options are getting me confused
the difference between the 850w OCZ and the 700w OCZ isnt much. the +12v rails are 20A on the 850 one and 18A on the 700w. will 2A be a big difference? Plus i wont be adding more than 2 burners or hard drives and i just want to know will the 700w psu have enough power for the nvidia 9 series. I wont have enough for sli G92 8800 gts. Also the OCZ 700w had 500+ reviews at 5 eggs!, others had 4Scorpion0x17 wrote:
On the question of "will it be enough" - take a look at my post in the New Power supply thread for some links to this and other nVidia advice on PSUs for SLIs.
But, remember - more W's is always better - 700W is a minimum - I would spend a little more to get at least 800W for peace of mind - possibly even a 1000W if I'd got lots of extras in my PC (HDDs, CD/DVD/BluRay's, lots of fans, lights, etc, etc, etc) - which the listed spec doesn't, particularly.
And I would go with an Antec over OCZ, but OCZ aren't bad.
when i look at antec they were more expensive and didn't have many reviews
Last edited by Overdose (2007-12-19 11:35:18)
Doesn't matter now, apparentely since AMD sucks so many balls, they delayed them because there'd be little benefit.Overdose wrote:
the reason i cant wait untill the 45nm is because i wont have time to build my system until they come out, but thats how capitalism works...
If i get 64bit don't i need to get more ram?
can you guys find me a vista home premium 64bit. all these retail and system builder options are getting me confused
I have 64bit with 2 gigs of DDR2-800 and I'm fine. You can always add on another 2 gigs, but it's not necessary. And get OEM, unless you're planning on installing vista on multiple computers. OEM is the same exact thing as the normal, except without the fancy box and manual and you can only install it on one computer.
Sorry but 700W isn't a minimum, if you're not having a lot of extra components in your PC 620 Watt will even hold SLi (GTX). Mine will atleast.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
On the question of "will it be enough" - take a look at my post in the New Power supply thread for some links to this and other nVidia advice on PSUs for SLIs.Overdose wrote:
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6817341002 - will 700watts be enough for gts sli?
But, remember - more W's is always better - 700W is a minimum - I would spend a little more to get at least 800W for peace of mind - possibly even a 1000W if I'd got lots of extras in my PC (HDDs, CD/DVD/BluRay's, lots of fans, lights, etc, etc, etc) - which the listed spec doesn't, particularly.
And I would go with an Antec over OCZ, but OCZ aren't bad.The "Memory Standard DDR2 1200" listed in the motherboard specs is the maximum supported RAM speed - the speed of the RAM needs to match the FSB of your CPU - which it does, so that RAM is OK.Overdose wrote:
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6820148070 - is it ok that its not at the speed as the mobo. ram is ddr2 1066, mobo is ddr2 1200
Crucial would be the make I'd go for - though I have not used that particular RAM myself, I always buy Crucial for my own PC - so spot on there.I've not used that particular drive, and in fact have never used a Samsung HDD, but I have heard very good things about SpinPoints - dunno how accurate what I've heard is, but it was good.Overdose wrote:
hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6822152052 - is this a good drive?Just get 64bit - nowt much else to say, really.Overdose wrote:
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6832116142 - still cant decide between 32bit and 64bit
I'd say 700 yeah get that too but no need for 850 Watt, it's only less energy efficient. 1000W is only needed when running 15+ harddrives (As they showed in a tech demo forgot where).
About the FSB speed, you're wrong. 1066 MHz does not exactly match the FSB, as things are more complicated. I've looked into overclocking and it's a few maths calculations, but basically RAM works at 2X per second(?) don't exactly remember but I do know it has to be 533 MHz RAM to exactly match 1066 CPU FSB. This is nonsense though, don't go with 533 MHz RAM, go with that 1066 and if you really want it to match you will have to either underclock your RAM FSB (which is not recommended for performance) or OC your CPU to achieve a 1:1 FSB ratio.
can i still get the manual online? i dont really know how to use vistaPoseidon wrote:
I have 64bit with 2 gigs of DDR2-800 and I'm fine. You can always add on another 2 gigs, but it's not necessary. And get OEM, unless you're planning on installing vista on multiple computers. OEM is the same exact thing as the normal, except without the fancy box and manual and you can only install it on one computer.
This is my finalized list
Burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6827135156
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6811129021
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6822152052
monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6824001096
GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130312
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6817341002
RAM: (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820148070)*2 -total 4gb
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131219
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115017
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6835118019
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6832116204
Keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6823175103
TV tuner(?): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815100014 -might get it
Total: $2,156.36
all look good?
Burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6827135156
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6811129021
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6822152052
monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6824001096
GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130312
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6817341002
RAM: (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820148070)*2 -total 4gb
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131219
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115017
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6835118019
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6832116204
Keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6823175103
TV tuner(?): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815100014 -might get it
Total: $2,156.36
all look good?
That's pretty much the best options you can go. If I was you of course, I'd get a 10K RPM Raptor HDD, but you have to keep your budget in mind and your 500 gig will be sufficient enough. You can always add on a Raptor at a later date.Overdose wrote:
This is my finalized list
Burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6827135156
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6811129021
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6822152052
monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6824001096
GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130312
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6817341002
RAM: (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820148070)*2 -total 4gb
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131219
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115017
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6835118019
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6832116204
Keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6823175103
TV tuner(?): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815100014 -might get it
Total: $2,156.36
all look good?
Mobo is great...leaves you the ability to be able to upgrade your CPU constantly until the 25nm's come out in like 2009! Now that's a mobo!
I've heard good things about the CPU cooler, RAM and the 8800 GTS...and I have that case and monitor. The monitor is KICKASS. When you open it you're gonna be like "holy shit". Check out the difference from my old 17" monitor to my new 22" (the one you're getting).
