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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

What a bunch of crackpots... supporting a guy like Ron Paul.. plz while you are in Iraq, don't forget to educate those guys!!
Why do you mods let this neo nazi litter the forums?
Its a strange world when the "neo nazi" is a more peaceful guy than the marine.

Stop bringing that neo nazi garbage here.. i follow the forum's rules. You are the one who should be banned for inciting hatred toward the muslims.

now is the time to discuss.. hey usmarine, who do you support in the 2008 elections?
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

plz while you are in Iraq, don't forget to educate those guys!!
plz? what are you, fucking five years old?

thanks for the words of encouragement. 

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No i'm 33 actually.

Seriously, don't you think that Ron Paul should not be all that bad if most people in the military support him?
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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

What a bunch of crackpots... supporting a guy like Ron Paul.. plz while you are in Iraq, don't forget to educate those guys!!
Why do you mods let this neo nazi litter the forums?
Its a strange world when the "neo nazi" is a more peaceful guy than the marine.

Stop bringing that neo nazi garbage here.. i follow the forum's rules. You are the one who should be banned for inciting hatred toward the muslims.

now is the time to discuss.. hey usmarine, who do you support in the 2008 elections?
Im glad people like you stay in the internet.
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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

plz while you are in Iraq, don't forget to educate those guys!!
plz? what are you, fucking five years old?

thanks for the words of encouragement. 

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No i'm 33 actually.
plz....
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you dont know shit about me, my military or my country.  But Ill tell you one thing, you sure as shit support the neo-nazi candidate.   Ron Paul has garnered the most support from people like you.   People like you who would be too afraid to spew your beliefs to me in person.  Youre the kind of guy that gets intimidated by minorities but has a good amount of electronic bravery.


you gonna text me another reply?

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AutralianChainsaw
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

you dont know shit about me, my military or my country.  But Ill tell you one thing, you sure as shit support the neo-nazi candidate.   Ron Paul has garnered the most support from people like you.   People like you who would be too afraid to spew your beliefs to me in person.  Youre the kind of guy that gets intimidated by minorities but has a good amount of electronic bravery.
Intimidated by minorities?

I'm not the one who's scared to death by some islamonuts on the other side of the planet. I don't feel the need to go over there and bomb them just to be sure that they will not take over the world.

Ok some dumbass at stormfront decided to support Ron Paul and you now associate him with them? You seriously beleive that the old dr Paul is a nazi?  CMON!!

You falling to the level of Usmarine now ..  i'm done with this thread, you all goin to get me banned with your neo nazi nonsense

edit: GO RON PAUL

edit#2:  IF RON PAUL IF ELECTED, LIKE IT OR NOT I'M MOVING TO AMERICA!!!

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GunSlinger OIF II
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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

you dont know shit about me, my military or my country.  But Ill tell you one thing, you sure as shit support the neo-nazi candidate.   Ron Paul has garnered the most support from people like you.   People like you who would be too afraid to spew your beliefs to me in person.  Youre the kind of guy that gets intimidated by minorities but has a good amount of electronic bravery.
Intimidated by minorities?

I'm not the one who's scared to death by some islamonuts on the other side of the planet. I don't feel the need to go over there and bomb them just to be sure that they will not take over the world.

Ok some dumbass at stormfront decided to support Ron Paul and you now associate him with them? You seriously beleive that the old dr Paul is a nazi?  CMON!!

You falling to the level of Usmarine now ..  i'm done with this thread, you all goin to get me banned with your neo nazi nonsense
ta ta you nazi fuck


EDIT: STAY IN CANADA

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Hurricane
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Damn this is getting good.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Hurricane wrote:

Damn this is getting good.
just make sure you vote for the right candidate when you get older and not some internet fad.
Hurricane
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In regards to Ron Paul's views on evolution, I think this comment I saw on digg sums it up pretty well why I'd rather have someone who accepts the theory of evolution.

What I think is funny is how people consistently tie scientific understanding to atheism. Being an atheist has zero to do with evolution. Evolution has zero to do with a complete understanding of our existence. Evolution is a well supported theory of the development of every species on this planet. That is it.

My personal concern over the fact that the candidates do not accept evolution has much more to do with how they will treat scientific funding once in office. It makes me sick to think of all the time that has been lost due to lack of funding and how this trend will continue until we, as a society, understand the importance of scientific research.

If you or anyone else does not accept evolution as a theory of species development, then you should be concerned too. Getting a candidate in office that will provide the necessary tools to explore other theories can only benefit your cause. As it stands, evolution is the only acceptable theory available.
The thing I like about Ron Paul is that, even though his views ARE extreme, that sort of stance might be the right push for politics. Instead of the dems constantly being wishy-washy like our Congress and the republicans being like old Bush and Giuliani.

