Serge, I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun, and I live in a country where I am free to own one or not. I am not forced into ownership OR deprivation of a gun. I personally like owning a gun and not needing one, over needing a gun and not having one.sergeriver wrote:
I dunno. Many people argued here that they needed a gun for protection against criminals because they don't trust the cops being efficient, or to protect themselves from a corrupted or dictatorial regime in the US. They said "I prefer my government being afraid of me than I being afraid of my government". I don't think guns would help in those situations.Dilbert_X wrote:
Vietnam - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the US military for quite a while, until they won.
Afghanistan - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the Russian military for quite a while, until they won.
Northern Ireland - A few guys with smallarms and home made bombs managed to tie up the British military for quite a while, until they won.
Somalia - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the US military for a while, until they won.
Lebanon - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the Israeli military for a while, until they won.
Afghanistan - A few guys with smallarms are still tying up the US military and NATO. The expectation is there are another ten years ahead.
Iraq - A few guys with smallarms and home made bombs - got the picture yet?
It seems impossible for a modern military to win against even a moderately armed population. This is now the nature of warfare.
Does the above support the 2nd amendment idea that an armed population is a useful thing to have to repel invasion or the overthrow a tyrannical govt? I don't know, but I believe its less likely to get to that stage if the population is armed.
The Swiss seem to have a robust democracy and an absence of wars in the last 900 yrs. (And many excellent cheeses).
I think every household in Iraq is allowed to own a smallarm, AK or pistol, and a few mags, someone can correct me I expect.
I guess if 155mm rounds are an issue it might have been an idea to secure them, and all the other military eqpt esp RPGs, instead of the oilfields?
It might also have been sensible not to disband the Iraqi army, putting thousands of military trained personnel out of work without dole.
A tiny bit of pre-war research and post war planning would have gone a long way.
What do you want a gun for? If you want it because you are a guns fan great. But if you want it because any of the other reasons then there's a need implied.lowing wrote:
Serge, I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun, and I live in a country where I am free to own one or not. I am not forced into ownership OR deprivation of a gun. I personally like owning a gun and not needing one, over needing a gun and not having one.sergeriver wrote:
I dunno. Many people argued here that they needed a gun for protection against criminals because they don't trust the cops being efficient, or to protect themselves from a corrupted or dictatorial regime in the US. They said "I prefer my government being afraid of me than I being afraid of my government". I don't think guns would help in those situations.Dilbert_X wrote:
Vietnam - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the US military for quite a while, until they won.
Afghanistan - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the Russian military for quite a while, until they won.
Northern Ireland - A few guys with smallarms and home made bombs managed to tie up the British military for quite a while, until they won.
Somalia - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the US military for a while, until they won.
Lebanon - A few guys with smallarms managed to tie up the Israeli military for a while, until they won.
Afghanistan - A few guys with smallarms are still tying up the US military and NATO. The expectation is there are another ten years ahead.
Iraq - A few guys with smallarms and home made bombs - got the picture yet?
It seems impossible for a modern military to win against even a moderately armed population. This is now the nature of warfare.
Does the above support the 2nd amendment idea that an armed population is a useful thing to have to repel invasion or the overthrow a tyrannical govt? I don't know, but I believe its less likely to get to that stage if the population is armed.
The Swiss seem to have a robust democracy and an absence of wars in the last 900 yrs. (And many excellent cheeses).
I think every household in Iraq is allowed to own a smallarm, AK or pistol, and a few mags, someone can correct me I expect.
I guess if 155mm rounds are an issue it might have been an idea to secure them, and all the other military eqpt esp RPGs, instead of the oilfields?
It might also have been sensible not to disband the Iraqi army, putting thousands of military trained personnel out of work without dole.
A tiny bit of pre-war research and post war planning would have gone a long way.
