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Choose Your Scumbag

G Dubya65%65% - 94
SlickWilly34%34% - 49
Total: 143
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Getting a blowjob and not attacking Bin Laden because it would look like he was doing it just to distract people from his BJ.  Hence failing to respond to any terrorist attacks or pull the trigger when we had Laden in our sights.  Ya....that pisses me off more.
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From Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies:

Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit".  After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-12-21 10:27:20)

KEN-JENNINGS
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Kmarion wrote:

Dubya.. At least I know what to expect with Clinton. Dubya completely sold out his base.
I would say Dubya played right into his base - pro-business, social conservative, interventionist.
Stingray24
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Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We discussed this time and time again when Clinton was in office and soon GWB will leave.  Hence, rehashing the Clinton scandal and rehashing the Iraq was argument for the 1,000,000th time is extremely pointless.
You have a preconceived notion about what this discussion is. Look again. My point is, you don't do shit about either. So what's the next guy going to do to have the rehashed bullshit discussion about, while even the NEXT guy gets away with the kitchen sink.

They win. We lose.

And if you don't like the topic, you could always, not say anything. (Gasp)
Try asking the question you really want the answer to.  *gasp* You asked about Clinton and GWB, not the next guy.
usmarine
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Soldier-Of-Wasteland wrote:

And Clinton got a nice blowjob, and men enjoy blowjobs!
you just don't get it do you?
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Getting a blowjob and not attacking Bin Laden because it would look like he was doing it just to distract people from his BJ.  Hence failing to respond to any terrorist attacks or pull the trigger when we had Laden in our sights.  Ya....that pisses me off more.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7797/bullshitkd8.jpg

From Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies:

Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit".  After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.
What does that have to do with 1996-2000?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Getting a blowjob and not attacking Bin Laden because it would look like he was doing it just to distract people from his BJ.  Hence failing to respond to any terrorist attacks or pull the trigger when we had Laden in our sights.  Ya....that pisses me off more.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7797/bullshitkd8.jpg

From Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies:

Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit".  After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.
What does that have to do with 1996-2000?
Why do you blame Clinton for things you don't blame Bush?  That has to do with 1996-2000.  You said here that Clinton was to blame for 9/11.
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

Why do you blame Clinton for things you don't blame Bush?  That has to do with 1996-2000.  You said here that Clinton was to blame for 9/11.
When did I never blame Bush?  But, Clinton takes the biggest slice of the pie IMO.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Why do you blame Clinton for things you don't blame Bush?  That has to do with 1996-2000.  You said here that Clinton was to blame for 9/11.
When did I never blame Bush?  But, Clinton takes the biggest slice of the pie IMO.
Did you read Richard Clarke's book?  Why would he lie?  Read it.
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usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Why do you blame Clinton for things you don't blame Bush?  That has to do with 1996-2000.  You said here that Clinton was to blame for 9/11.
When did I never blame Bush?  But, Clinton takes the biggest slice of the pie IMO.
Did you read Richard Clarke's book?  Why would he lie?  Read it.
lol......Gee I don't know, why would he lie?  lol
sergeriver
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


When did I never blame Bush?  But, Clinton takes the biggest slice of the pie IMO.
Did you read Richard Clarke's book?  Why would he lie?  Read it.
lol......Gee I don't know, why would he lie?  lol
The White House admitted the guy told the truth.
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

The White House admitted the guy told the truth.
His story was just one of many sides Serge.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

The White House admitted the guy told the truth.
His story was just one of many sides Serge.
Bush told him "try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks" on September 12th, 2001.
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

The White House admitted the guy told the truth.
His story was just one of many sides Serge.
Bush told him "try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks" on September 12th, 2001.
Ok?  Again, what does that have to do with 1998-2001?
BabySpinach
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You nubs should read more history books. Honestly.  Some of you all have no idea what you are talking about!
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


His story was just one of many sides Serge.
Bush told him "try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks" on September 12th, 2001.
Ok?  Again, what does that have to do with 1998-2001?
Dubya is a worse scumbag than Clinton.  You presented some valid points where Clinton, maybe, just maybe failed.  But this guy crossed all the known lines.  He is the biggest scumbag ever.  That has to do with your question.
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

