That doesn't make any sense. I generally believe things that are demonstrably true. I don't see where in my post where I a) point something contentious out as a truth or b) call someone/something full of shit.usmarine2005 wrote:
Funny how you believe our govt when it supports a point you are trying to make, but when it doesn't you say they are full of shit. Meh, whatever you think.CameronPoe wrote:
Didn't GWB let him slip out of the Tora Bora? Or am I dreaming?Stingray24 wrote:
Yes, we all know you love Bubba, serge. He can point his finger and get pissed off all he wants, fact is he's the one that passed on a chance to capture OBL, no one else.
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Hmm.. Sudan wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?sergeriver wrote:
Funny how you criticize Clinton for the same things Bush didn't accomplish.
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What! When? Are you saying that OBL was in Eqypt?usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmm.. Egypt wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?sergeriver wrote:
Funny how you criticize Clinton for the same things Bush didn't accomplish.
Woops... I mean Sudan.NantanCochise wrote:
What! When? Are you saying that OBL was in Eqypt?usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmm.. Egypt wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?sergeriver wrote:
Funny how you criticize Clinton for the same things Bush didn't accomplish.
How much money did Clinton waste trying to get OBL? How much money did Bush waste on the WOT with worse results?usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmm.. Sudan wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?sergeriver wrote:
Funny how you criticize Clinton for the same things Bush didn't accomplish.
Worse? Clintons failure resulted in Saudi Air Force Towers, 2 emabassies in Africa, one US warship, and 9/11. So far, no attacks in the US since. But yep, worse results if you say so.sergeriver wrote:
How much money did Clinton waste trying to get OBL? How much money did Bush waste on the WOT with worse results?usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmm.. Sudan wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?sergeriver wrote:
Funny how you criticize Clinton for the same things Bush didn't accomplish.
Saudi Air Force Towers: Not in USusmarine2005 wrote:
Worse? Clintons failure resulted in Saudi Air Force Towers, 2 emabassies in Africa, one US warship, and 9/11. So far, no attacks in the US since. But yep, worse results if you say so.
African Embassies: Not in US (in Africa funnily enough)
US Warship: Not in US (in Persian Gulf actually)
9/11: Didn't that happen more than a year into G.W.Bush's reign?
Probably the worst and most poorly thought out post from usmarine EVER....
All are considered us property / territory. So hush.CameronPoe wrote:
Saudi Air Force Towers: Not in USusmarine2005 wrote:
Worse? Clintons failure resulted in Saudi Air Force Towers, 2 emabassies in Africa, one US warship, and 9/11. So far, no attacks in the US since. But yep, worse results if you say so.
African Embassies: Not in US (in Africa funnily enough)
US Warship: Not in US (in Persian Gulf actually)
9/11: Didn't that happen more than a year into G.W.Bush's reign?
Probably the worst and most poorly thought out post from usmarine EVER....
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The Persian Gulf and Saudi Arabia are part of the US? Ah, I see. My geography mustn't be so good. Nice sidestep (not).usmarine2005 wrote:
All are considered us property / territory. So hush.CameronPoe wrote:
Saudi Air Force Towers: Not in USusmarine2005 wrote:
Worse? Clintons failure resulted in Saudi Air Force Towers, 2 emabassies in Africa, one US warship, and 9/11. So far, no attacks in the US since. But yep, worse results if you say so.
African Embassies: Not in US (in Africa funnily enough)
US Warship: Not in US (in Persian Gulf actually)
9/11: Didn't that happen more than a year into G.W.Bush's reign?
Probably the worst and most poorly thought out post from usmarine EVER....
A U.S. base, like an embassy is considered our soil, is what he means.
Well I thought Cam would know that. Guess not.ATG wrote:
A U.S. base, like an embassy is considered our soil, is what he means.
The point is they're all in harms way. 3000 deaths occurred on sovereign US homeland soil under Bush's watch. More than a year into his watch AAMOF. Embassies aside, you shouldn't have bases in the likes of Saudi Arabia: it's part of the reason they hate you...
Ya, they had no say whatsoever about it.CameronPoe wrote:
The point is they're all in harms way. 3000 deaths occurred on sovereign US homeland soil under Bush's watch. More than a year into his watch AAMOF. Embassies aside, you shouldn't have bases in the likes of Saudi Arabia: it's part of the reason they hate you...
groan...
Ya I know, you excuse their actions. We know.CameronPoe wrote:
Embassies aside, you shouldn't have bases in the likes of Saudi Arabia: it's part of the reason they hate you...
Ever since the Saudis turned down and embarrassed Osama when he offered his mujahideen to help protect Saudi Arabia from a possible invasion from Iraq before the Gulf War he has hated the monarchy. He also has never liked the US to begin with but he hates us more for supporting the Saudi Government, and meddling in the ME.