1. I like to target shootsergeriver wrote:
What do you want a gun for? If you want it because you are a guns fan great. But if you want it because any of the other reasons then there's a need implied.lowing wrote:
Serge, I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun, and I live in a country where I am free to own one or not. I am not forced into ownership OR deprivation of a gun. I personally like owning a gun and not needing one, over needing a gun and not having one.sergeriver wrote:
I dunno. Many people argued here that they needed a gun for protection against criminals because they don't trust the cops being efficient, or to protect themselves from a corrupted or dictatorial regime in the US. They said "I prefer my government being afraid of me than I being afraid of my government". I don't think guns would help in those situations.
2. home protection, especially since my home is in the north georgia mountains and my wife and kids are alone when I am gone for extended periods. My wife knows how to use my shotgun. Believe me, the sound of a chambering shell into a pump action shot gun is enough to give an intruder second thoughts.
Well, maybe you have a need for a gun since you live in the mountains away from a city and the cops protection. But many people don't need a gun, and despite this they have AK's, Uzis, M4's, just for fun. It doesn't seem very safe to have many guns. Specially when someone has kids.lowing wrote:
1. I like to target shootsergeriver wrote:
What do you want a gun for? If you want it because you are a guns fan great. But if you want it because any of the other reasons then there's a need implied.lowing wrote:
Serge, I don't NEED a gun, I WANT a gun, and I live in a country where I am free to own one or not. I am not forced into ownership OR deprivation of a gun. I personally like owning a gun and not needing one, over needing a gun and not having one.
2. home protection, especially since my home is in the north georgia mountains and my wife and kids are alone when I am gone for extended periods. My wife knows how to use my shotgun. Believe me, the sound of a chambering shell into a pump action shot gun is enough to give an intruder second thoughts.
police protection? What are the cops expected to do when they arrive 45 minutes after your attack, untie you? Take a report of all your missing shit? Or photograph your body?sergeriver wrote:
Well, maybe you have a need for a gun since you live in the mountains away from a city and the cops protection. But many people don't need a gun, and despite this they have AK's, Uzis, M4's, just for fun. It doesn't seem very safe to have many guns. Specially when someone has kids.lowing wrote:
1. I like to target shootsergeriver wrote:
What do you want a gun for? If you want it because you are a guns fan great. But if you want it because any of the other reasons then there's a need implied.
2. home protection, especially since my home is in the north georgia mountains and my wife and kids are alone when I am gone for extended periods. My wife knows how to use my shotgun. Believe me, the sound of a chambering shell into a pump action shot gun is enough to give an intruder second thoughts.
How would you protect your family in the event of a break in?
I assume you wear a seatbelt even though I doubt you expect to be getting into a car accident.
That's where I disagree. I don't consider a gun to be a seatbelt, I rely on cops. But, this is a sociological issue that can't be solved with foreigners giving their opinion about a country that isn't theirs. I acknowledge that you guys have a culture of guns and we, foreigners won't change that. I just don't understand this culture, that's all.lowing wrote:
police protection? What are the cops expected to do when they arrive 45 minutes after your attack, untie you? Take a report of all your missing shit? Or photograph your body?sergeriver wrote:
Well, maybe you have a need for a gun since you live in the mountains away from a city and the cops protection. But many people don't need a gun, and despite this they have AK's, Uzis, M4's, just for fun. It doesn't seem very safe to have many guns. Specially when someone has kids.lowing wrote:
1. I like to target shoot
2. home protection, especially since my home is in the north georgia mountains and my wife and kids are alone when I am gone for extended periods. My wife knows how to use my shotgun. Believe me, the sound of a chambering shell into a pump action shot gun is enough to give an intruder second thoughts.
How would you protect your family in the event of a break in?
I assume you wear a seatbelt even though I doubt you expect to be getting into a car accident.