Dubya is a worse scumbag than Clinton.  You presented some valid points where Clinton, maybe, just maybe failed.  But this guy crossed all the known lines.  He is the biggest scumbag ever.  That has to do with your question.
I will tell you why bubba is worse.  I will agree with you on Bush, but at least he did what he felt was right.  When we were attacked, he attacked them.  Not just sit back and launch a few cruise missiles into the middle of nowhere.  He wanted to get rid of Saddam from day one, we all know that.  And he did.  Again, not just sit back and launch cruise missiles and pointless air strikes during the no-fly zone.

You may not agree with what he did, but at least he did something.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Dubya is a worse scumbag than Clinton.  You presented some valid points where Clinton, maybe, just maybe failed.  But this guy crossed all the known lines.  He is the biggest scumbag ever.  That has to do with your question.
I will tell you why bubba is worse.  I will agree with you on Bush, but at least he did what he felt was right.  When we were attacked, he attacked them.  Not just sit back and launch a few cruise missiles into the middle of nowhere.  He wanted to get rid of Saddam from day one, we all know that.  And he did.  Again, not just sit back and launch cruise missiles and pointless air strikes during the no-fly zone.

You may not agree with what he did, but at least he did something.
Dude, he lied to you in your face, he used 9/11 (I'm not saying he had to do with it) as an excuse.  He has no ethics or moral.  Richard Clarke adviced him to watch al-Qaeda but the guy was too distracted with Saddam and then 9/11 happened.  Clinton didn't shoot, maybe that was a mistake, but this guy shoot the wrong guy.  Where's Bin Laden?  He didn't shoot Bin Laden, never.  So, he failed at getting Bin Laden, too.  I prefer to do nothing rahter than doing the wrong thing.
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

Dude, he lied to you in your face, he used 9/11 (I'm not saying he had to do with it) as an excuse.  He has no ethics or moral.  Richard Clarke adviced him to watch al-Qaeda but the guy was too distracted with Saddam and then 9/11 happened.  Clinton didn't shoot, maybe that was a mistake, but this guy shoot the wrong guy.  Where's Bin Laden?  He didn't shoot Bin Laden, never.  So, he failed at getting Bin Laden, too.  I prefer to do nothing rahter than doing the wrong thing.
We never had Laden in our sights after 9/11 serge.  Just because Bush was doing whatever, don't make the mistake of thinking the CIA and other agencies were not trying to find him.  Fact is, we knew where he was years before 9/11.  Shit, even Sudan or Egypt or one of them offered him to Clinton on a silver fucking platter.
G3|Genius
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I personally think that History will vindicate Bush and condemn the media of this era.
usmarine
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Well how can you even compare serge?  History has proven Clinton wrong.  Now we have to wait and see with Iraq.
Stingray24
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But but but ... Clinton said he tried to get Osama!  That's what counts isn't it?

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CameronPoe
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Stingray24 wrote:

But but but ... Clinton said he tried to get Osama!  That's what counts isn't it?

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Bush didn't so I guess it does.

"I really don't spend that much time on him..."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Dubya.. At least I know what to expect with Clinton. Dubya completely sold out his base.
I would say Dubya played right into his base - pro-business, social conservative, interventionist.
In fact most Conservatives have a policy of non-intervention.  Ron Paul describes himself as a conservative. Would you say he and Bush have the same base? Leave nation building and the overt foreign policy to the Neo-Cons. Understand that we like everything smaller and controlled (hence conservative). Invasions in foreign lands when there is no clear threat is by no means conservative. We believe in helping business grow because we know when done properly in a free market this creates jobs and competitive wages. Not because we don't give a damn about anyone else.

We don't believe in messing around with the Constitution, especially with rights. Again, think about the word conservative. Traditional Conservatives believe in smaller government, tight spending, and tough immigration positions.  Bush had none of those qualities. Talks of Amnesty would be the most glaring and obvious point.
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CameronPoe
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G3|Genius wrote:

I personally think that History will vindicate Bush and condemn the media of this era.
Like how history vindicated Vietnam? lol

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