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GunSlinger OIF II
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Ron Paul wants to cut abolish most of the federal government. Department of Education.  IRS.  Dont even think about putting money into science.  He is against the federal government spending any kind of tax payer money thats not on the bare minimums as he sees it through his constitutional interpretation.  Student Loans for college?  nope.   Government money going to schools?  no.  needed social services that so many people depend on to survive?  not with ron paul, he is going to go with "the rich will be charitable" approach.
Hurricane
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Hmm. All the brouhaha I hear for and against Ron Paul makes my head spin Barack keeps sounding like a stronger candidate. I was browsing his "Issues" page on his site and some of the stuff seems good, in particular his foreign policy. He sounds like he wants to maintain the security we have now while at the same time (if it makes any sense) not meddle in more shit than we need to.

I guess it's a good thing I can't vote yet, I'd have no idea who to vote for lol.
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Ron Paul wants to cut abolish most of the federal government. Department of Education.  IRS.  Dont even think about putting money into science.  He is against the federal government spending any kind of tax payer money thats not on the bare minimums as he sees it through his constitutional interpretation.  Student Loans for college?  nope.   Government money going to schools?  no.  needed social services that so many people depend on to survive?  not with ron paul, he is going to go with "the rich will be charitable" approach.
Good points...  While I still lean in the smaller government direction, I have to agree that a certain amount of government structure is necessary well beyond what Paul supports.
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Kmarion wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Inflation is good for wall street, which is at 13% according to M3. BTW, .
I hope that's a joke.
http://www.forecasts.org/inflation.htm

Currently 4.31
The last source you posted also tells a different story. If anything they support what I was saying (in so far as to saying inflation is possibly at 17.2%) and contrary to what you were saying. The last thing the Fed wants you to know is that inflation is getting out of hand, and this is why M3 isn't being published or tracked (supposedly). Ben Bernanke wouldn't quote it, nor would he want you too either, as it destroys his credibility.

Inflation makes commodities very attractive. This is why the stock market looks so good. In 2005 commodities shot up, and they will continue to rise. However, this does not mean the economy is doing good.

The latest reporting from M3 says inflation is almost 16% (and also shows negative GDP growth from other sources). The Fed says it is "too costly" to keep track of M3, but since when has the Fed been worried about costs? It is obvious M3 shows that inflation is getting out of control because of Ben Bernanke's reckless money printing. He has been a disaster.

Oh yea, and excess money supply is not only something plaguing the US. Paul Van EeDen goes into detail about M3 reporting rapidly increasing inflation throughout world currencies. He also says in that article inflation in the US is 10%, but the last time I watched him he said 13% and I feel he has a better way of accurately finding real inflation. In case you didn't know, the ECB printed about 350 billion euros (audio) a few weeks ago to combat the derivatives crisis, just out of thin air (beat that Criss Angle lol). Central banks will screw everyone over, and I'll be one happy penguin when the Fed is gone.

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Phrozenbot wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

I just don't want a candidate who will run the bills higher. Are we in a recession? I think so. Does the Fed think so? No. I think everyone else will just make it worst.
Have we had two consecutive quarters of negative growth? No.

kthxbye
The housing, financial, and auto-mobile sectors are in pretty bad shape, not to mention there is a credit revoltion going on and a derivatives crisis rippling through the global market. Inflation is good for wall street, which is at 13% according to M3. BTW, recessions are not necessarily bad, but I see worse things ahead.
I was just going off the definition of recession. According to the definition of the term, we aren't in a recession.
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FEOS wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Have we had two consecutive quarters of negative growth? No.

kthxbye
The housing, financial, and auto-mobile sectors are in pretty bad shape, not to mention there is a credit revoltion going on and a derivatives crisis rippling through the global market. Inflation is good for wall street, which is at 13% according to M3. BTW, recessions are not necessarily bad, but I see worse things ahead.
I was just going off the definition of recession. According to the definition of the term, we aren't in a recession.
I know what the definition of a recession is. Apparently you didn't see my point. High inflation (artificially high mind you) is what is causing the stocks to look like their is growth, (what you are basing positive or negative growth entirely on), but you don't have to look no further than at a lot of major sectors that are between a rock and a hard place to see we are in a recession, or heading for one. Major sectors in the economy are in some tough shape, and the only real major positive growth (according to our beloved Fed) is exports, which can't possibly be picking up the slack. 70% of the American GDP is based on consumer purchasing. I don't buy it for a second.

Therefore I believe their is negative growth, meaning their is a recession IMO. Not that it is bad. Corrections are healthy for the market, but I see a lot of negative trends that could lead to something a lot more serious down the road.
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yep. phrozen won the thread.
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Marinejuana wrote:

yep. phrozen won the thread.
this one is for you

http://www.davidduke.com/general/clear- … _2126.html
Mason4Assassin444
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Ron Paul for Prez. I'm tired of the same old shit.
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

yep. phrozen won the thread.
this one is for you

http://www.davidduke.com/general/clear- … _2126.html
lol

GS wins the thread
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

yep. phrozen won the thread.
this one is for you

http://www.davidduke.com/general/clear- … _2126.html
R-bot are entertaining. They claimed Glenn Beck was purposely ignoring the savior. Even though Glenn Beck offered Ron Paul a chance to speak numerous times (R Paul kept bailing on Glenn). Glenn dedicated an entire hour to Ron Paul, and RP admittedly said he was very happy with the interview.