I'm pretty sure, yeah. It's really not that complicated. I built my first ever rig (this one) with that exact OS and I had no problems. Only thing that confused me was partitioning the drives into space so I could put my OS on it, but that was a simple mistake and I simply skipped over it by accident. You'll be fine. It comes with a mini-manual with the basics of vista.Overdose wrote:
can i still get the manual online? i dont really know how to use vistaPoseidon wrote:
I have 64bit with 2 gigs of DDR2-800 and I'm fine. You can always add on another 2 gigs, but it's not necessary. And get OEM, unless you're planning on installing vista on multiple computers. OEM is the same exact thing as the normal, except without the fancy box and manual and you can only install it on one computer.
Good luck building and have fun with your new machine!
Last edited by Poseidon (2007-12-19 19:33:03)
Thanks Poseidon you have been a big help. More Karma for you! Now time to order this....
No problem man, glad to help!Overdose wrote:
Thanks Poseidon you have been a big help. More Karma for you! Now time to order this....
Well, I wouldn't run two 8800GTS's off 620W, and would only barely consider it with 700W. Different components, from different manufacturers vary quite a lot in the power they require - the amount of power required for your completed system also varies according how much load it is under at different times.xGj wrote:
Sorry but 700W isn't a minimum, if you're not having a lot of extra components in your PC 620 Watt will even hold SLi (GTX). Mine will atleast.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
On the question of "will it be enough" - take a look at my post in the New Power supply thread for some links to this and other nVidia advice on PSUs for SLIs.Overdose wrote:
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6817341002 - will 700watts be enough for gts sli?
But, remember - more W's is always better - 700W is a minimum - I would spend a little more to get at least 800W for peace of mind - possibly even a 1000W if I'd got lots of extras in my PC (HDDs, CD/DVD/BluRay's, lots of fans, lights, etc, etc, etc) - which the listed spec doesn't, particularly.
And I would go with an Antec over OCZ, but OCZ aren't bad.The "Memory Standard DDR2 1200" listed in the motherboard specs is the maximum supported RAM speed - the speed of the RAM needs to match the FSB of your CPU - which it does, so that RAM is OK.Overdose wrote:
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6820148070 - is it ok that its not at the speed as the mobo. ram is ddr2 1066, mobo is ddr2 1200
Crucial would be the make I'd go for - though I have not used that particular RAM myself, I always buy Crucial for my own PC - so spot on there.I've not used that particular drive, and in fact have never used a Samsung HDD, but I have heard very good things about SpinPoints - dunno how accurate what I've heard is, but it was good.Overdose wrote:
hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6822152052 - is this a good drive?Just get 64bit - nowt much else to say, really.Overdose wrote:
operating system: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a … 6832116142 - still cant decide between 32bit and 64bit
I'd say 700 yeah get that too but no need for 850 Watt, it's only less energy efficient. 1000W is only needed when running 15+ harddrives (As they showed in a tech demo forgot where).
Now, unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to get reliable power usage figures from manufacturers - those that you can get are often under-valued - and having to many Watts is always better than not having enough - it is, therefore, a good idea to add 10% to any power usage calculations.
Yes, the reality is a little more complicated, but basically, if you look at a CPU and it is quoted as having a 1066MHz FSB, then you want to find RAM that is quoted as being 1066 MHz too.xGj wrote:
About the FSB speed, you're wrong. 1066 MHz does not exactly match the FSB, as things are more complicated. I've looked into overclocking and it's a few maths calculations, but basically RAM works at 2X per second(?) don't exactly remember but I do know it has to be 533 MHz RAM to exactly match 1066 CPU FSB. This is nonsense though, don't go with 533 MHz RAM, go with that 1066 and if you really want it to match you will have to either underclock your RAM FSB (which is not recommended for performance) or OC your CPU to achieve a 1:1 FSB ratio.
That is is what he has selected, and so is correct in that regard. All I was pointing out was that the '1200' figure quoted in relation to the motherboard was a maximum support ram speed figure - not the only supported ram speed.
I dont think that motherboard is SLI its crossfire
The OPs?Pete wrote:
I dont think that motherboard is SLI its crossfire
If so then yeah that is right, if you buy an X38 board you cant SLI with it (yet anyways).
Martyn
wait so i cant ever SLI if that board? crap then i need to find a new one
Only nForce chipsets support SLi.
Right?
Right?
Last edited by =Karma-Kills= (2007-12-20 11:26:26)
bah i cant find a board as good as this one, but who needs SLI anyway. Its cheaper just to upgrade to the 9 series when they come out
Only nForce SLi chipsets yes. Think of an nForce 780i chipset based motherboard if you want to SLi later on.=Karma-Kills= wrote:
Only nForce chipsets support SLi.
Right?
Mmmm... 780i.... 3-way SLI.... Sweeeeet... but, exp-en-sivooooo.xGj wrote:
Only nForce SLi chipsets yes. Think of an nForce 780i chipset based motherboard if you want to SLi later on.=Karma-Kills= wrote:
Only nForce chipsets support SLi.
Oh, not to mention unavailable...
Hmm... If you want to keep Hyper-Threading Support, it comes down to:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … -Threading - which is relatively similar to your selected motherboard, but it comes from MSI, who I've never had a mobo from, so dunno how good it's likely to be...
(unless newegg's search facility is crap...)
Hmm... unfortunately, if you stick with Asus, who are a good manufacturer, from what others have told me (the only occasion I've bought a mobo from them I got two dead ones in a row, so switched to Gigabyte), but, what you're probably looking for, to get one at least equivalent to (and this one exceeds) the motherboard you've selected, is a P5N-T Deluxe.
If you can find one.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-12-20 17:06:16)