Poll

What is Homosexuality?

A genetic condition28%28% - 82
A personal choice36%36% - 104
A mental disorder26%26% - 75
Other9%9% - 27
Total: 288
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7278|Cologne, Germany

sergeriver wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Given the fact of what would happen to homosexuals in biblical times, and what countries like Iran still do to them, I hardly think these people would make a conscious choice to be that way.  Also, there have been numerous cases of homosexual behavior found in animals.  Do animals make a conscious decision to be gay?
seconded. You may chose to pursue it or not, but the fact itself stands without you having a say in it. Same with heterosexuality.
But as with most things in life that are important, it's best to be true to yourself, hence why those who have sexual feelings, straight or gay, act accordingly.

And btw, I don't see why I wouldn't want a child to see two men/women kiss or hold hands in public. I was raised in a catholic household, but I am not the religious type. And even if I was I would find it hard to press my religious views on my kids. Everyone should be free to make his/her own decisions in that regard.
I agree with you almost in everything you said.  But the last part I must disagree.  I'm not religious either, but I have a two months old kid.  I know he doesn't understand things yet.  But I don't want him, when he's, let's say 5 years old or so, to see two guys/women kissing each other in the street.  Because I'd have to explain to him things I'd like to explain to him later.
I understand where you're coming from, but why would your explanation be any different in either case ? They kiss because they are fond of each other...

kids can understand that easily. The rest is simply different cultural values for different people in different times.

Or are you afraid of what your child might do if he wants to express fondness for a male friend ?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

B.Schuss wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:


seconded. You may chose to pursue it or not, but the fact itself stands without you having a say in it. Same with heterosexuality.
But as with most things in life that are important, it's best to be true to yourself, hence why those who have sexual feelings, straight or gay, act accordingly.

And btw, I don't see why I wouldn't want a child to see two men/women kiss or hold hands in public. I was raised in a catholic household, but I am not the religious type. And even if I was I would find it hard to press my religious views on my kids. Everyone should be free to make his/her own decisions in that regard.
I agree with you almost in everything you said.  But the last part I must disagree.  I'm not religious either, but I have a two months old kid.  I know he doesn't understand things yet.  But I don't want him, when he's, let's say 5 years old or so, to see two guys/women kissing each other in the street.  Because I'd have to explain to him things I'd like to explain to him later.
I understand where you're coming from, but why would your explanation be any different in either case ? They kiss because they are fond of each other...

kids can understand that easily. The rest is simply different cultural values for different people in different times.

Or are you afraid of what your child might do if he wants to express fondness for a male friend ?
Lol, no he can be gay if he wants.  No problem.  * crosses fingers *

I think a kid can easily understand another mon and dad kissing each other, because that's what he saw since he was born.  But two guys kissing each other is another sotry.  I have no problem with gays kissing each other, just don't do it in front of my kid.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

So here's a twist on the question: Do people choose to get turned on by getting spanked? What about the ol' ball gag? Bestiality?

I'm not saying being homosexual is equivalent to any of those necessarily, but they are sexual deviations from the norm. Do the people who are into them think it's a choice? I would think most people here would argue that all of those fetish-type activities are choices people make, correct? But for some reason the thought of someone making a choice (consciously or subconsciously) about having sex with the same or opposite sex is completely inconceivable?

People are punished in other cultures for abnormal heterosexual behavior, yet they still do it, so I find it hard to give any credence to the "there's no way someone would choose to be gay because of the treatment they receive for it in their culture".

Add in the recent finding of a "gay gene", and you have a different discussion.
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― Albert Einstein

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B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7278|Cologne, Germany

you're contradicting yourself. Either you have a problem or you don't..

And I sense a double standard here. Are you saying that mum & dad kissing > two guys/girls kissing ?

Or to put it differently, if a gay or lesbian couple is raising a child, should they never kiss in front of that child ? Not everyone goes for the traditional, religiously based family model, you know....

Some would even argue that those who purposely try to ban all things connected to homosexuality from their kids' lifes are actually contributing to instigating bias and prejudice towards gays and lesbians. Would you agree ?

no offense intended, btw.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

B.Schuss wrote:

you're contradicting yourself. Either you have a problem or you don't..

And I sense a double standard here. Are you saying that mum & dad kissing > two guys/girls kissing ?

Or to put it differently, if a gay or lesbian couple is raising a child, should they never kiss in front of that child ? Not everyone goes for the traditional, religiously based family model, you know....

Some would even argue that those who purposely try to ban all things connected to homosexuality from their kids' lifes are actually contributing to instigating bias and prejudice towards gays and lesbians. Would you agree ?

no offense intended, btw.
No, I don't have a problem with a gay couple raising a child, I have a problem with them kissing in front of my kid, that's all.  No double standards.  I'm Liberal, but not that much.  My kid will know what a gay is, when I decide it's time for him to know, not because he saw two guys kissing in the street.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6992

FEOS wrote:

So here's a twist on the question: Do people choose to get turned on by getting spanked? What about the ol' ball gag? Bestiality?

I'm not saying being homosexual is equivalent to any of those necessarily, but they are sexual deviations from the norm. Do the people who are into them think it's a choice? I would think most people here would argue that all of those fetish-type activities are choices people make, correct? But for some reason the thought of someone making a choice (consciously or subconsciously) about having sex with the same or opposite sex is completely inconceivable?

People are punished in other cultures for abnormal heterosexual behavior, yet they still do it, so I find it hard to give any credence to the "there's no way someone would choose to be gay because of the treatment they receive for it in their culture".