Well again, you will rely on the cops, ok that is fine, but what exactly are you relying on them to do? Everything a cop can or will do in your home will be after the fact. For me, that is a little latesergeriver wrote:
That's where I disagree. I don't consider a gun to be a seatbelt, I rely on cops. But, this is a sociological issue that can't be solved with foreigners giving their opinion about a country that isn't theirs. I acknowledge that you guys have a culture of guns and we, foreigners won't change that. I just don't understand this culture, that's all.lowing wrote:
police protection? What are the cops expected to do when they arrive 45 minutes after your attack, untie you? Take a report of all your missing shit? Or photograph your body?sergeriver wrote:
Well, maybe you have a need for a gun since you live in the mountains away from a city and the cops protection. But many people don't need a gun, and despite this they have AK's, Uzis, M4's, just for fun. It doesn't seem very safe to have many guns. Specially when someone has kids.
How would you protect your family in the event of a break in?
I assume you wear a seatbelt even though I doubt you expect to be getting into a car accident.
It's a sociological problem, the citizens have guns, the criminals need guns, when they break in your home, you or the criminal end shot.lowing wrote:
Well again, you will rely on the cops, ok that is fine, but what exactly are you relying on them to do? Everything a cop can or will do in your home will be after the fact. For me, that is a little latesergeriver wrote:
That's where I disagree. I don't consider a gun to be a seatbelt, I rely on cops. But, this is a sociological issue that can't be solved with foreigners giving their opinion about a country that isn't theirs. I acknowledge that you guys have a culture of guns and we, foreigners won't change that. I just don't understand this culture, that's all.lowing wrote:
police protection? What are the cops expected to do when they arrive 45 minutes after your attack, untie you? Take a report of all your missing shit? Or photograph your body?
How would you protect your family in the event of a break in?
I assume you wear a seatbelt even though I doubt you expect to be getting into a car accident.
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gunsergeriver wrote:
It's a sociological problem, the citizens have guns, the criminals need guns, when they break in your home, you or the criminal end shot.lowing wrote:
Well again, you will rely on the cops, ok that is fine, but what exactly are you relying on them to do? Everything a cop can or will do in your home will be after the fact. For me, that is a little latesergeriver wrote:
That's where I disagree. I don't consider a gun to be a seatbelt, I rely on cops. But, this is a sociological issue that can't be solved with foreigners giving their opinion about a country that isn't theirs. I acknowledge that you guys have a culture of guns and we, foreigners won't change that. I just don't understand this culture, that's all.
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gunsergeriver wrote:
It's a sociological problem, the citizens have guns, the criminals need guns, when they break in your home, you or the criminal end shot.lowing wrote:
Well again, you will rely on the cops, ok that is fine, but what exactly are you relying on them to do? Everything a cop can or will do in your home will be after the fact. For me, that is a little late
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gunsergeriver wrote:
It's a sociological problem, the citizens have guns, the criminals need guns, when they break in your home, you or the criminal end shot.
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?lowing wrote:
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gun
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that I agree with you on. Dont blame me asshole, blame the rumsfeld. I just fought the fucking war and Im gonna end up going back in the near future. wheres the debate?Dilbert_X wrote:
I think every household in Iraq is allowed to own a smallarm, AK or pistol, and a few mags, someone can correct me I expect.
I guess if 155mm rounds are an issue it might have been an idea to secure them, and all the other military eqpt esp RPGs, instead of the oilfields?
It might also have been sensible not to disband the Iraqi army, putting thousands of military trained personnel out of work without dole.
A tiny bit of pre-war research and post war planning would have gone a long way.
Not to sound like some kinda tough guy here, cuz I am far from it, BUT, if an intruder is breaking into my home, he better wanna kill me if he plans on walking out of my house, cuz to protect my home I most certainly WILL aim to kill him.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?lowing wrote:
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.
Serge, my friend, I just cant understand the way you look at the world sometimes.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?lowing wrote:
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.
True that. Someone breaking into my house will expect to be confronted by the homeowner. He does not have the best interest of my family and I in mind already so he won't mind injuring or killing someone to get away. I would not risk being harmed or allow someone to harm my family. Belongings I can replaces so if I order him out and he runs, I'll just call the police. If he doesn't leave after I order him to and my warning that I'll shoot, he's dead.lowing wrote:
Not to sound like some kinda tough guy here, cuz I am far from it, BUT, if an intruder is breaking into my home, he better wanna kill me if he plans on walking out of my house, cuz to protect my home I most certainly WILL aim to kill him.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?lowing wrote:
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.