Btw http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007 … 341047.htm
You really can't exclude Bill (or even previous presidents before him) from any blame. It is our foreign policy.
Btw http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007 … 341047.htm
You really can't exclude Bill (or even previous presidents before him) from any blame. It is our foreign policy.
Well US embassies are US territory like any Nations embassy, I believe the bases in Saudi were leased to the US and even thought he USS Cole that was bombed in Yemen was not in the US, the ship is technically US territory. But yeah, 9/11 did happen under GWB's reign. Furthermore it has to be said that Bush cancelled an ivestigation committee into Al Queda created by Clinton, leaving all investigation of terririst organizations to the CIA, the rest is history.CameronPoe wrote:
The Persian Gulf and Saudi Arabia are part of the US? Ah, I see. My geography mustn't be so good. Nice sidestep (not).usmarine2005 wrote:
All are considered us property / territory. So hush.CameronPoe wrote:
Saudi Air Force Towers: Not in US
African Embassies: Not in US (in Africa funnily enough)
US Warship: Not in US (in Persian Gulf actually)
9/11: Didn't that happen more than a year into G.W.Bush's reign?
Probably the worst and most poorly thought out post from usmarine EVER....
No. They both share that. That attack started years before.NantanCochise wrote:
But yeah, 9/11 did happen under GWB's reign.
You do realise that most Arabs hate the dictatorships they are ruled by?ATG wrote:
Ya, they had no say whatsoever about it.CameronPoe wrote:
The point is they're all in harms way. 3000 deaths occurred on sovereign US homeland soil under Bush's watch. More than a year into his watch AAMOF. Embassies aside, you shouldn't have bases in the likes of Saudi Arabia: it's part of the reason they hate you...
groan...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_ … ke_in_U.S.usmarine2005 wrote:
No. They both share that. That attack started years before.NantanCochise wrote:
But yeah, 9/11 did happen under GWB's reign.
Absolutely true, was just pointing out the obvious, everyone knows that if Clinton really wanted to get OBL he could have done so back in 98-99.usmarine2005 wrote:
No. They both share that. That attack started years before.NantanCochise wrote:
But yeah, 9/11 did happen under GWB's reign.
...and Isreal, the US, most of the Western World and of course each other. i.e. Lebanese and Syrians, all Gulf states Arabs hate Palestinians and Eqyptians, Syrians and Jordanians, etc, etc.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that most Arabs hate the dictatorships they are ruled by?ATG wrote:
Ya, they had no say whatsoever about it.CameronPoe wrote:
The point is they're all in harms way. 3000 deaths occurred on sovereign US homeland soil under Bush's watch. More than a year into his watch AAMOF. Embassies aside, you shouldn't have bases in the likes of Saudi Arabia: it's part of the reason they hate you...
groan...
Why we in the west should be getting into their cosy network of hatreds is beyond me. Their desire to sell oil to us will never wane. We don't need to conquer them for energy reasons. Domestic security > Inflammatory and Terrorism-Generating Occupations and Bombings.NantanCochise wrote:
...and Isreal, the US, most of the Western World and of course each other. i.e. Lebanese and Syrians, all Gulf states Arabs hate Palestinians and Eqyptians, Syrians and Jordanians, etc, etc.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that most Arabs hate the dictatorships they are ruled by?ATG wrote:
Ya, they had no say whatsoever about it.
groan...
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I agree, well said...CameronPoe wrote:
Why we in the west should be getting into their cosy network of hatreds is beyond me. Their desire to sell oil to us will never wane. We don't need to conquer them for energy reasons. Domestic security > Inflammatory and Terrorism-Generating Occupations and Bombings.NantanCochise wrote:
...and Isreal, the US, most of the Western World and of course each other. i.e. Lebanese and Syrians, all Gulf states Arabs hate Palestinians and Eqyptians, Syrians and Jordanians, etc, etc.CameronPoe wrote:
You do realise that most Arabs hate the dictatorships they are ruled by?
Bush '08
As far as I know the Saudi Towers are in Saudi Arabia, the embassies in Africa (oh, yes they are American soil, lol), the Us Cole was in some Arab country Yemen or Oman, and 9/11 was under Bush administration. You read what Richard Clarke adviced, how the man ignored him, how he asked Clarke to lie about Saddam being involved. If you count all those in foreign soil, count the bombings in London and Madrid, all the American, British, Australian, Canadian, etc, dead in Iraq. Bush did a lot worse spending a lot of your tax money. Wake up.usmarine2005 wrote:
Worse? Clintons failure resulted in Saudi Air Force Towers, 2 emabassies in Africa, one US warship, and 9/11. So far, no attacks in the US since. But yep, worse results if you say so.sergeriver wrote:
How much money did Clinton waste trying to get OBL? How much money did Bush waste on the WOT with worse results?usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmm.. Sudan wanted to hand over OBL to Bush?
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