Add in the recent finding of a "gay gene", and you have a different discussion.
I'm not sure they are choices FEOS. People like paedophiles cannot be 'cured'. They have an inherent penchant for fucking children that they cannot overcome.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7053|do not disturb

I believe you can be both born with it and choose it. There are many people who struggle with being gay, and that sounds like that person doesn't want to be gay.
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6544|Birmingham, UK
[Post=noob]"Its wen one guy lieks anuvva guy innit?[/noob]
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

So here's a twist on the question: Do people choose to get turned on by getting spanked? What about the ol' ball gag? Bestiality?

I'm not saying being homosexual is equivalent to any of those necessarily, but they are sexual deviations from the norm. Do the people who are into them think it's a choice? I would think most people here would argue that all of those fetish-type activities are choices people make, correct? But for some reason the thought of someone making a choice (consciously or subconsciously) about having sex with the same or opposite sex is completely inconceivable?

People are punished in other cultures for abnormal heterosexual behavior, yet they still do it, so I find it hard to give any credence to the "there's no way someone would choose to be gay because of the treatment they receive for it in their culture".

Add in the recent finding of a "gay gene", and you have a different discussion.
I'm not sure they are choices FEOS. People like paedophiles cannot be 'cured'. They have an inherent penchant for fucking children that they cannot overcome.
So are those things genetic, in your estimation?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

So here's a twist on the question: Do people choose to get turned on by getting spanked? What about the ol' ball gag? Bestiality?

I'm not saying being homosexual is equivalent to any of those necessarily, but they are sexual deviations from the norm. Do the people who are into them think it's a choice? I would think most people here would argue that all of those fetish-type activities are choices people make, correct? But for some reason the thought of someone making a choice (consciously or subconsciously) about having sex with the same or opposite sex is completely inconceivable?

People are punished in other cultures for abnormal heterosexual behavior, yet they still do it, so I find it hard to give any credence to the "there's no way someone would choose to be gay because of the treatment they receive for it in their culture".

Add in the recent finding of a "gay gene", and you have a different discussion.
I'm not sure they are choices FEOS. People like paedophiles cannot be 'cured'. They have an inherent penchant for fucking children that they cannot overcome.
So are those things genetic, in your estimation?
You don't choose to have a cock in Uranus.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-12-21 16:55:12)

Jackabo
Member
+127|6995|Dublin, Ireland
Men are given a penis to stick in a vagina, not to stick up another man's asshole!
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6567|North Tonawanda, NY

Stingray24 wrote:

Kids have plenty of time to learn about adult sexual choices later and parents do not appreciate adults with an inferiority complex insisting on displaying their "alternative lifestyle" in public.  It's a matter of respect and acting appropriately in public.  I don't want to see anyone making out in public whether they're gay, straight, or otherwise.  Get a room.
Wow, so the only reason that gay couples kiss is to show off their alternative lifestyle?  I bet you don't care if a man kisses a woman in public (and I don't mean making out), but you care if a man kisses another man?  I guess that must be too "inappropriate" for you, huh?
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6773|Oregon
it's not a choice,
it's not a disorder,
and it's not a "condition"

we haven't researched it enough to kn ow what it is.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6567|North Tonawanda, NY

sergeriver wrote:

Lol, no he can be gay if he wants.  No problem.  * crosses fingers *

I think a kid can easily understand another mon and dad kissing each other, because that's what he saw since he was born.  But two guys kissing each other is another sotry.  I have no problem with gays kissing each other, just don't do it in front of my kid.
No problem, eh?  I am not implying that you are homophobic, but I am implying that if you truly had no prior judgment about homosexuality, then you wouldn't need a deeper explanation for your kid.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6882|The Land of Scott Walker

SenorToenails wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Kids have plenty of time to learn about adult sexual choices later and parents do not appreciate adults with an inferiority complex insisting on displaying their "alternative lifestyle" in public.  It's a matter of respect and acting appropriately in public.  I don't want to see anyone making out in public whether they're gay, straight, or otherwise.  Get a room.
Wow, so the only reason that gay couples kiss is to show off their alternative lifestyle?  I bet you don't care if a man kisses a woman in public (and I don't mean making out), but you care if a man kisses another man?  I guess that must be too "inappropriate" for you, huh?
Inappropriate for kids, yes.  Me, I couldn't care less.  As a parent, I want my kids to be kids and not have to figure out the adult world sooner than they have to.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7084

djphetal wrote:

it's not a choice,
it's not a disorder,
and it's not a "condition"

we haven't researched it enough to kn ow what it is.
Then technically it could be any of those options.

Either way it doesn't affect my well-being so I don't really care.
belldawg
Serial Jay-Walker
+52|6421|Perth, indian ocean
It's a choice, but I'm afraid I'm against that kinda choice, it's weird to me.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7194|Argentina

SenorToenails wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lol, no he can be gay if he wants.  No problem.  * crosses fingers *

I think a kid can easily understand another mon and dad kissing each other, because that's what he saw since he was born.  But two guys kissing each other is another sotry.  I have no problem with gays kissing each other, just don't do it in front of my kid.
No problem, eh?  I am not implying that you are homophobic, but I am implying that if you truly had no prior judgment about homosexuality, then you wouldn't need a deeper explanation for your kid.
No, I'm not homophobic, but I don't think it's appropriate for a kid to see two guys kissing in the mouth at least until he can understand the difference.
Poppa Bear
Member
+3|6682
Before I read this thread, I'd never even come to think of it being a choice. How come so many here do?
I'm certain some here are even disgusted by gay men, so for them to make the choice of having relations with other men, they'd have to feel attracted to them. And that they didn't choose.
Consensus: you don't get to pick the sex of the one you fall in love with.

Last edited by Poppa Bear (2007-12-22 04:13:19)

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