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Most people in the world think like me on this matter.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Serge, my friend, I just cant understand the way you look at the world sometimes.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?lowing wrote:
and the chances of blowing away a home intruder are a lot greater if I had a gun as opposed to if I didn't. I do not have the submit, appease, or surrender mentality when it comes to protecting my family and my belongings. If I get shot it will be in a fight and not execution style.
I wonder who is more experienced at shooting people, a criminal or you?Stingray24 wrote:
True that. Someone breaking into my house will expect to be confronted by the homeowner. He does not have the best interest of my family and I in mind already so he won't mind injuring or killing someone to get away. I would not risk being harmed or allow someone to harm my family. Belongings I can replaces so if I order him out and he runs, I'll just call the police. If he doesn't leave after I order him to and my warning that I'll shoot, he's dead.lowing wrote:
Not to sound like some kinda tough guy here, cuz I am far from it, BUT, if an intruder is breaking into my home, he better wanna kill me if he plans on walking out of my house, cuz to protect my home I most certainly WILL aim to kill him.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?
That's a bit over the top, don't you think?sergeriver wrote:
Most people in the world think like me on this matter.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Serge, my friend, I just cant understand the way you look at the world sometimes.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe the guy who is trying to rob you doesn't want to kill you, would you risk your life and the lives of your family just in case he does?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Serge, you cannot say this with the least degree of certainty. These kind of baseless comments are why I'm out of this conversation.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gunsergeriver wrote:
It's a sociological problem, the citizens have guns, the criminals need guns, when they break in your home, you or the criminal end shot.
Lowing's last few comments are spot on with REALITY. I agree with him. I love guns, they have become my midlife crisis "hobby" and they are 100% safe in my home with my 2, 4, and 7 year old children..unless they can gain access to a very elaborate lock system on my safe..and then load the mag and remove the safety, and then pull the 4.5lb trigger (DA actually is 8.8lbs). Further, my kids have all seen the guns, been taught about them, how dangerous they are, and when to handle them, etc...so there's no curiosity. I love the technology of firearms, I love the stress relief when target practicing, accomplishing small groups, etc. More importantly, I am the ONLY line of defense in my home if there's an invader. And since my home has been burglarized, the reality is I'll be burglarized again. I"m in a shithole of a place to live where cops are stretched far and thin. Even if they did manage to arrive within the 2 or 3 minutes time the burglar/robber was in the house, they'd still be too late. The only way to protect your family in that first 30 seconds is submission (and hope they're satisfied with your offer to do as they please and keep quiet about it...) or to defend with the playing field equal or in your favor.
My kids and wife and I have even had tactical drills practicing our defensive measures given a variety of situations from a full on home invasion of multiple attackers (something that me and my neighbor thwarted on his home a few weeks ago), to a bad guy following mommy up the stairs into the home, someone on our patio thinking they'll rob us again, or a beligerant visitor...or a wandering bum. We all know where to go, what to do, and how mom and dad will defend us. And my wife and I know exactly to what extent we will defend...meaning we won't shoot someone running or yielding control of the situation. We're aware of our lethal force rights (in California nonetheless).
In short, those who wish to defend themselves in their home correctly will suceed many many more times than they will if they rely on police...after the fact as Lowing correclty said.
And with that...my latest self-critique video with an old BF2 favorite weapon (.5 speed, 2x speed, then .25 speed) ...
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Where did I blame you? Why are you insulting me now?Gunslinger wrote:
that I agree with you on. Dont blame me asshole, blame the rumsfeld. I just fought the fucking war and Im gonna end up going back in the near future. wheres the debate?
The Iraq debacle is entirely the fault of the administration, notably Rumsfeld and Bremer, I don't blame the guys on the ground for doing their jobs.
You have my sympathy and good wishes, as do the people of Iraq.
