Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7038|132 and Bush

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

They were responsible. They failed. And florida isn't a fishbowl. New Orleans was. At least Floridians had something to go back to. Don't compare Florida hurricanes to New Orleans Katrina. Apples and Oranges. As for Jeb, Im sure you'll get a chance to vote for him for Pres in the next 20 years or so.
I never said FEMA was not responsible for part of the blame. There is plenty to go around...and I understand the difference. I saw it when I was there after Katrina hit. That's why I said "Florida doesn't have an aging dike problem to deal with". I wouldn't put Jeb in the White house, but that doesn't mean he wasn't miles ahead of Blanco in terms of disaster planning. I'm specifically talking about the preparations before the call to FEMA was made. FEMA doesn't give the evacuation order.. and that is absolutely crucial. Nobody lifted a finger or cared to help that city prior to the floods for decades. But when an unpopular president is in office everyone becomes and expert on disaster preparation. Real experience and history takes a back seat to the politically motivated.

And Floridians don't always have homes to go back to. That was a pretty naive statement to make. I was in south Florida when Andrew hit and this is what we had when we returned.
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6567|North Tonawanda, NY

mikkel wrote:

I never saw the point in congregating impoverished people. Where's the motivation and the examples to aspire to if all you see is poverty and violence? I say that low and middle class should have no geographic separation, rather than perpetuating the creation of these factories of ignorance, apathy, violence and social waste.
I see what you are saying, but honestly, I don't want to live next to the people who live in the projects.  They are "classy cats". 

Hell, my parents live in suburbia ... their neighbors are awful.  And they are tame compared to a lot of the low income housing dwellers.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

And Turq: If we left everything to the state in LA, it would go about as well as the state's response to Katrina went. LA is full of incompetent politicians, from the local to the state levels. (I lived there for six years and my parents still do)
I don't doubt that, but that's Louisiana's problem, not mine.
True, the incompetence and corruption is LA's problem. But disaster recovery is FEMA's. Are you saying that each state should be wholly responsible for its own disaster recovery?
Yes.  We can make that more feasible by shrinking the federal government.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I don't doubt that, but that's Louisiana's problem, not mine.
True, the incompetence and corruption is LA's problem. But disaster recovery is FEMA's. Are you saying that each state should be wholly responsible for its own disaster recovery?
Yes.  We can make that more feasible by shrinking the federal government.
And what do we do when it overwhelms the state/local abilities to respond?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6928|Northern California
you learn to respond for yourself.  any fool who does not prepare for disasters as best he can, is that, a fool.  I've got two sets of food, water, and other disaster prep set aside..one for a week, one for a month.  other than that, I'm trained locally to respond in search and rescue, triage, disaster medicine, cribbing, first aid, cpr, aed, radio communications (HAM/FRS/GMRS), and I'm getting my neighbors prepared as much as I can too.  that's all ANYONE can do really since you really can't and shouldn't rely on government (local, regional, state or federal) aid..at all.  Just count on nothing and it'll at least break even with your expectations.  I am expecting the hayward fault to wreak havoc on the bay area possibly making Katrina's disaster pale in comparison. (especially since it was discovered to be connected to the calaveras fault making it even more deadly..such a disaster would be financial ruin for california and some of the country.  And while George Bush is in office, and his unqualified and inept cronies are running most of the responding agencies...it wouldn't matter if they did respond anyway! lol
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


True, the incompetence and corruption is LA's problem. But disaster recovery is FEMA's. Are you saying that each state should be wholly responsible for its own disaster recovery?
Yes.  We can make that more feasible by shrinking the federal government.
And what do we do when it overwhelms the state/local abilities to respond?
Well...  that's a case by case thing.  No pun intended, but I think we should cross that bridge when we come to it.

Whatever the case, I know what you're saying.  I realize quite a few states aren't able to handle emergencies completely on their own.  My feeling is that we should let a few states get burned.  Then, less development will occur in high risk areas.

It makes absolutely no sense to me that we continue to build in areas that periodically get destroyed by natural disasters.  It's a big fucking waste of money that I don't want my tax money used for.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6848|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to me that we continue to build in areas that periodically get destroyed by natural disasters.  It's a big fucking waste of money that I don't want my tax money used for.
No argument there...but again, the states are failing their people by allowing that kind of development to occur.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6842|North Carolina
Agreed... 

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