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8417135044213597647&q=ron+paul+glenn+beck&total=386&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2[/google]
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Turquoise
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Just a side note here, but when it comes to economic growth, there are many factors to consider.  For example, a period of high capital gains (like now) doesn't necessarily mean higher employment or higher job growth.  Because of the complexity of our economy, it is often difficult to gauge what kind of growth is most beneficial for our economic future at any given point.

Another complexity is how employment is measured.  There is a lot of underemployment in America.  In other words, a lot of people are only working part time or are working multiple jobs at part time status (which means they receive fewer employment benefits like company-provided health insurance).  Because of the highly privatized nature of healthcare in America, there is a lot of room for inequalities in coverage and affordability.

So, while Paul's support for moving away from central banking may benefit the public in certain ways, his support for privatization across the board leaves us with many longstanding issues like the healthcare debacle we currently have here.
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Turquoise wrote:

Just a side note here, but when it comes to economic growth, there are many factors to consider.  For example, a period of high capital gains (like now) doesn't necessarily mean higher employment or higher job growth.  Because of the complexity of our economy, it is often difficult to gauge what kind of growth is most beneficial for our economic future at any given point.

Another complexity is how employment is measured.  There is a lot of underemployment in America.  In other words, a lot of people are only working part time or are working multiple jobs at part time status (which means they receive fewer employment benefits like company-provided health insurance).  Because of the highly privatized nature of healthcare in America, there is a lot of room for inequalities in coverage and affordability.

So, while Paul's support for moving away from central banking may benefit the public in certain ways, his support for privatization across the board leaves us with many longstanding issues like the healthcare debacle we currently have here.
You can't go on importing more than you export forever, as capitol is exported.

I don't think you can entirely blame privatization for the health care problem. The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit subsidizes pharmaceutical companies, yet did it work to reduce health care cost? Estimates say $700 billion over ten years is what this benefit will cost, possibly even a trillion. I don't think these big pharmaceutical companies would have such a monopoly on things if it wasn't for the gov.

Kmarion wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

yep. phrozen won the thread.
this one is for you

http://www.davidduke.com/general/clear- … _2126.html
R-bot are entertaining. They claimed Glenn Beck was purposely ignoring the savior. Even though Glenn Beck offered Ron Paul a chance to speak numerous times (R Paul kept bailing on Glenn). Glenn dedicated an entire hour to Ron Paul, and RP admittedly said he was very happy with the interview.
Indeed.

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Turquoise wrote:

Simple answer: because Mike Gravel accomplishes all that while still believing in evolution.
With all due respect, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MOTHERFUCKING MIND?!  Stating Gravel's positions differ from Ron Paul's only in that Gravel favors evolution more than Paul is an indication of either gross ignorance or blatant misinformation.  Gravel desires to change the nation from a constitutional republic to a direct democracy.  Paul does not at all favor such a radical restructuring of our system of government.  Gravel favors public financing of political campaigns, while Paul detests such restrictions of the people's first amendment right to free speech.  Gravel wants to institute a "universal" health insurance scheme, while Paul wouldn't touch that largest expansion of federal spending and control with a ten-mile pole.  Gravel wants to greatly expand federal meddling in local education, both in regulations and spending, while Paul recognizes the fact that local municipalities are better-able to deal with their own individual needs than a one-size-fits-all federal bureaucracy.  Gravel favors a "living wage" law, while Paul realizes basic laws of economics and the freedom of people to demand the wages they want to work for.

Christ, I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.  At least, I hope to hell you get the point.  I don't know how much money all his proposals would end up costing, but I know that in every example I cited there was more spending involved and liberties lost.  If you think Gravel and Paul are the same thing with the exception of one issue, you're 100% wrong.

Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe, but I can guarantee you that I will never vote for someone who considers creationism and evolution equally viable, because that demonstrates a serious flaw in their logic.  One theory is based on logical, scientific evidence, whereas another is based on religious conjecture.  The two are simply not even comparable in validity, because creationism is not even remotely logical -- UNLESS you're talking about creationism in the context of "God made the Earth over millions of years."
You know, I'm going to agree with you here.  However, there's no reason to vote against Paul for that one logical flaw, especially when that one belief will have no effect on you.  You never discussed that part of my question -- I'd still like to know how his belief in that area has even the slightest effect on your wallet or your liberties.

What Paul is defending is young-Earth creationism, which is completely utter bullshit.
I never saw him say that.

I'd rather vote for Gravel, because he's like a more realistic version of Paul.
Just like antifreeze is a "better tasting version" of orange juice.

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