Fuck Israel
I can't believe you live in a place that dangerous as you say. Couldn't it be that you are being exaggerated about the place or do you live in South Central L.A? Cmon, you guys say the police won't show up in a short time, in the US? I can't believe that. Ask your representative for an improvement in the police job or do something about it. But relying on your gun could end with a real tragedy, God Forbid (I'm still agnostic, I just happen to like that band, you should listen to their last album Constitution of Treason). If a guy enters your home with a gun, you should know he will have tons of adrenaline running through his body, that makes him very dangerous, he will have his blood pressure high and also his pulse. He will not be thinking rationally, and as soon as he sees your gun who the hell knows what will happen to you and your family.IRONCHEF wrote:
Serge, you cannot say this with the least degree of certainty. These kind of baseless comments are why I'm out of this conversation.sergeriver wrote:
If you don't have a gun the chances of you getting shot are less likely than if you had one.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but what are the odds of the criminal getting shot and me protecting my home, if HE is the only one with a gun
Lowing's last few comments are spot on with REALITY. I agree with him. I love guns, they have become my midlife crisis "hobby" and they are 100% safe in my home with my 2, 4, and 7 year old children..unless they can gain access to a very elaborate lock system on my safe..and then load the mag and remove the safety, and then pull the 4.5lb trigger (DA actually is 8.8lbs). Further, my kids have all seen the guns, been taught about them, how dangerous they are, and when to handle them, etc...so there's no curiosity. I love the technology of firearms, I love the stress relief when target practicing, accomplishing small groups, etc. More importantly, I am the ONLY line of defense in my home if there's an invader. And since my home has been burglarized, the reality is I'll be burglarized again. I"m in a shithole of a place to live where cops are stretched far and thin. Even if they did manage to arrive within the 2 or 3 minutes time the burglar/robber was in the house, they'd still be too late. The only way to protect your family in that first 30 seconds is submission (and hope they're satisfied with your offer to do as they please and keep quiet about it...) or to defend with the playing field equal or in your favor.
My kids and wife and I have even had tactical drills practicing our defensive measures given a variety of situations from a full on home invasion of multiple attackers (something that me and my neighbor thwarted on his home a few weeks ago), to a bad guy following mommy up the stairs into the home, someone on our patio thinking they'll rob us again, or a beligerant visitor...or a wandering bum. We all know where to go, what to do, and how mom and dad will defend us. And my wife and I know exactly to what extent we will defend...meaning we won't shoot someone running or yielding control of the situation. We're aware of our lethal force rights (in California nonetheless).
In short, those who wish to defend themselves in their home correctly will suceed many many more times than they will if they rely on police...after the fact as Lowing correclty said.
And with that...my latest self-critique video with an old BF2 favorite weapon (.5 speed, 2x speed, then .25 speed) ...
Serge, I promise you, my area is no different than many areas with population over 100,000. My area has recently had a huge influx of "section 8" people flowing in from Richmond, Oakland, and other shithole places in the SF Bay Area. Section 8 is government housing assistence. And there were literally advertisements in those cities saying "come to Antioch, CA! new homes starting at $600,000 are section 8!" And the city does not crack down on section 8 landlords who abuse the system (don't screen their tenants) because hey, free government money! So in 5 years the population has gone to 120k from around 85k people. 25% of the city is section 8..and not only in the ghetto areas...they're in the nice new neighborhoods living on a $500 rent (normally a $3000+ mortgage payment), sitting at home during the day while the working people are out slaving away to pay their mortgages..and these shitbags are ruining schools, plummeting the real estate value of their neighbors, they bring the ghetto with them so drugs, gangs, burglaries, robbings, murder, etc are all going nuts here...so yeah, the understaffed PD is well under equipped.sergeriver wrote:
I can't believe you live in a place that dangerous as you say. Couldn't it be that you are being exaggerated about the place or do you live in South Central L.A? Cmon, you guys say the police won't show up in a short time, in the US? I can't believe that. Ask your representative for an improvement in the police job or do something about it. But relying on your gun could end with a real tragedy, God Forbid (I'm still agnostic, I just happen to like that band, you should listen to their last album Constitution of Treason). If a guy enters your home with a gun, you should know he will have tons of adrenaline running through his body, that makes him very dangerous, he will have his blood pressure high and also his pulse. He will not be thinking rationally, and as soon as he sees your gun who the hell knows what will happen to you and your family.
My wife and I listen to the scanner some nights (usually we turn it on when there's a helicopter) and we're pretty much pros with the penal code and all the other police codes (10-codes, phonetic alphabet, vehicle code, etc). We're even recognizing repeat offenders names. We hear "459 at {some location}..rear door audible..RP is neighbor..saw 2 BMAs..negative weapons..." and it's minutes sometimes before a unit will respond because they're running down a 211 (robbery) at the dollar tree store... Seriously, Sunday mornings when we're going to church (which church parking lot we take turns surveiling because of regular burglarizing) I'll listen in for a few to see what's hopping..and there's "Sureno" parties being broken up or people calling in their cars missing or abandoned vehicles with smashed windows, etc.
Anyway..enough of the area. Yes, the beat I live in (beat 3 of Antioch where many of these crimes occurred. And believe me, in the 18 months or so we've lived at this house, we've called the cops at least 8 times...4 of which for things directly effecting us like the home invasion that almost happened a couple weeks ago...4 black guys in hoods kicked in the gate to the back yard of the neighbor below us...I grabbed my spot light, turned off the lights in my home, put my wife and kids in our bedroom on the phone with Antioch PD dispatch to get the cops rolling...I was out on our patio lighting them up and I heard my neighbor below yelling at them as they attempted to pry the back sliding door below my feet. I yelled that the cops were already coming and 2 ran..followed by the last two when *for some reason* my neighbor ran into his backyard where the last two were struggling with him while he was blowing a whistle real loud! Kinda funny, but it was enough noise between the two of us...and I got to throw a pot at one of the guys when he tried running out the door. All that took a good 90 seconds...cops came in around 3 minutes (our area has a minimum of 3 patrol cars)..and did their usual questioning, then heading off to do whatever they were doing...They didn't even search the carports where I told them the badguys went..they had other things to attend to (415's and a 417).
Serge, in my home, if there's a bad guy who's entered....there's only one guaranteed outcome if I am unarmed..that outcome is to suffer whatever attack that bad guy puts on us. If you're married or have children, then you know that's unacceptable..especially if someone's already invaded your home. Until you have those factors, you have no business criticizing my decisions.
And yes, i guarantee you my adrenaline, my just cause, and my defense abilities will smoke the bad guys. Short of being robbed by some x-green beret or marine scout sniper, I will have much greater odds winning a confrontation in our home. And no, most of those bad guys probably don't even have adrenaline anymore..and they are NOT good shots. Seeing newspapers and crime scenes, it's easy to see how crappy they badguys shoot. I know enough police to back that up. And if for some reason I'm out in the hall way approaching some badguys looting our home, and for some ridiculous reason they win the confrontation...my wife will be stowed safely in the corner of a bedroom with my mosin nagant 91/30 with fixed bayonet to run through anyone who gets passed me (i hope).
Damn IC your area sounds hostile. And this is coming from a guy who had a shooting three miles from his house last week .
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Ok, it sucks when a nice neighborhood is ruined by these people. I understand your problem. And I don't criticize you at all, I just say what you consider to be a life saver could end with you shot. That's all. But if you feel this is your only chance then have your weapons loaded and pray to your God hoping you'll never have the need to use them.IRONCHEF wrote:
Serge, I promise you, my area is no different than many areas with population over 100,000. My area has recently had a huge influx of "section 8" people flowing in from Richmond, Oakland, and other shithole places in the SF Bay Area. Section 8 is government housing assistence. And there were literally advertisements in those cities saying "come to Antioch, CA! new homes starting at $600,000 are section 8!" And the city does not crack down on section 8 landlords who abuse the system (don't screen their tenants) because hey, free government money! So in 5 years the population has gone to 120k from around 85k people. 25% of the city is section 8..and not only in the ghetto areas...they're in the nice new neighborhoods living on a $500 rent (normally a $3000+ mortgage payment), sitting at home during the day while the working people are out slaving away to pay their mortgages..and these shitbags are ruining schools, plummeting the real estate value of their neighbors, they bring the ghetto with them so drugs, gangs, burglaries, robbings, murder, etc are all going nuts here...so yeah, the understaffed PD is well under equipped.sergeriver wrote:
I can't believe you live in a place that dangerous as you say. Couldn't it be that you are being exaggerated about the place or do you live in South Central L.A? Cmon, you guys say the police won't show up in a short time, in the US? I can't believe that. Ask your representative for an improvement in the police job or do something about it. But relying on your gun could end with a real tragedy, God Forbid (I'm still agnostic, I just happen to like that band, you should listen to their last album Constitution of Treason). If a guy enters your home with a gun, you should know he will have tons of adrenaline running through his body, that makes him very dangerous, he will have his blood pressure high and also his pulse. He will not be thinking rationally, and as soon as he sees your gun who the hell knows what will happen to you and your family.
My wife and I listen to the scanner some nights (usually we turn it on when there's a helicopter) and we're pretty much pros with the penal code and all the other police codes (10-codes, phonetic alphabet, vehicle code, etc). We're even recognizing repeat offenders names. We hear "459 at {some location}..rear door audible..RP is neighbor..saw 2 BMAs..negative weapons..." and it's minutes sometimes before a unit will respond because they're running down a 211 (robbery) at the dollar tree store... Seriously, Sunday mornings when we're going to church (which church parking lot we take turns surveiling because of regular burglarizing) I'll listen in for a few to see what's hopping..and there's "Sureno" parties being broken up or people calling in their cars missing or abandoned vehicles with smashed windows, etc.
Anyway..enough of the area. Yes, the beat I live in (beat 3 of Antioch where many of these crimes occurred. And believe me, in the 18 months or so we've lived at this house, we've called the cops at least 8 times...4 of which for things directly effecting us like the home invasion that almost happened a couple weeks ago...4 black guys in hoods kicked in the gate to the back yard of the neighbor below us...I grabbed my spot light, turned off the lights in my home, put my wife and kids in our bedroom on the phone with Antioch PD dispatch to get the cops rolling...I was out on our patio lighting them up and I heard my neighbor below yelling at them as they attempted to pry the back sliding door below my feet. I yelled that the cops were already coming and 2 ran..followed by the last two when *for some reason* my neighbor ran into his backyard where the last two were struggling with him while he was blowing a whistle real loud! Kinda funny, but it was enough noise between the two of us...and I got to throw a pot at one of the guys when he tried running out the door. All that took a good 90 seconds...cops came in around 3 minutes (our area has a minimum of 3 patrol cars)..and did their usual questioning, then heading off to do whatever they were doing...They didn't even search the carports where I told them the badguys went..they had other things to attend to (415's and a 417).
Serge, in my home, if there's a bad guy who's entered....there's only one guaranteed outcome if I am unarmed..that outcome is to suffer whatever attack that bad guy puts on us. If you're married or have children, then you know that's unacceptable..especially if someone's already invaded your home. Until you have those factors, you have no business criticizing my decisions.
And yes, i guarantee you my adrenaline, my just cause, and my defense abilities will smoke the bad guys. Short of being robbed by some x-green beret or marine scout sniper, I will have much greater odds winning a confrontation in our home. And no, most of those bad guys probably don't even have adrenaline anymore..and they are NOT good shots. Seeing newspapers and crime scenes, it's easy to see how crappy they badguys shoot. I know enough police to back that up. And if for some reason I'm out in the hall way approaching some badguys looting our home, and for some ridiculous reason they win the confrontation...my wife will be stowed safely in the corner of a bedroom with my mosin nagant 91/30 with fixed bayonet to run through anyone who gets passed me (i hope).